"You shouldn't go from Molde to Cardiff to Manchester United. That shouldn't be the transition."
One year at Derby and a 6th place finish in the Championship is a fine transition to Chelsea though.
Chelsea 2020/21 - General discussion
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"You shouldn't go from Molde to Cardiff to Manchester United. That shouldn't be the transition."
One year at Derby and a 6th place finish in the Championship is a fine transition to Chelsea though.
Leicester are so good going forward. I get Frank making offensive changes but why did he rotate his defence? He knows this season is lost and wants to try all variations before next season starts. To bad, he might not be there.
When Chelsea were in good form, few pointed out that they are winning against bottom table teams, lets see if they keep it up when the tougher fixtures pile up. Now that half of the season is played, it's not looking good. Only 1 win against top 10/11 teams
I was expecting to be below them, yes. This is what an underperforming manager looks like, he should be doing far better with that squad.
Right now it's looking like they have wasted a lot of money and the new players aren't as good as I thought, it can soon change though, as it has in the space of a month.
We also shouldn't get too carried away about being behind Leicester and 5 points ahead of West Ham yet. It's not proof of anything on who has the better squads is it?
Give Lampard time. A lot of time! 
But really, I think it's come to a point where he has to win the next game, quite convincingly at that, or he's out. It's not just that they keep dropping points and losing games, but they aren't even playing well at all. Not even close to having any kind of cohesion or consistent style of play. They weren't even close to giving Leicester a hard time yesterday. No offensive threat, and defensively in shambles at times. I thought before the season that they'd be suspect defensively, but would score a lot of goals as well. My mates were joking that they'd be the first team in history to both concede and score 100+.
But with the signings of Ziyech, Werner and Havertz, and CHO, Pulisic, Abraham and Giroud already in the team, it's mind boggling that they can't score goals or play any resemblance of good attacking football at all. And that's all on Frank.
The comparison to Ole last season is daft, as Ole had to try to create magic with Pereira, Lingard and Dan James. Meanwhile Frank is doing a good job of killing the magic they paid £200m for. With all the different types of players to put on to change the game, spice things up or do something different when plan A isn't working, it's insane that they can't create more than they do.
But really, I think it's come to a point where he has to win the next game, quite convincingly at that, or he's out. It's not just that they keep dropping points and losing games, but they aren't even playing well at all. Not even close to having any kind of cohesion or consistent style of play. They weren't even close to giving Leicester a hard time yesterday. No offensive threat, and defensively in shambles at times. I thought before the season that they'd be suspect defensively, but would score a lot of goals as well. My mates were joking that they'd be the first team in history to both concede and score 100+.
But with the signings of Ziyech, Werner and Havertz, and CHO, Pulisic, Abraham and Giroud already in the team, it's mind boggling that they can't score goals or play any resemblance of good attacking football at all. And that's all on Frank.
The comparison to Ole last season is daft, as Ole had to try to create magic with Pereira, Lingard and Dan James. Meanwhile Frank is doing a good job of killing the magic they paid £200m for. With all the different types of players to put on to change the game, spice things up or do something different when plan A isn't working, it's insane that they can't create more than they do.
Unfortunately i think it was too soon too much for Frank, he should have stayed where he was for a few years at least and really hone his craft, far too much expectation at Chelsea in comparison under an owner not well known for his patience, was a stupid move
Chelsea should sack Lampard, and they will, because they are ruthless in operation. And they’ll probably win the league next season with Allegri before he loses the dressing room and fans with his boring football and they sack him in 2023. They will then appoint Nagelsmann or similar and win the league again, rinse and repeat until Abramovic gets bored and sells up.
Don't understand the midfield he played yesterday, there didn't appear to be a defensive player at all whereas some teams have played 2 against an in form team such as Leicester. Also don't understand why Abraham and CHO starting yesterday when surely they would have been better played against Fulham and keep Werner for Leicester.
That's a bit disingenuous, Lampard has spent roughly £220 million, Arteta about £80 million.
This is one of the reasons why football journalists are nowadays so dreadful
Just casually strolling through the thread with a little bit of Schadenfreude because of the way i was mocked as a "bitter bayern fan" by many Chelsea fans on here and especially on Twitter when I said that Havertz isn't worth 100 millions at all and that he won't live up to the hype
Big wins against shit teams and draws/losses against anyone decent with quite a few goals conceded. Dont think they have a single good enough cb and dont play well enough at the back under the press or against better quality teams. When I’ve watched them they dont seem able to play the ball up the park in a way that provides any service to the forwards and are stifled without much effort by anyone who has a decent defence.
I suspect Frank will get the tic-tac and someone will come in and sign two centre halves and get the forwards playing and it will all improve drastically.
I suspect Frank will get the tic-tac and someone will come in and sign two centre halves and get the forwards playing and it will all improve drastically.
Leicester sat deep and countered. Not sure what use Werner would have been. Ziyech and Giroud perhaps as Chelsea's only chances came from corners so they had the beating of Leicester in the air.
Chelsea fans right now :
So, it was a draw against Villa, defeats to City and Leicester and a 0-1 win over Fulham. By no means easy games but the pressure is certainly mounting!
Tbf to Frank, during the summer transfer window it was said in several reports that Havertz was a signing that Roman really wanted to happen. Lampard wanted Rice.
That being said, Frank got almost all his first choice signings. If he cannot produce with them, Roman has never been one to say lets try again next year. He wants results now. If the losses do not stop very soon, Lampard deserves to be sacked. He is losing against teams Chelsea should be dominating. It would be different if it was losses against just the top teams.
That being said, Frank got almost all his first choice signings. If he cannot produce with them, Roman has never been one to say lets try again next year. He wants results now. If the losses do not stop very soon, Lampard deserves to be sacked. He is losing against teams Chelsea should be dominating. It would be different if it was losses against just the top teams.
I know he cant shoot but would Loftus-Cheek actually improve this Chelsea side ?
He ran through our team so well in the 2nd half.
He ran through our team so well in the 2nd half.
A decent article about where Lampard stands with the club.
https://www.espn.com/soccer/blog-ma...anagement-why-they-arent-giving-up-on-him-yet
https://www.espn.com/soccer/blog-ma...anagement-why-they-arent-giving-up-on-him-yet
5 defeats in 8 since we beat Leeds two months ago. I personally think it's done now and not sacking him tomorrow is just delaying the inevitable.
I think fans should have patience with him. There are different issues in the squad, limiting Lampard from doing what he wants.
He will turn things around given the time.
What's frustrating is we're literally going to be chucking away points by delaying this. Tuchel is available to start work right now and i think he's perfect for this squad and has the right amount of experience (in terms of games managed and trophy's won) to handle the job.
I'm just saying I don't think he'll be in the job a month from now.
If the club is preparing to for Tuchel, then yes, I don't see the point in delaying it. I saw somewhere that he has 3 games to save his job. It's going to be tough to see him go and nobody (even the twitter trolls who turned on him from last season) wanted it to pan out this way, and I can't personally get myself to call for his head, but I'm at the stage where I'm expecting it any day now.
Off course give my cousin time - sack the rest...
Believe me i hate it but i can't see how clinging on is doing either of us any good. If hypothetically he remained vs Wolves, we lost but done it in the manner we did vs say Liverpool last season (in laymans terms let down by crap finishing and/or a keeper horror show) that alone would make me hold fire on my stance as i'd see some hope he may be stumbling on something but these performances since Krasnador home are giving me no hope whatsoever.
Why did Tuchel get sacked from PSG and why do people think he'll be good for Chelsea?
I dont follow French or German football so don't really know much about him.
I dont follow French or German football so don't really know much about him.
The big worry is if Chelsea get Nagelsmann or Marco Rose, even hasenhuttl to a degree, those three managers would get a tune out of that talented Chelsea squad, there is still holes in the team especially at the back but Lampard is massively underperforming and as much as i hope he is given more time I feel he's maybe only 2 or 3 games away from getting the boot, Romans trigger finger must be so itchy right about now
Tuchel complained about all the club politics he had to tolerate, others said that Tochel did not get along with the administration and he has a history of being difficult for clubs to work with. Just by judging from those statements it is easy to see why he was gone.
If that’s the case, is Chelsea really the club for him?
I'm not sure about Tuchel not saying he'd be as bad as Emery in the PL but I get that kind of vibes about him in that yes he won things with PSG (who doesn't) but I'm not convinced he's good enough to break the Pep/Klopp dominance which is what Chelsea will be aiming to do after the money spent
Obviously tough for any side to get a manager to theoretically be at Klopp or Pep's level because they're the two best with everyone else at least several levels below but honestly do feel (like I said about us with Ole) that waiting till the summer and assessing then is the best option otherwise you're just getting who's available rather than who you might really want
Obviously tough for any side to get a manager to theoretically be at Klopp or Pep's level because they're the two best with everyone else at least several levels below but honestly do feel (like I said about us with Ole) that waiting till the summer and assessing then is the best option otherwise you're just getting who's available rather than who you might really want
I just have this nagging thought at the back of my head that he has been dealt such a terrible card - dealing with a transfer ban, losing Hazard and, granted he has been given a load of good players for a lot money, but this season he had to make do with no preseason and no proper time on the training pitch as it has basically been match day and recovery day non-stop since September. It just feels a tad unfair. Tuchel or whoever will come in, have an actual preseason with the players and reap fruits of Lampard's labour. I still expect him to be gone but the circumstances have been unfavourable from the day one.
Chelsea had more of a pre-season that some teams? And while I assume your point about the lack time on the training pitch is in relation to trying to integrate the number of new players he has sorry but he's not going to get any sympathy there. Chelsea didn't have to sign the number of players they did nor did Lampard have to try and shoehorn them all into the same XI straight away
He should just look at how the master Ole has integrated our new players, he just hasn't played them at all
I am hopeful Frank turns it around, but understand if he does get sacked. I would like to see Nagelsmann come if Frank goes. I don't think Tuchel is the best we could bring in,
Absolutely this. The new guy (I also prefer Tuchel) can start working right away so atleast by the time we play Atletico, we might have some working system in place.
Sounds like most of it was that Tuchel felt he wasn’t backed alongside the high expectations and the need to deliver a Champions League title, seemed to continually clash with the board. This previous summer he lost big players like Silva and they spent near half a billion on two players in the last few years. The PSG squad is very average outside of Neymar, Mbappe, Verratti, and Marquinhos. He was calling for more investment but never got it. I don’t follow PSG at all so that’s my takeaway from things I’ve been reading about the Tuchel situation at PSG.
@BBRBB could maybe provide more insight ?
The last thing he posted:
Chelsea had more of a pre-season that some teams? And while I assume your point about the lack time on the training pitch is in relation to trying to integrate the number of new players he has sorry but he's not going to get any sympathy there. Chelsea didn't have to sign the number of players they did nor did Lampard have to try and shoehorn them all into the same XI straight away
He should just look at how the master Ole has integrated our new players, he just hasn't played them at all
It's a good thing I'm not asking for your sympathy then
I'm not saying he's had it worse than other managers this season, but he was given 6 new players with no preseason or time on the training pitch and I feel it's a tad unfair to sack him in those circumstances after delivering CL football for the club under a transfer ban and losing Eden Hazard.
We had 1 pre-season friendly, in which Ziyech got the injury that made him miss the first few months.
Not the best prep!
Why doesn't he try 4-2-3-1 or something like that?
Could give Kante partner in midfield two in Jorginho, left Pulisic, right Ziyech, middle Mount/Havertz and up-front Werner/Abraham/Giroud.
Think it would suit them better than 4-3-3 in which IMO to many players play with restraint in their game.
Could give Kante partner in midfield two in Jorginho, left Pulisic, right Ziyech, middle Mount/Havertz and up-front Werner/Abraham/Giroud.
Think it would suit them better than 4-3-3 in which IMO to many players play with restraint in their game.
Yup, nail on the head.
I’ve been saying 4231 for months as have most Chelsea fans.
Actually, all fans who know anything about football have been. For Christ sake, even Jermaine Jenus said it would suit us better and he’s a moron.
Pulisic, Havertz and Ziyech playing behind Werner is clearly our best attack and it has never been used in the one system that clearly suits them.
Kante cannot play lone cdm, therefore the 4231 is absolutely perfect for him.
It’s ridiculous how Lampard cannot see this. He’s utterly clueless.