Game 6 started. e4 again!
Chess World Championship: Anand vs. Carlsen
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Anand never got the initiative he needed. Playing without a plan it seems.
wtf was that from Anand
Does Magnus Carlsen make mistakes?
Very rarely. In the candidates tournament this year, Carlsen lost two of the last three games, and he almost lost chance to challenge Anand for the title.
Some called it a "mental collapse" or "cracking under pressure", and it's the glimmer of hope we have now hoping for an interesting match.
Towards the end of the game, he seems ruthless.
Having said that, a question, why does the evaluation line change, even after a series of optimal moves as determined by the computer?
If the probability of winning is X at move N and after consecutive M optimal moves, the probability should remain the same after move N + M, no?
It seems to keep changing. I understand that it's not a probability, having seen it show >1 in yesterday's game, but don't understand why it fluctuates.
Hmm. It seems to be a function of number of pieces and the position of the pieces. Not of how optimal the movie.
I think Carlsen will win this again! Big mistake from Anand it seems.
Houdini computer now has Ananad at 1%, Remis at 1% and Carlsen at 98%.
The computer evaluation is not very accurate, it's just a rough estimation. If you make another move, the computer will analyse this line in more depth, and the evaluation could be affected because it now sees "new" things in the new depth, which could affect the evaluation a bit..
But generally small values don't matter, so if a player has an advantage of (0.4) for example, then that's basically not much. Advantages over 1 though does mean that the player has a significant advantage. 2 or more is usually winning.
Also, an optimal move doesn't necessarily mean it was the move the computer suggested in its analysis, which means there might be a small difference, but since the difference is not much, the computer still considers it an optimal move.
Carlsen is winning this one again.. Unbelievable.
And Carlsen wins again!
4-2. Match over.
4-2. Match over.
I feel bad for Anand. 
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They asked him about Sachin, wtf? Ridiculous.
Just woke up and saw the result.. I'm not even going to see the game.
Don't. It's pretty much the same story. Anand attacks, sacrifices a pawn, rook and pawn ending, objectively drawn position, Carlsen wins.
I feel bad for Anand.
The sad thing is that the better play is winning. Simple as. Anand's time is up. How will he be remembered? Probably as the best players after Kasparov and before Carlsen.. Can't be too bad.
feck
This is going to be fun now. Anand will have to attack, much more than he even did today.
We are 6 games into 12.. If he loses another, he will draw the rest rather than face a big loss.
Perhaps a couple of silly questions here:
If Carlsen wins this tournament, and also has the nr. 1 ranking, how would this put him compared ot other all time greats? I realize that his lack of tenure might mean that it's way too early to draw comparisons to Kasparov, Fischer etc?
Second, why has Carlsen not been in this position before? It was my impression that he's been world nr. 1 for two or three years, yet why is this the first time he is able to World Champion?
If Carlsen wins this tournament, and also has the nr. 1 ranking, how would this put him compared ot other all time greats? I realize that his lack of tenure might mean that it's way too early to draw comparisons to Kasparov, Fischer etc?
Second, why has Carlsen not been in this position before? It was my impression that he's been world nr. 1 for two or three years, yet why is this the first time he is able to World Champion?
Thanks.
Was Ra4 such a bad movie, as the evaluation line suggests?
Seems to me that even before that move, the advanced pawn in the f column already had won it for Carlsen.
Was not evident to me at that point, but retrospectively.
Even if Anand had moved b4 instead of Ra4, I can see only the same result happening.
He didn't take part in the previous candidates cycle (that decides the challenger). Carlsen will always suffer in comparisms to Kasparov and Fischer because of his style - he is a grinder. Using ELO points, he is already better than they ever were - but he needs to do it for a period to be considered better than them. Chess players will continuously get better over time - so somebodoy better than him will come along as well. However, if he continues at the present rate and dominates for 10-15 years (like Kasparov) he will be like the all time greats. It's much harder to compare him to older greats like Alekhine, or my favorites - Capablanca or Tal
Thansk, NM. Why hasn't he been in the previous cycles though?
He believes the champion has an undue advantage because the challenger has to win a tourney etc. to play him, while the champion just waits and plays the match. It will be interesting if his view changes now that he is champ. To a certain extent, it is true. Anand has focused exclusively on match play since he has been champion. I'm hoping that he now changes track and wins a few tourneys again. He will also be part of the next candidates tourney to face Carlsen.
Ok, thanks for the info.
White has the idea of checking from the back ranks to force the black king to block the f pawn, which buys an advanced b pawn time to get dangerous. A sort of baseline variation: 60. b4 h3 61. gxh3 Rg6 62. Rc7 f3 Re7+ Kf2 64. b5 Rg2+ 65. Kh1 Rg1+ 66. Kh2 Re1 (to free the king). After the rooks are exchanged, the b pawn queens immediately after the f pawn and it's a draw. Various (and fruitless) attempts by black to get around this problem are outlined in the analysis here. I like the variation where black tries to prevent b5 with Rg5 (instead of 61. ... Rg6 above), which ends up with three white pawns drawing against the black rook. Both players said they thought white was lost before move 60, so maybe they calculated something similar and thought the rook would win.
Game 7 now started, let's hope Anand can bounce back to make this match interesting.
Looks like there won't be much fireworks in this one..
Would love of course if Anand made it more exciting, with a win, but I just can't see it.
what's the name of the girl at the press conf last time around?
the one who was sat beside Carlsen..
the one who was sat beside Carlsen..
Any text link To follow this? In class so cant stream.
How has the game gone so far?
How has the game gone so far?
Oh. Thanks.
This is over.
What annoys me is that Anand lost two objectively drawn positions. Carlsen didn't even have to play brilliantly. Oh well - hopefully Vishy focuses on tourney play now.
Yep, had it been due to carlsen's brilliance, it wouldnt have hurt as much. He lost games from a drawing position due to errors from what i gathered. Surprising from him.
Disappointing opening from Anand. He had the chance to play the sicillian and go for it. He opted for the Berlin instead, sadly, and it looks like he's given up already, and just wants to do some damage control in the remaining games.
I hope Anand is not going to lose some fans as well as the match when it's over!
Come on Vishy! You don't have to win, just show the spirit of a champion!
Very disappointed in the game today. Silly draw after 33 moves.
Come on Vishy! You don't have to win, just show the spirit of a champion!
Very disappointed in the game today. Silly draw after 33 moves.