Charlie Adam | Set for talks with Liverpool

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Adam is not a better footballer than Darren Fletcher. That's ludicrous.

There is a huge difference between looking a class above at a club like Blackpool and adapting into a club of the scale of Manchester United. It's nothing short of laughable that people think Adam would be a worthwhile signing for us. Even as a squad player.
 
zub2007 said:
he is a quality player but lets hope he is rubbish tomorrow
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He might not play, if he does I think you will seen him in full flow. I have a season ticket and he really is a great player when he wants to be. 10k a week is nothing though. How holloway has got his team this far with a ten k wage cap has to put him up for manager of the year.
 
MacMUFC said:
What's your logic? Are you saying because Gibson cost us nothing, we should keep him over signing somebody else?
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My logic is that when we do invest in central midfield we're replacing Scholes and (most likely) Hargreaves, not Darron Gibson (a squad player, at best)

Hence, we should aim a lot higher than Charlie fecking Adams. Is he even getting his game for Scotland?
 
wr8_utd said:
How are they similar? :confused:
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phelans shorts said:
What?
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phelans shorts said:
I got that bit (Darron by the way)

But similar players? Huh?
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wr8_utd said:
:lol:

You'll have to ask him how he came up with that gem
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How are Gibson and Adam not similar players. Actually I'm quite shocked at the response that got. Both not particularly mobile but have great quality on the ball. That pretty much sums it up.

Mark my words if Gibson was playing the same role Adam does for Blackpool he would be having similar if not better results.
 
Fiskey said:
How are Gibson and Adam not similar players. Actually I'm quite shocked at the response that got. Both not particularly mobile but have great quality on the ball. That pretty much sums it up.

Mark my words if Gibson was playing the same role Adam does for Blackpool he would be having similar if not better results.
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Adam is much more mobile than Gibson (as shown by his originally being a winger)

Also Adam is a great passer, something which can't be said about "shoooooooooot" Gibson, as well have having the ability to place shots better than Gibson.
 
£4m is nothing, its an abysmal amount of money in a Premier League context. Based on the level he is at Blackpool this season - to be fair dropping Adam is likely to lead to relegation because replacing him will be very difficult... TV income in the Premier League alone will be a minimum of £30m a season...

£12.7m for Suarez, £4m for Adam... It sounds like Dalglish & Co. priceevalutation are back in the 90's. If Liverpool are going to spend these kind of amounts on players, I would bet that Liverpool are never going to surpass Tottenham, City, Chelsea, Arsenal and ourselves. Babel has agreed terms with Hoffenheim, it is clear that they need improvements as soon as possible if they are to stay on the upper half of the table... They need 4-5 new players and with the offers they are offering other clubs these players are going to be terrible quality.
 
phelans shorts said:
Adam is much more mobile than Gibson (as shown by his originally being a winger)

Also Adam is a great passer, something which can't be said about "shoooooooooot" Gibson, as well have having the ability to place shots better than Gibson.
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Gibbo has played on the wing, almost as badly as Adam managed. There was a reason he was hated at Rangers. Gibson is also a very capable passer, he's often Scholesesque in his statistics and while of course his passing is often not of the same visionary level it is extremely accurate and I expect with confidence and a license similar to what Adam gets his passing range would be very similar. Of course we would not give him this, as he is not good enough, just as Adam wouldn't be good enough for us.

I still don't see why the reaction to saying Gibson and Adam are similar, as far as any player is similar to an other Gibson is similar to Adam, I would love to hear an argument to contrary.
 
Fiskey said:
Gibbo has played on the wing, almost as badly as Adam managed. There was a reason he was hated at Rangers. Gibson is also a very capable passer, he's often Scholesesque in his statistics and while of course his passing is often not of the same visionary level it is extremely accurate and I expect with confidence and a license similar to what Adam gets his passing range would be very similar. Of course we would not give him this, as he is not good enough, just as Adam wouldn't be good enough for us.

I still don't see why the reaction to saying Gibson and Adam are similar, as far as any player is similar to an other Gibson is similar to Adam, I would love to hear an argument to contrary.
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Gibson is a totally diferent player to Adam, what are you on about? I haven't seen much of Gibson in the reserves but from his first team performances I fail to see them as being 'similar'. That's like saying pirlo is similar to beckham 'cos they can both pass.
 
phelans shorts said:
Adam is much more mobile than Gibson (as shown by his originally being a winger)

Also Adam is a great passer, something which can't be said about "shoooooooooot" Gibson, as well have having the ability to place shots better than Gibson.
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This strikes me as someone who has never watched reserve matches with Gibson. If you had, you would see that Gibson, given a run of games and the confidence that builds up, plays the way Adam plays for Blackpool. I have no doubt, given the same opportunities that he could equal or better Adam at Blackpool.

Adam is 2 years older than Gibson and has had more first team football, thats worth keeping in mind
 
Fiskey said:
Gibbo has played on the wing, almost as badly as Adam managed. There was a reason he was hated at Rangers.
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Don't think thats quite correct..

Rangers first team
After playing for Rangers during a July 2006 pre-season trip to South Africa, including scoring a hat-trick against a Jomo Select side, Adam began the 2006–07 season with the club, and he started in their first league match against Motherwell. He continued to be a regular for Rangers as the season progressed, and scored his first goal for the club in a 3–2 UEFA Cup win over Livorno Calcio on 19 October. This was one of fourteen goals Adam scored that season, including strikes against Israeli sides Hapoel Tel Aviv and Maccabi Haifa, as well as a goal in an end-of-season Old Firm match from a free-kick. On 16 April 2007, at the end of his first season in the first team, Adam was voted by Rangers fans as the club's Young Player of the Year at an award ceremony.

On 28 June 2007, it was announced that Adam had signed a new five-year contract with Rangers. He scored his first UEFA Champions League goal on 19 September against VfB Stuttgart, and his second in the return fixture.

Loan move to BlackpoolOn 2 February 2009, Adam signed on loan with English Championship club Blackpool until the end of the 2008–09 season
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It was clear really that Walter Smith didn't really fancy him as a player, opting for more workmanlike players in the early days to get Rangers back on track
 
Chrisjn_ said:
Gibson is a totally diferent player to Adam, what are you on about? I haven't seen much of Gibson in the reserves but from his first team performances I fail to see them as being 'similar'. That's like saying pirlo is similar to beckham 'cos they can both pass.
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If Beckham was played in the same role as Pirlo throughout his career they probably would have become similar players, just like Gibson and Adam.
 
golden_blunder said:
Don't think thats quite correct..



It was clear really that Walter Smith didn't really fancy him as a player, opting for more workmanlike players in the early days to get Rangers back on track
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After that though he was made a scapegoat, they might have changed their opinions now but trust me he took a lot of abuse before he left.
 
golden_blunder said:
This strikes me as someone who has never watched reserve matches with Gibson. If you had, you would see that Gibson, given a run of games and the confidence that builds up, plays the way Adam plays for Blackpool. I have no doubt, given the same opportunities that he could equal or better Adam at Blackpool.

Adam is 2 years older than Gibson and has had more first team football, thats worth keeping in mind
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This, for those who are questioning whether Adam is similar to Gibson ask yourself what do you think Gibson brings to the team, what do you think Fergie thinks he brings to the team and what he will bring to the team in an ideal future world.

Then ask yourself the same question with Adam and you will surely see that the answers are very similar.
 
acnumber9 said:
My thoughts on that would be that if he was that good Rangers would've played him in his best position. It's not like they had a surplus of quality midfielders.
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Or maybe he is just a much better player than he w3as at Rangers, having developed a bit?

He's certainly looked the part in the PL this year for what is obviously an average team.
 
Red_Jamie said:
Adam is not a better footballer than Darren Fletcher. That's ludicrous.

There is a huge difference between looking a class above at a club like Blackpool and adapting into a club of the scale of Manchester United. It's nothing short of laughable that people think Adam would be a worthwhile signing for us. Even as a squad player.
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What a ridiculous statement.

He may not be a top player, but he got Blackpool promoted veirtually on his own last year. They were an average team even by Championship standards on paper.

People then seem to suggest he'll be "found out" when he moves up to the PL, and guess what - he isn't. He steps up again and is quailty week in week out, again for a team who man for man are nowhere near as good as most other PL teams.

Some playeras develop late and this lad looks very good right now so how do you know how good he'll become?

When United pay £7 million for a kid with a handful of games in the Portuguese second division, but people think a player like Adam is worth less in the current market that tells you all you need to know about the average football fan.

Signing any player is a risk, but at least by signing a player from your own league who is playing well and full of confidence you minimise the risk a bit.
 
Fiskey said:
This, for those who are questioning whether Adam is similar to Gibson ask yourself what do you think Gibson brings to the team, what do you think Fergie thinks he brings to the team and what he will bring to the team in an ideal future world.

Then ask yourself the same question with Adam and you will surely see that the answers are very similar.
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About £4m I am guessing.
 
RedRover said:
What a ridiculous statement.

He may not be a top player, but he got Blackpool promoted veirtually on his own last year. They were an average team even by Championship standards on paper.

People then seem to suggest he'll be "found out" when he moves up to the PL, and guess what - he isn't. He steps up again and is quailty week in week out, again for a team who man for man are nowhere near as good as most other PL teams.

Some playeras develop late and this lad looks very good right now so how do you know how good he'll become?

When United pay £7 million for a kid with a handful of games in the Portuguese second division, but people think a player like Adam is worth less in the current market that tells you all you need to know about the average football fan.

Signing any player is a risk, but at least by signing a player from your own league who is playing well and full of confidence you minimise the risk a bit.
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Irrelevant, as Adam is not needed by United.
 
Red_Jamie said:
Adam is not a better footballer than Darren Fletcher. That's ludicrous.

There is a huge difference between looking a class above at a club like Blackpool and adapting into a club of the scale of Manchester United. It's nothing short of laughable that people think Adam would be a worthwhile signing for us. Even as a squad player.
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RedRover said:
What a ridiculous statement.

He may not be a top player, but he got Blackpool promoted veirtually on his own last year. They were an average team even by Championship standards on paper.

People then seem to suggest he'll be "found out" when he moves up to the PL, and guess what - he isn't. He steps up again and is quailty week in week out, again for a team who man for man are nowhere near as good as most other PL teams.

Some playeras develop late and this lad looks very good right now so how do you know how good he'll become?

When United pay £7 million for a kid with a handful of games in the Portuguese second division, but people think a player like Adam is worth less in the current market that tells you all you need to know about the average football fan.

Signing any player is a risk, but at least by signing a player from your own league who is playing well and full of confidence you minimise the risk a bit.
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CnutOfAllCnuts said:
Irrelevant, as Adam is not needed by United.
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Exactly. Thank god RedRover's not in charge of United ey?
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
Irrelevant, as Adam is not needed by United.
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I'm not talking about him signing for United.

The point I'm trying to make is that the comment that he'd never be any good at a bigger club can't be supported, unless and until he gets the chance, and that based on current form he looks every inch a good PL player.

The kid might go to Liverpool or wherever and do well is all I'm saying.

James Milner went for over £30 million quid ini the summer and its arguable whether he's a better player.
 
RedRover said:
What a ridiculous statement.

He may not be a top player, but he got Blackpool promoted veirtually on his own last year. They were an average team even by Championship standards on paper.

People then seem to suggest he'll be "found out" when he moves up to the PL, and guess what - he isn't. He steps up again and is quailty week in week out, again for a team who man for man are nowhere near as good as most other PL teams.

Some playeras develop late and this lad looks very good right now so how do you know how good he'll become?

When United pay £7 million for a kid with a handful of games in the Portuguese second division, but people think a player like Adam is worth less in the current market that tells you all you need to know about the average football fan.

Signing any player is a risk, but at least by signing a player from your own league who is playing well and full of confidence you minimise the risk a bit.
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Loads of players have apparently 'stepped up' on arriving in the premiership. The one's who come to mind are Marcus Stewart, Wade Elliot, Michael Ricketts, Nicky Shorey and Nigel Reo-Coker and yet this does not mean they go on to be long term prospects.

We paid 7 million for Bebe because there is probably a 20% chance he will become a 20 million pound player and a 10% chance he will become a £30 million pound player. A player like Adam has no chance of improving to that degree, in fact I think he's probably playing as well as he ever will in his career in a team that's totally set up around him.
 
I have to say i could never have imagined this level of interest in Charlie Adams career. Le Guen liked him a lot but after that he went backwards. I really think the english game has turned it around for him. The improved fitness and the added responsiblity have improved him imeasurably.
 
Fiskey said:
Loads of players have apparently 'stepped up' on arriving in the premiership. The one's who come to mind are Marcus Stewart, Wade Elliot, Michael Ricketts, Nicky Shorey and Nigel Reo-Coker and yet this does not mean they go on to be long term prospects.

We paid 7 million for Bebe because there is probably a 20% chance he will become a 20 million pound player and a 10% chance he will become a £30 million pound player. A player like Adam has no chance of improving to that degree, in fact I think he's probably playing as well as he ever will in his career in a team that's totally set up around him.
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Why not? Because he's not portuguese or recommended by some foreign scout? Don't tell me you can put percentages on what any player will become because its nonsence. As I said, every signing is a gamble. Some players develop early, somoe late and some not at all.

Its also daft to talk about player values when Milner and Lescott are moving for the money they are then who is to say what player is worth what?

All I'm trying to say is that the lad has done very well in a poor side filled with Championship players. He's stood out for his team and in games generally against much better opposition. Why could he not do even better in a better team? Thats the basis on which most players are signed - the hope that they'll improve in a better side hence why Arsenal are ready to shell out £10 million on a 17 year old playing in League two.

Liverpool seem to want him and he's probably been better this season that all but a handful of players in their midfield. He may not become world class (whatever that means) but he seems to work hard, has a good range of passing and is a solid player - so I can see why clubs are interested in him, especially at the figures quoted.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
No doubt, he was actually VERY simelar to Gibson when he was younger. I remember his loan spell at St Mirren where he'd basically shoot at every opportunity from 35 yards and closer...
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Yeah, still waiting for those guys to come back and actually argue their point....
 
RedRover said:
Why not? Because he's not portuguese or recommended by some foreign scout? Don't tell me you can put percentages on what any player will become because its nonsence. As I said, every signing is a gamble. Some players develop early, somoe late and some not at all.

Its also daft to talk about player values when Milner and Lescott are moving for the money they are then who is to say what player is worth what?

All I'm trying to say is that the lad has done very well in a poor side filled with Championship players. He's stood out for his team and in games generally against much better opposition. Why could he not do even better in a better team? Thats the basis on which most players are signed - the hope that they'll improve in a better side hence why Arsenal are ready to shell out £10 million on a 17 year old playing in League two.

Liverpool seem to want him and he's probably been better this season that all but a handful of players in their midfield. He may not become world class (whatever that means) but he seems to work hard, has a good range of passing and is a solid player - so I can see why clubs are interested in him, especially at the figures quoted.
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At £46m?
 
Fiskey said:
Yeah, still waiting for those guys to come back and actually argue their point....
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Yeah but Adam is now 25 so if Gibson is to improve he needs to get first team football. United could do a lot worse than let him go to an up and coming side in the championship/lower prem to give him the platform to really push on.

Adam can be the scottish pirlo. He played in a friendly for us in that position and his ability to switch play and ping it about was a breath of fresh air. When you play a defensive/counter attacking way he can really shine and get the team on fast breaks with his pin point passing over 40/50 yards.
 
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