Chess World Championship: Anand vs. Carlsen
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No he didn't try to go for a win really today.. It was a very boring and short game.
But he did say (/promise) in the press conference afterwards that he'll go for it in the next game. Obviously most people were pissed after the game, mainly at him because he is the one who needs to go for it and make it exciting.
Awfully boring match today.
He will try with white. it is his last chance. if it goes to 3-0, he will simply draw the last game and end the tourney though
Game 9 has started.. The match is over imo, but let's hope for an exciting game today..
And good news, looks like Anand is going for it.. After 10 moves, there is only one pawn for white (Anand) still sitting on the second rank!
And good news, looks like Anand is going for it.. After 10 moves, there is only one pawn for white (Anand) still sitting on the second rank!
One of the more interesting games this. Both have spent a huge amount of time thinking about one move.
Highly dramatic! Anand makes a mistake, realises it and gives up. Another victory for Carlsen.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! Bf1 NOT Nf1!
Feck feck feck...
What a game, and what a shame it ended this way! Bf1 and we still have an incredible game at our hands!
Match pretty much officially over now.
However, well done Anand.. He went for it, and gave us a great game today!!
You will always be remembered as one of the best..... But I think now it's Carlsen's era...
And well done you too fecking bast***d of a grinder!
Feck feck feck...
What a game, and what a shame it ended this way! Bf1 and we still have an incredible game at our hands!
Match pretty much officially over now.
However, well done Anand.. He went for it, and gave us a great game today!!
You will always be remembered as one of the best..... But I think now it's Carlsen's era...
And well done you too fecking bast***d of a grinder!
wtf?
Why did he do Nf1? That was like so obvious.
Why did he do Nf1? That was like so obvious.
Time pressure, age, stress, ... It happens. They're still humans.
All I can say is he gave it his all, and that's all we wanted form him..
I quit watching and will not see this game either. Pains me to see a personal hero of mine suffer and fail. I guess tis is the most likely outcome when there is the difference of 100 ELO between match players though.
Do watch today's game though. You will feel bad at the end though because had Anand played Bf1 instead of Nf1 (which was an obvious mistake) the game would have been an instant classic. It was a classic actually until that moment, all it needed was the proper finish.. Was very entertaining nonetheless.
Oh and Anand will always be a hero. He has owned the world championship for 8 years winning it (or defending it) five times.. Nobody is going to take that away from him.. He wasn't even beaten when he was at the top of his game, so even though it's always sad to see a hero fall, at 43/44, against a player being compared to the greatest of all time already at 22, this can hardly be called a failure..
So this mistake... I'm curious, was it that bad / are you guys that good at chess that it was obvious to you what the right move was and that he was making a mistake? Or was it only with the benefit of commentary that you realised?
No honestly that was pretty easy to spot, even for us.. Was such a simple mistake. White's whole plan relied on Rh4. So the objective is simple, let black has his queen and let him move, just don't give him the chance to guard the h4 square with his queen. With the knight on its original square (before moving it) it was blocking the queen's access to h4 through moving to e1. After the knight moved, Qe1 meant that black's (second) queen guards the h4 square, no mate for white, game over.
I got lost quite early in that... I'm shit at chess - I know how to play, but not how to play!
But it amazes me that somebody at that level can make a mistake so obvious. Is it something you would expect to occasionally see, or is it fairly unprecedented?
But it amazes me that somebody at that level can make a mistake so obvious. Is it something you would expect to occasionally see, or is it fairly unprecedented?
It's not unprecedented, but quite rare.. Ivanchuck (one of the best players in the world) missed a mate in 1, in a game against Anand (ironically)..
(The fun part (not for Ivanchuck) at 7:30)
Kasparov (regarded by many as one of the greatest ever to play the game, if not the greatest) also made a big blunder (also against Anand!), and threw away a winning position..
(@ 5:00)
Anand was under a bit of time pressure in this game, he was also stressed because of the scoreline of the match, and he's 43/44 (the older you get, the more likely you might have mental lapses during the game), so even though you wouldn't expect him to make such a mistake, it was still understandable..
Still can't do it. I know he will be regarded as a great, but this still sucks. He didn't lose a single fecking game to amazing play by Carlsen. He lost them due to blunders. I could have taken it if Carlsen had played brilliant, but not this. Still Carlsen desrves it - by far the best around right now.
Totally agree..
Game 10 already started.. The scoreline definitely made the game less intense and exciting (regardless the position), but I'm still enjoying the commentary a bit...
Tweet: Is Carlsen the Justin Bieber of chess?
Trent: No, Carlsen has talent.
Tweet: Is Carlsen the Justin Bieber of chess?
Trent: No, Carlsen has talent.
Well done both for an exciting last game.. They played it out to the bitter end, and eventually Anand finished the match a knight up!
Carlsen though will be the new world champion (because of those 3 wins)..
Match finished 6.5-3.5..
Carlsen though will be the new world champion (because of those 3 wins)..
Match finished 6.5-3.5..
It's over. Interesting to see where Anand goes after this. I can't seem him getting through the candidates or beating Carlsen if he does. Wonder if he will try for a few tournaments.
Yeah, well
Good game.
Congratulations streford_oslo. Was nothing short of deserved.
It's officially the Carlsen era now...
He will play a few tournaments probably, but I don't expect a re-match.. Anand is just a bit too old for me now, and it's getting cruel there at the top..
By the way, the London Chess Classic is only two weeks away, and nearly all the big boys are taking part (except the world champion!).. Will be very interesting for most people probably because it's a rapid tournament.
is anand there? I think him and nakamura are the best rapid players in the world.
Yes, Anand is there.
Here are the players taking part...
http://www.londonchessclassic.com/classic.players.htm
Just noticed, Aronian isn't there as well.. But there are three more names to be announced later.
http://www.londonchessclassic.com/classic.players.htm
Just noticed, Aronian isn't there as well.. But there are three more names to be announced later.
Where can I follow that?
Will this be renamed into a Chess discussion thread?
This was my first time following chess. Enjoyed it.
Will this be renamed into a Chess discussion thread?
This was my first time following chess. Enjoyed it.
Congrats to Carlsen; he played consistently well during most of the games. Anand could have made the match significantly more interesting if he had avoided making the serious blunder in game 9 that led to the decisive swing in fortunes. Perhaps if he had applied equally aggressive attacks during earlier games the general nature of the match might have also been drastically different. Overall, it was a slightly disappointing affair due to the notable absence of a sustained degree of competitiveness, and lack of variation/novelty in many of the games played.
Disappointing turn of events. I expected more of a close match. But I guess its a beginning of a new era if Carlsen builds on this. Congrats to him.
I'll post a link when it starts..
Here is the official site of the competition..
http://www.londonchessclassic.com/index.htm
The tournament is about to start in about 45 minutes. You can see it live on the link in my post above, it's showing the opening ceremony right now...
thanks danny
Thanks. Been meaning To track this a little better. My boy Adams made a good start. I've "played" him a few times.
It was a rather disappointing championship. Heard Anand had settled back in Chennai and was preparing for nearly 8 months. but shocked to notice he added an extra tire of fat over his lower abdomen
As for the Noggie kid, he's really some player...
He's in the mould of Petrosian, Lasker and Karpov ...with their boa constrictor approach and wide range of mastery over openings, the only way to gull them should be strong opening preparations combined with high energy levels.
In retrospect, if we look back at the clash of classical styles
Petrosian proved too much for an ageing and an aggressive Botvinik.
A young Karpov would've buried Fischer had there been a championship.
Now Carlsen has did the same on Anand.
Kasparov beat Karpov based on strong opening theories not going beyond Caro Kann, Ruy Lopez and Kings Indian defence and high energy levels breaking the ice with a slight advantage around of 30-35 move. If it goes beyond that range , it was certainly advantage Karpov.
Anand should have tried the same tactic, infact in the second and third game, he should have been more aggressive on the queenside.
As for the Noggie kid, he's really some player...
He's in the mould of Petrosian, Lasker and Karpov ...with their boa constrictor approach and wide range of mastery over openings, the only way to gull them should be strong opening preparations combined with high energy levels.
In retrospect, if we look back at the clash of classical styles
Petrosian proved too much for an ageing and an aggressive Botvinik.
A young Karpov would've buried Fischer had there been a championship.
Now Carlsen has did the same on Anand.
Kasparov beat Karpov based on strong opening theories not going beyond Caro Kann, Ruy Lopez and Kings Indian defence and high energy levels breaking the ice with a slight advantage around of 30-35 move. If it goes beyond that range , it was certainly advantage Karpov.
Anand should have tried the same tactic, infact in the second and third game, he should have been more aggressive on the queenside.
I followed it teeing up with an old friend currently a GM, and working as a commentator and agreed on few things.
Back in the 90's The likes of Gelfand, Kramnik, Ivanchuk, Anand, Kamsky, Topolav etal were all good enough to take the game to a level above the Kasparov-Karpov domination. All of them have withered out for reasons other than talent and Anand was the last on the list who has fallen short.
It was Karpov who tormented them until '96 whilst Kasparov took them all out of cleaners until he retired and only Kramnik showed some salt in taking it up with him. For Anand his lack of physical activity and mental block did it in.
Carlsen has no peers, like Alekhine he would leave a long lasting legacy alone at the top, achieved rather easily compared to Kasparov.
Back in the 90's The likes of Gelfand, Kramnik, Ivanchuk, Anand, Kamsky, Topolav etal were all good enough to take the game to a level above the Kasparov-Karpov domination. All of them have withered out for reasons other than talent and Anand was the last on the list who has fallen short.
It was Karpov who tormented them until '96 whilst Kasparov took them all out of cleaners until he retired and only Kramnik showed some salt in taking it up with him. For Anand his lack of physical activity and mental block did it in.
Carlsen has no peers, like Alekhine he would leave a long lasting legacy alone at the top, achieved rather easily compared to Kasparov.
I disagree with you on a couple things..
I don't think Karpov would have buried Fischer. Fischer wasn't one of those who merely benefited from his opponents being too weak to exploit the weaknesses in his aggressiveness, like Tal for example (as some might suggest). Fischer's play was pretty sound, and he demonstrated it against all kind of players he faced in his generation (he didn't only beat them, he crushed them).
Karpov on the other hand, even though he was a great player (one of the greatest probably), he still came up short against an opponent like Fischer (aggressive, tactical ...etc.) in Kasparov, twice.. I agree that home preparation played an important role in the match (especially the one they played in 1990), but it was actually Karpov's imperfect preparation more than Kasparov's extensive preparation that had a big influence on the match (or at least the crucial games of the match).
Also, I don't think Carlsen beat Anand because of his style of play.. He's just younger and stronger. Anand at 44 is no longer Anand in 2000.. It doesn't matter how much he prepares, he's still 44. On the other hand Carlsen is young, motivated, and I heard he's pretty strong too. I don't think it mattered really if Carlsen was good in the middle game, in the endgame, if he was good at tactics or strategy, if he was an aggressive player, or a positional player, I think he would have beaten Anand anyway, no matter what his style is..
I don't think Karpov would have buried Fischer. Fischer wasn't one of those who merely benefited from his opponents being too weak to exploit the weaknesses in his aggressiveness, like Tal for example (as some might suggest). Fischer's play was pretty sound, and he demonstrated it against all kind of players he faced in his generation (he didn't only beat them, he crushed them).
Karpov on the other hand, even though he was a great player (one of the greatest probably), he still came up short against an opponent like Fischer (aggressive, tactical ...etc.) in Kasparov, twice.. I agree that home preparation played an important role in the match (especially the one they played in 1990), but it was actually Karpov's imperfect preparation more than Kasparov's extensive preparation that had a big influence on the match (or at least the crucial games of the match).
Also, I don't think Carlsen beat Anand because of his style of play.. He's just younger and stronger. Anand at 44 is no longer Anand in 2000.. It doesn't matter how much he prepares, he's still 44. On the other hand Carlsen is young, motivated, and I heard he's pretty strong too. I don't think it mattered really if Carlsen was good in the middle game, in the endgame, if he was good at tactics or strategy, if he was an aggressive player, or a positional player, I think he would have beaten Anand anyway, no matter what his style is..