Chelsea banned from signing players

Will this be included in the new version of FM or CM???

Anyways, yes we have pissed off certain clubs before too. Though I don't think we encouraged the players to break their contracts, rather just offer better terms before the young players sign a proffesional contract.
 
Team Brian GB said:
For instance, here is a story from a few weeks ago of a club accusing you of attempting to get a youth player out of contract by giving his parents money.

BBC SPORT | Football | My Club | M | Man Utd | Man Utd deny 'stealing' youngster
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There was a difference with this, and is very similar to the Macheda deal. The player didn't want to move as he would be away from his parents at a very young age, so we offer the parents jobs and housing in the hope that that will help the parents and player come to a decision to move to Man United. We're not just paying off parents so we can steal children like Madonna.
 
McLovin said:
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A siege mentality will see Chelsea fair for this season, 10/11 will likely be quite another matter.

What is it with footballing governing bodies and giving out unprecedented sentences to the English at the minute? Not that the guilty shouldn't be punished but you know.
 
Xander45 said:
There was a difference with this, and is very similar to the Macheda deal. The player didn't want to move as he would be away from his parents at a very young age, so we offer the parents jobs and housing in the hope that that will help the parents and player come to a decision to move to Man United. We're not just paying off parents so we can steal children like Madonna.
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Of course it is very different, but the point I'm making is that allegations and suspicions of dodgy transfer dealings are very, very, prevalent- and it is us and us alone who have been hit with such a huge penalty.
 
Heh great stuff. Will be hilarious if the injuries begin to pile up on the old legs. They'll be drafting in the youth team before you know it.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
A siege mentality will see Chelsea fair for this season, 10/11 will likely be quite another matter.

What is it with footballing governing bodies and giving out unprecedented sentences to the English at the minute? Not that the guilty shouldn't be punished but you know.
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True that, is this that fecking twat Platini again?
 
Team Brian GB said:
Of course it is very different, but the point I'm making is that allegations and suspicions of dodgy transfer dealings are very, very, prevalent- and it is us and us alone who have been hit with such a huge penalty.
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Because you coerced a player into breaching his contract so the club would have to sell him.

We were just guilty of the much lesser crime of tapping up. :angel:
 
Daft really, but it's a bit difficult to sympathise with anything bad that happens to that lot.
 
Team Brian GB said:
Of course it is very different, but the point I'm making is that allegations and suspicions of dodgy transfer dealings are very, very, prevalent- and it is us and us alone who have been hit with such a huge penalty.
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Yeah i agree entirely. There have been so many questionable transfers by many clubs. The only thing is this one seems to have been running for a while, so Chelsea must have known about it for a long time and didn't try to rectify it.

I fully expect an appeal and it to be reduced to only January, although Chelsea do need to be more careful and the Ashley Cole thing is still over their heads and with the Drogba and Bosingwa comments they aren't exactly FIFA's favourites at the moment.
 
Team Brian GB said:
Of course it is very different, but the point I'm making is that allegations and suspicions of dodgy transfer dealings are very, very, prevalent- and it is us and us alone who have been hit with such a huge penalty.
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To be fair (and I'm not suggesting a 2 year transfer ban is fair) that's because Kakuta's club took you to the DRC. If Le Havre do the same to us we could face similar issues.

Also someone said the Pogba signing was like Macheda, Petrucci et al's signings - but it wasn't. In their cases the clubs couldn't offer them a contract until they were 17, we came in and signed them while they were free agents and offered their parents jobs/houses/money to move over as well.

In Pogba's case Le Havre are claiming the player broke a contract to stay until summer 2010 to join us because we offered financial inducements - which is basically what Chelsea have just been sanctioned for - so I wouldn't be feeling too smug if I were you
 
SecondFig said:
I think that can might have more than a few Man Utd worms in it, we're not exactly whiter than white ourselves...
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getting a player to break a contract with another club is nothing like signing one who doesnt have a contract with a club
 
This is the last thing we needed, chelski could win everything this year now.
 
20solskjaer said:
getting a player to break a contract with another club is nothing like signing one who doesnt have a contract with a club
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Like Pogba? I didn't say we'd get into trouble for signing Macheda or any of those players. But we've annoyed a fair few clubs in our signings and I would be frankly amazed if we've behaved perfectly every time. Pogba's case being the obvious one as his club are claiming that the player and his parent's broke a contract to join us, after we offered them a financial package, which, whaddya know, sounds rather like that Chelsea/Kakuta case
 
spinoza said:
Haven't Chelsea made a lot of academy signings this summer? Did they have an inkling this might happen?
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A few but we have done over the past couple of seasons, but sending a lot of our fringe young players to good sides, two to FC Twente, and three in the premier league did catch my notice. Saying that an indication that Chelsea knew this was coming would have been been making overbloated offers for Pato, Aguero, Ribery in the public domain.
 
marchi-91 said:
If this is the case, I want those cnuts at Madrid to receive the same fecking penalty as well.

fecking hypocrisy at the highest level and this is coming from a Chelsea hater!
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Have Real madrid induced a player to break his contract? No. They've paid fair fees for players and even if it is tapping up, they haven't encouraged anyone to break their contracts. There was apparently a suspended sentence hanging over from the Cole saga too. Stop crying "CONSPIRACY" until you know the ins and outs, FIFA won't impose such harsh penalties without a hell of a lot of evidence as they know the legal backing Chelsea have.
 
Regarding Pogba, isn't there a lower league French club who've been complaining about Le Havre stealing Pogba from them two years ago? Le Havre signing him in much the same way we signed him from Le Havre?
 
I am wondering how the £680,000 fine Kakuta has been given has been calculated, that seems an odd figure to me.
 
Devil_forever said:
Have Real madrid induced a player to break his contract? No. They've paid fair fees for players and even if it is tapping up, they haven't encouraged anyone to break their contracts. There was apparently a suspended sentence hanging over from the Cole saga too. Stop crying "CONSPIRACY" until you know the ins and outs, FIFA won't impose such harsh penalties without a hell of a lot of evidence as they know the legal backing Chelsea have.
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They've tapped up players like no other club has in the past.
 
UBERScholes said:
Regarding Pogba, isn't there a lower league French club who've been complaining about Le Havre stealing Pogba from them two years ago? Le Havre signing him in much the same way we signed him from Le Havre?
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Really? I hadn't heard that, but it adds a nice element of irony to the whole affair. Oh well, us and Le Havre to get banned next then
 
Team Brian GB said:
I am wondering how the £680,000 fine Kakuta has been given has been calculated, that seems an odd figure to me.
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From the Uefa Regs

In all cases, the party in breach shall pay compensation. Subject to the provisions of Art. 20 and annex 4 in relation to Training Compensation, and unless otherwise provided for in the contract, compensation for breach shall be calculated with due consideration for the law of the country concerned, the specificity of sport, and any other objective criteria. These criteria shall include, in particular, the remuneration and other benefits due to the player under the existing contract and/or the new contract, the time remaining on the existing contract up to a maximum of five years, the fees and expenses paid or incurred by the Former Club (amortised over the term of the contract) and whether the contractual breach falls within a Protected Period.
 
Convincing someone to break their contract is incredibly serious, much more so than a simple tapping up. Isn't it basically a way of avoiding a transfer fee? Imagine if Real had done something similar to us with regards to Ronaldo.

"Everyone" seems to work in grey areas when it comes to transfers, mainly through the media by letting them know that they're wanted, but I can't think of many clubs that actually go out and steal players.

edit: and let's hope we've done our legal homework in the Pogba case.
 
mexos said:
I think Chelsea can sign players, just not register them to any contest, therefore avoiding a lot of the laws.
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What would be the point of that? Paying wages to a player that can't play... and what player wants to move to a new club and be out of competitive football for a year?
 
What I am wondering is what is the difference between 'inducing' a player to break a contract, and a player going AWOL or on strike to force a move to another club, as regularly happens?
 
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