Chelsea 2020/21 - General discussion

TheMagicFoolBus said:
The key difference is that Tuchel favours a 2 man midfield as opposed to a 3 man midfield as Sarri did - Kante has always been an awkward fit in the latter system, because his strengths simply are running more than the opposition and pressing high to win the ball whilst someone sits behind him.

Kante's best moments have always come when he's been part of a pairing - be that with Drinkwater at Leicester, Matic at Chelsea, or Pogba for France. Given that, it's encouraging that Tuchel has said Kante's best position is as a part of a double 6 - far better to use him there than to shoehorn him into a role as an 8.
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I believe he played 4-4-2, 4-2-3-1 and 4-3-3 in Paris but probably primarily because he needed to adapt the system to get the best out of Mbappe and Neymar and free them up from defensive work.

In Dortmund he preferred a 4-1-4- and I think his time there represents his ideals best. As a six he favoured Weigl who's basically a light version of Busquets. Jorginho is closest to him. I could be wrong but I don't thibk Kanté fits his system particularly well.
 
Zehner said:
I believe he played 4-4-2, 4-2-3-1 and 4-3-3 in Paris but probably primarily because he needed to adapt the system to get the best out of Mbappe and Neymar and free them up from defensive work.

In Dortmund he preferred a 4-1-4- and I think his time there represents his ideals best. As a six he favoured Weigl who's basically a light version of Busquets. Jorginho is closest to him. I could be wrong but I don't thibk Kanté fits his system particularly well.
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I don't think he's particularly wedded to any starting framework - I think Tuchel has shown an ability to adapt his tactics to the personnel he has available to him. Perhaps I was unclear though as I wasn't trying to speak generally about Tuchel, just what he has shown / said in the context of the Chelsea squad so far. I don't think he has much of a preference for a 2 versus a 3 man midfield, I just meant that in his matches so far for Chelsea he's favoured a double 6.
 
TheMagicFoolBus said:
I don't think he's particularly wedded to any starting framework - I think Tuchel has shown an ability to adapt his tactics to the personnel he has available to him. Perhaps I was unclear though as I wasn't trying to speak generally about Tuchel, just what he has shown / said in the context of the Chelsea squad so far. I don't think he has much of a preference for a 2 versus a 3 man midfield, I just meant that in his matches so far for Chelsea he's favoured a double 6.
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Agreed. He played 5 at the back as well in Paris in this season - forced to due injuries mostly but there were some really good, attacking matches with that formation as well. It's hard to compare the PSG squad to the Chelsea one though since the work rate of the attackers in Paris is much weaker than at Chelsea (hence he had to secure them with a lot of defenders) but their individual class up front is much higher so he could get away with it. I think his pairing of Verratti and Paredes was a good one so I tend to believe Jorghino-Kova is as near as it could get him but against stronger, more attacking teams I guess Kante will be thrown in as well. That would mean the attackers really have to step up their game - although I guess especially CHO and Werner (hopefully Pulisic as well) will benefit greatly once they get some additional square inches of free space compared to the last games.
 
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If they win tonight, that's 4 league wins in a row and all of a sudden 4 points away from second place but momentum behind them.
 
Berbasbullet said:
Yeah they might finish above us.

How do you guys always do this? :lol:
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Everytime we sack a manager and replace them, it ends with some sort of success. Hindsight usually shows we were right. It's why despite it being a revolving door, it works. It gets criticised, but its led to us being one of Englands most successful sides since Roman's takeover, if not the most.

He just has a knack of knowing when to make that change. This squad is one of the better in the league, absolutely a top 4 squad, it just needed the right manager guiding it.
 
ZolaWasMagic said:
Everytime we sack a manager and replace them, it ends with some sort of success. Hindsight usually shows we were right. It's why despite it being a revolving door, it works. It gets criticised, but its led to us being one of Englands most successful sides since Roman's takeover, if not the most.

He just has a knack of knowing when to make that change. This squad is one of the better in the league, absolutely a top 4 squad, it just needed the right manager guiding it.
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And if it's not Tuchel you will sack him and get it right anyway :lol:
 
Chelsea are on the march and they are looking good under Tuchel, I wouldn't be surprised if they beat United in a few weeks time.
 
Can tell we are doing ok lately, TheReligion is nowhere to be seen in Chelsea threads



;) Just joking lad
 
It's quite evident Tuchel is a clear upgrade on Lampard. Looking the outside his problems at the clubs always come from relations with Football Directors, and looking to Chelsea Football structure I don't know if he will accept every football signing without having a opinion. But he certainly will raise their level in the next months.
 
Honestly, he might function better with an owner that dictates total control. As long as Tuchel is winning, I think Roman will support him with talent. It may turn into a good owner/manager relationship for a very long time....which is three years in Chelsea long time.
 
Will be a tough game in a couple of weeks and looks like they are going in as favourites, one thing I will say is that it's good to see Hudson-Odoi finally getting a proper chance in the Chelsea team as think there is a talented player there
 
I know we changed the team around for it, but it's hilarious that the toughest game we've had since Tuchel took over was Barnsley in the cup. They proper took the game to us, struggled to handle their press.
 
WeePat said:
I know we changed the team around for it, but it's hilarious that the toughest game we've had since Tuchel took over was Barnsley in the cup. They proper took the game to us, struggled to handle their press.
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they were at home...5th round away FA cup can get scrappy.

That was their world cup final for the year.


Kovacic has been great since Tuchel has arrived...even jorginho looks solid.

Big test coming with the CL coming and a few heavy weight premier league matches scattered in between.
 
DDROGBA said:
they were at home...5th round away FA cup can get scrappy.

That was their world cup final for the year.


Kovacic has been great since Tuchel has arrived...even jorginho looks solid.

Big test coming with the CL coming and a few heavy weight premier league matches scattered in between.
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Yeah it's different in a do or die scenario, granted but we struggled to play around their coordinated press. Sheffield Utd aside, every PL team we've played have done nothing but park their double decker for 90 minutes.

Agreed re; Kovacic. He's such an elegant player to watch.
 
WeePat said:
Yeah it's different in a do or die scenario, granted but we struggled to play around their coordinated press. Sheffield Utd aside, every PL team we've played have done nothing but park their double decker for 90 minutes.

Agreed re; Kovacic. He's such an elegant player to watch.
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Worth pointing out as well that the state of that pitch helped them hugely - it was incredibly difficult to play quick combinations away from the press given the way the ball was bouncing all over.
 
TheMagicFoolBus said:
Worth pointing out as well that the state of that pitch helped them hugely - it was incredibly difficult to play quick combinations away from the press given the way the ball was bouncing all over.
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Yes that's also true, but I was more doffing the cap to Barnsley's approach compared to the PL teams Tuchel has faced so far than commenting negatively on Chelsea's play.
 
WeePat said:
Yes that's also true, but I was more doffing the cap to Barnsley's approach compared to the PL teams Tuchel has faced so far than commenting negatively on Chelsea's play.
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Yeah definitely; it'll be interesting to see how we cope with Southampton. Agreed that a more proactive approach has made us look worse - particularly in central midfield.
 
I have watched Chelsea for the past few games and I think they are starting to become a little bit of a worry long term.

Tuchel has them playing in a very continental type manner where they are sh*thousing people and doing it in a really cute way that it isn't really obvious. Further, teams are hardly laying a glove on them defensively. For the past five/six games, they have pretty much shut down every team and this includes; Atletico, Utd, Dippers and Everton. Even the last goal that they conceded was due to a mind melt by Zouma (who shouldn't have been playing as a central CB, rather than some sort of opening up of them due to a tactical mistake.)

If they get someone like Håland I am starting to think they could be the next team to dominate as all they are missing at the moment is a finisher. Their depth is also crazy, their bench had the following players on it today; Kante, Mount, Chilwell, Pulisic, Rudiger, Ziyech, Silva.
 
Dave Smith said:
I have watched Chelsea for the past few games and I think they are starting to become a little bit of a worry long term.

Tuchel has them playing in a very continental type manner where they are sh*thousing people and doing it in a really cute way that it isn't really obvious. Further, teams are hardly laying a glove on them defensively. For the past five/six games, they have pretty much shut down every team and this includes; Atletico, Utd, Dippers and Everton. Even the last goal that they conceded was due to a mind melt by Zouma (who shouldn't have been playing as a central CB, rather than some sort of opening up of them due to a tactical mistake.)

If they get someone like Håland I am starting to think they could be the next team to dominate as all they are missing at the moment is a finisher. Their depth is also crazy, their bench had the following players on it today; Kante, Mount, Chilwell, Pulisic, Rudiger, Ziyech, Silva.
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Dominate like Liverpool have? Yeah I wouldn't worry then:lol:
 
They really are incredibly lucky with draws. Amazing really.
 
Pow said:
We literally had the hardest draw in the last round. Turnabout is fair play.
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On paper, perhaps. But then, it turned out to be piss easy. Liverpool probably already entered their alarming malaise when they played Atletico last summer. I know they stormed La Liga to begin with, but they've been on a downward spiral and I was frankly surprised to see how shite their midfield performed on Wednesday.

Not sure about fair either - I'd take your luck with draws in a heartbeat.
 
AshRK said:
I know right, from krasnodar and rennes to Porto. But if it is Chelsea Liverpool, I know who we all will be rooting.
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Yes of course. Long may the Liverpool malaise continue.
 
Bastian said:
On paper, perhaps. But then, it turned out to be piss easy. Liverpool probably already entered their alarming malaise when they played Atletico last summer. I know they stormed La Liga to begin with, but they've been on a downward spiral and I was frankly surprised to see how shite their midfield performed on Wednesday.

Not sure about fair either - I'd take your luck with draws in a heartbeat.
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Lmfao you lot feckin need us with city/scousers still here if an English side is to win
 
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