Charlie Adam | Set for talks with Liverpool

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Tumbling-Dice said:
Correct.
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Pogue Mahone said:
I think you assumed wrong.
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Now I don't know what to think!


He obviously does get a bonus for money made on transfers, just a lot less than the 20-30% of the transfer fee speculated about by the press (and also less than the bonus he would get for keeping them up in the Premier League).
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Taking the 'whole clause' reading, that would put him on 1-1.5 million of a £5m transfer fee... which might conceivably still be less than his staying up bonus given the rewards of staying up, but yes on balance you're probably right.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
No, that's not what he's saying at all.

Re-read the bit I quoted. He's denying that he's holding out for a bigger fee because of the amount he could earn, personally, but he clearly admits that he gets a bonus for developing and selling on players (albeit a lot less than the 20-30% he's read about in the press)
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Yes I agree with what you are saying, we have crossed wires.

I'm saying that he's not stalling on selling Adam for personal gain and I believe him.

Yes, he clearly states that he is on some kind of percentage.


I've confused matters here.
 
On one hand he says its it's miles away from getting 20-30% of transfer fee. It does mean he is discounting the fact that he is receiving any bonus at all. but he does confirm later on when he says that he gets rewarded for anybody he coaches and makes a profit. But it does seem to be a lot less than 20-30% quoted. I mean it would be absurd if its that high not that its less absurd already.
 
He might be making close to that, off the net profit he manages to get. I don't know how much Adam cost in the first place but probably less than £1m so it could be a large sum anyway.
 
Tumbling-Dice said:
Yes I agree with what you are saying, we have crossed wires.

I'm saying that he's not stalling on selling Adam for personal gain.

I've confused matters here.
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Yeah, that's the way I see it too.

I mean he could but he's such a nice bloke I want to take what he says at face value.

Besides, does it really matter if he is? It seems a perfectly reasonable incentive to me. Nothing wrong with putting bonuses in place that encourage the manager to get the best possible deal for his employer. If he didn't make a cut of the fee he might be tempted to rush through a sale for a fee below his market value, just so he has as much time as possible to look at getting a replacement.

The only possible downside would be if he sells players for the sake of it, just to cream off his bonus. This is clearly not the case here, though, as it's all being driven by Charile Adam.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Yeah, that's the way I see it too.

I mean he could but he's such a nice bloke I want to take what he says at face value.

Besides, does it really matter if he is? It seems a perfectly reasonable incentive to me. Nothing wrong with putting bonuses in place that encourage the manager to get the best possible deal for his employer.

The only possible downside would be if he sells players for the sake of it, just to cream off his bonus. This is clearly not the case here, though, as it's all being driven by Charile Adam.
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It's a good clause and when it goes in pair with performance based bonuses, it shouldn't interfere with the way manager conducts his business. Only scenario where it could possibly be harmful to a club is when a manager is contacted by another club and offered a deal, and then decides to sell a few of his players to get the money before he leaves - they probably have a clause in there to prevent that though.
 
Surely the best way to get a good price would be by shutting up shop and keeping quiet till the end of the month, not banging on about it every chance he gets for weeks on end. It's never been more obvious that a club was desperate to cash in on a player.
 
Plechazunga said:
Surely the best way to get a good price would be by shutting up shop and keeping quiet till the end of the month, not banging on about it every chance he gets for weeks on end. It's never been more obvious that a club was desperate to cash in on a player.
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Adam is obviously a player in demand and, by handing in a transfer fee, he's made it clear that the player himself wants out. All that's left now is for someone to make an offer that Blackpool consider acceptable. The longer and more public the saga the better, I would have thought.

There might well be other clubs thinking about making a cheeky bid as a result of Holloway going public about Liverpool trying to buy him on the cheap. I wouldn't be surprised if the likes of Everton, Villa or Sunderland have started looking for loose change down the back of the sofa now they know the opening bid was just 4m quid.
 
Tumbling-Dice said:
That was my fault.

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I took clause to mean the passage of script where he is accused of stalling on selling him for personal gain, which he is negating (and I believe him).
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Yeah that is what I meant:

If you're saying [I'm doing this because I'm getting 20-30% of the Adam money] I'll not be very happy - it's miles away, absolute nonsense.

I thought the second half of the conditional and the 'it's miles away, absolute nonsense' referred to the whole bracketed clause - the notion that he's doing it for the sake of his cut - rather than the actual figure. But it could refer to the figure, or to both!
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Yeah, that's the way I see it too.

I mean he could but he's such a nice bloke I want to take what he says at face value.

Besides, does it really matter if he is? It seems a perfectly reasonable incentive to me. Nothing wrong with putting bonuses in place that encourage the manager to get the best possible deal for his employer. If he didn't make a cut of the fee he might be tempted to rush through a sale for a fee below his market value, just so he has as much time as possible to look at getting a replacement.

The only possible downside would be if he sells players for the sake of it, just to cream off his bonus. This is clearly not the case here, though, as it's all being driven by Charile Adam.
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I honestly believe he has the best interests of Blackpool FC at heart. He's just that type of bloke.
 
Plechazunga said:
Yeah that is what I meant:

If you're saying [I'm doing this because I'm getting 20-30% of the Adam money] I'll not be very happy - it's miles away, absolute nonsense.

I thought the second half of the conditional and the 'it's miles away, absolute nonsense' referred to the whole bracketed clause - the notion that he's doing it for the sake of his cut - rather than the actual figure. But it could refer to the figure, or to both!
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Yes, I know what you mean, I thought exactly the same and took it to refer to the whole bracketed clause.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
He maybe unfit but his fitness is likely going to improve with better facilities. It is something that can be worked on. The passing ability is there. The only big question is is he willing to work to get himself in shape. That is always the gamble.
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Why do people think he's unfit? Covers a lot of ground in every game I've seen. If he was unfit he wouldn't be able to do what he does.

May be a case that he's having to do it all himself in most games, week after week, rather than being able to share the load with other players around him.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
No, that's not what he's saying at all.

Re-read the bit I quoted. He's denying that he's holding out for a bigger fee because of the amount he could earn, personally, but he clearly admits that he gets a bonus for developing and selling on players (albeit a lot less than the 20-30% he's read about in the press)
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he seems to state that he's on a much bigger bonus to keep Blackpool in the PL, not to mention the career boost doing that would give him which could make him a lot more in the future.

This also isn't that uncommon. Harry Redknapp always gets a cut of any profit he makes on players. Has done all his career apparently.
 
RedRover said:
Why do people think he's unfit? Covers a lot of ground in every game I've seen. If he was unfit he wouldn't be able to do what he does.

May be a case that he's having to do it all himself in most games, week after week, rather than being able to share the load with other players around him.
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Why do people think he's unfit?

Presumably because they watched the game on Tuesday night, when he was blowing bubbles out his arse by the 50th minute.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Why do people think he's unfit?

Presumably because they watched the game on Tuesday night, when he was blowing bubbles out his arse by the 50th minute.
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Yeah spot on I mean even to look at him he is clearly unfit, just like Andy Reid has talent but nowhere near the fitness levels needed to play for a top club hence why Spurs dumped Reid.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Yeah spot on I mean even to look at him he is clearly unfit, just like Andy Reid has talent but nowhere near the fitness levels needed to play for a top club hence why Spurs dumped Reid.
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I thought Reid always claimed he had some strange morphology and wasn't just overweight yet last time I saw him he looked noticeably trimmer. He was, however, useless since he spent the whole match dreaming of burgers.
 
peterstorey said:
I thought Reid always claimed he had some strange morphology and wasn't just overweight yet last time I saw him he looked noticeably trimmer. He was, however, useless since he spend the whole match dreaming of burgers.
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Yeah Reid definitely did shed a few pounds when he made a brief comeback in the Sunderland side last season but I haven't seen him in ages now so maybe he has been back on a burer binge since then.

He is similar to Adam in that they are both technically gifted players that can pick a pass and are good set piece takers. However, just like Reid I don't think Adam would make it at a top team due to his lack of athletisism and the fact that he needs acres of space to be on top of his game. We gifted him that in the first half the other night but he wont get that kind of space all too often.
 
I've only been back two minutes and I've got another infraction. I think Thatcher joins Israel, P**k and F******r as no-go areas.
 
Plechazunga said:
Surely the best way to get a good price would be by shutting up shop and keeping quiet till the end of the month, not banging on about it every chance he gets for weeks on end. It's never been more obvious that a club was desperate to cash in on a player.
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Holloway shutting up and not seeking the limelight.... Can't see that happening.

Did he mention that he's the one who improved Adam into this colossus bestriding the world of football today yet? It is 3pm after all.
 
Anyone else noticed how the Charlie Adam transfer saga has gone all quiet since he played against us......mmmmm, I wonder why?
 
Ummmm, no. He is a Villa, Everton, Liverpool level player...certainly not a United level player.
 
Sarni said:
I don't know how much Adam cost in the first place but probably less than £1m so it could be a large sum anyway.
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Blackpool paid £500,000.

Two people using the phrase "bracketed clause" in one thread. Madness.
 
He wants both the bonus for keeping them in the league and cashing in on Adams in the summer where he has enough time to find a replacement.
 
fecking hell, this was half way down the page.... Sign Adam!

Has Holloway moved on to some other shite with Sky?

Come on, we need this chap.
 
Charlie Adams? Paul Scholes replacement?

The world's gone mad. I mean totally and utterly fecking insane.
 
Man-United said:
Sir Alex Ferguson marks Charlie Adams' card as replacement for Paul Scholes | Mail Online

No quotes tho.

But I hope we go for Adam, he's class as Fergie said on tuesday.
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The United boss declared after his side's three-goal goal fight-back at Bloomfield Road: 'We couldn't handle Charlie Adam. His corners alone are worth £10m.'
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That quote implies that we're not really interested but I think its just SAF doing his best to get Blackpool a couple of extra mill, its clear to see that Holloway and Sir Alex seem to have a very good relationship. I hope Blackpool get a relatively hefty fee for him and reinvest that cash wisely, the problem with Liverpool messing them about until the last minute in the transfer market is that they'd have no time to really get someone else in.

Adam looks a really good player though, would add some creativity to our midfield, I think some of the comments on here being made about Adam are based on their impressions of him at Rangers and the stigma attached to players who come over from the SPL. The same fans would be the first to criticise, when one of our smaller profile/underrated players aren't given enough credit by the wider footballing audience.
 
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