Changes in Arabia

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Just remember, we don't just sell saudis the weapons they are using to starve the Yemen population by destroying infrastructure.

The tory government have placed members of our own armed forces with the Saudi military to advise them.
 
Major diplomatic kerfuffle playing out between the Saudis and Qatar right now:

Hack, fake story expose real tensions between Qatar, Gulf

Incendiary statements about Iran and Israel posted on Qatar's state-run news agency that authorities blamed on hackers sparked a regional dispute Wednesday, with the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia blocking Qatari media including Al-Jazeera.

The alleged hack and purported fake news exposed real tensions still lingering in the Gulf between Qatar and other nations over the small gas-rich country's support of Islamist groups.

While Qatar quickly denied the comments attributed to ruling emir Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, Saudi-owned satellite channels repeatedly aired them throughout the day Wednesday. The incident revived suspicions that exploded into the open three years when several Gulf nations pulled their ambassadors from Qatar over similar worries about its politics.

The alleged hack happened early on Wednesday morning and hours later, the website of the Qatar News Agency still was not accessible.

The fake article quoted Sheikh Tamim as calling Iran an "Islamic power" and saying Qatar's relations with Israel were "good" during a military ceremony.

Online footage of Qatari state television's nightly newscast from Tuesday showed clips of Sheikh Tamim at the ceremony with the anchor not mentioning the comments, though a scrolling ticker at the bottom of the screen had the alleged fake remarks. They included calling Hamas "the legitimate representative of the Palestinian people," as well as saying Qatar had "strong relations" with Iran and the United States.

"Iran represents a regional and Islamic power that cannot be ignored and it is unwise to face up against it," the ticker read at one point. "It is a big power in the stabilization of the region."

The hackers also purportedly took over the news agency's Twitter feed and posted alleged quotes from Qatar's foreign minister accusing Arab nations of fomenting a plot against his country. A series of tweets said Qatar had ordered its ambassadors to withdraw from Bahrain, Egypt, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates over the plot. The tweets were later deleted.

Sheikh Saif Bin Ahmed Al Thani, the director of the Qatari government's communications office, issued a statement saying authorities had launched an investigation.

"The statement published has no basis whatsoever and the competent authorities in the state of Qatar will hold all those (who) committed (this) accountable," Sheikh Saif said. The government later called the state TV footage "fake videos."

No group immediately claimed responsibility for the alleged hack.

Qatar has been targeted by hackers before, however. In May 2016, hackers leaked sensitive information involving thousands of Qatar National Bank customers, purportedly including government employees and members of the ruling family. In 2012, a damaging virus crippled computer systems at Qatari natural gas producer RasGas soon after a similar attack on Saudi Arabia's state-run oil company.

Amid Qatar's denials, Saudi-owned satellite television networks immediately began airing repeated stories about the disputed comments. By early Wednesday morning, those living in the UAE and subscribers to local cable providers couldn't access the channels of Al-Jazeera, the pan-Arab satellite broadcaster based in the Qatari capital, Doha.

Attempts to reach its websites brought up a warning from the UAE's Telecommunications Regulatory Authority saying the site "contains content that is prohibited."

Regulators and government officials in the UAE did not respond to requests for comment. In Saudi Arabia, internet users also found Al-Jazeera websites blocked with a warning from the kingdom's Culture and Information Ministry.

Al-Jazeera said it was "studying the reports our channels and digital platforms have been blocked in certain countries in the region." It declined to comment further.

Qatar, home to the forward headquarters of the U.S. military's Central Command and some 10,000 American troops, long has faced criticism from its Arab neighbors over its support of Islamists. The chief worry among them is the Muslim Brotherhood, a Sunni Islamist political group outlawed by both Saudi Arabia and the UAE as it challenges the nations' hereditary rule.

Gulf countries led by Saudi Arabia fell out with Qatar over its backing of then-Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi, a Brotherhood member. In March 2014, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain recalled their ambassadors from Qatar over the rift. Eight months later, they returned their ambassadors as Qatar forced some Brotherhood members to leave the country and quieted others.

In the time since, Qatar repeatedly and strongly denied it funds extremist groups. However, it remains a key financial patron of the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip and has been the home of exiled Hamas official Khaled Mashaal since 2012. Western officials also have accused Qatar of allowing or even encouraging funding of Sunni extremists like al-Qaida's branch in Syria, once known as the Nusra Front.

As U.S. President Donald Trump arrived in Saudi Arabia this week, Qatar issued a statement decrying "an orchestrated barrage of opinion pieces by anti-Qatar organizations" criticizing it. One of those pieces, suggesting Qatar in 2006 may have let go a Qatari man who became an al-Qaida leader in Afghanistan, came from David A. Weinberg, a senior fellow at the Washington-based Foundation for the Defense of Democracies.

"The swift Saudi-Emirati response makes me think they were fishing for a confrontation or this is a convenient pretense ... to address the things already bothering them," Weinberg said. "Qatar likes to write this off as a campaign based on lies and ulterior motives, but if Qatar didn't has the sort of problematic record it has, it wouldn't be the target for this."

http://abcnews.go.com/International...ebsite-hacked-fake-article-published-47598847

Al Arabiya claiming they have proof that it wasn't a hack.
 
So apparently Qatar have withdrawn their ambassadors from the other GCC states while al Arabiya have played a tape they claim is Qadhafi and the Qatari Emir plotting to overthrow the house of Saud.
 
The evil empire of Saudi Arabia is the West’s real enemy.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...arabia-is-the-west-s-real-enemy-a6669531.html

Iran is seriously mistrusted by Israel and America. North Korea protects its nuclear secrets and is ruled by an erratic, vicious man. Vladimir Putin’s territorial ambitions alarm democratic nations. The newest peril, Isis, the wild child of Islamists, has shocked the whole world. But top of this list should be Saudi Arabia – degenerate, malignant, pitiless, powerful and as dangerous as any of those listed above.

The state systematically transmits its sick form of Islam across the globe, instigates and funds hatreds, while crushing human freedoms and aspiration. But the West genuflects to its rulers. Last week Saudi Arabia was appointed chair of the UN Human Rights Council, a choice welcomed by Washington. Mark Toner, a spokesperson for the State Department, said: “We talk about human rights concerns with them. As to this leadership role, we hope that it is an occasion for them to look into human rights around the world and also within their own borders.”

The jaw simply drops. Saudi Arabia executes one person every two days. Ali Mohammed al-Nimr is soon to be beheaded then crucified for taking part in pro-democracy protests during the Arab Spring. He was a teenager then. Raif Badawi, a blogger who dared to call for democracy, was sentenced to 10 years and 1,000 lashes. Last week, 769 faithful Muslim believers were killed in Mecca where they had gone on the Hajj. Initially, the rulers said it was “God’s will” and then they blamed the dead. Mecca was once a place of simplicity and spirituality. Today the avaricious Saudis have bulldozed historical sites and turned it into the Las Vegas of Islam – with hotels, skyscrapers and malls to spend, spend, spend. The poor can no longer afford to go there. Numbers should be controlled to ensure safety – but that would be ruinous for profits. Ziauddin Sardar’s poignant book Mecca: The Sacred City, describes the desecration of Islam’s holiest site.

Even more seriously, the pernicious Saudi influence is spreading fast and freely. King Salman has offered to build 200 mosques in Germany for recently arrived refugees, many of whom are Muslims. He offered no money for resettlement or basic needs, but Wahhabi mosques, the Trojan horses of the secret Saudi crusade. Several Islamic schools are also sites of Wahhabism, now a global brand. It makes hearts and minds small and suspicious, turns Muslim against Muslim, and undermines modernists.

The late Laurent Murawiec, a French neocon, wrote this in 2002: “The Saudis are active at every level of the terror chain, from planners to financiers, from cadres to foot soldiers, from ideologists to cheerleaders.” Murawiec’s politics were odious, but his observations were spot on. Remember that most of the 9/11 killers were Saudi; so was the al-Qaeda hierarchy.

In the 14 years that have followed 9/11, the Saudis have become more aggressive, more determined to win the culture wars. They pour money into Islamist organisations and operations, promote punishing doctrines that subjugate women and children, and damn liberal values and democracy. They are pursuing a cruel bombing campaign in Yemen that has left thousands of civilians dead and many more in dire straits.

So, what does our ruling establishment do to stop the invisible hand of this Satan? Zilch. The Royal Family, successive governments, parliamentarians, a good number of institutions and people with clout collectively suck up to the Saudi ruling clan. I have not seen any incisive TV investigation of this regime. We know it is up to no good, but evidence is suppressed. Some writers have tried to break this conspiracy of obsequiousness. Craig Unger’s book, House of Bush, House of Saud was published in 2004. It established beyond reasonable doubt that Saudi Arabia was the nerve-centre of international terrorism. And that the Bush family was unduly close to the regime. Many of us believed the revelations were even more explosive than those by the journalists Carl Bernstein and Bob Woodward, who exposed the lies told by Richard Nixon.

This deadly enemy will not be cowed or stopped by Trident. Our leaders know what is going on. So what do they do? They pick on the small people. The Government’s Prevent programme now imposes a duty on educators to watch out for young “radicals” and nip them in the bud. Older dissenters, too. To date, 4,000 young Muslims have been referred for reprogramming. One was three years old. In May, a young Muslim schoolboy talked about “eco-terrorists” and was taken away to be interrogated about whether he supported Isis. Academics, lawyers, doctors and nurses are also expected to become the nation’s spies. Mohammed Umar Farooq, a student at Staffordshire University, was accused last week of being a terrorist because he was reading a book entitled Terrorism Studies in the library.

In the US, 14-year-old Ahmed Mohamed was arrested because he took a home-made clock to school. (Richard Dawkins, these days a manic tweet preacher, questioned whether the clock was part of a “hoax” designed to get Mohamed arrested, before backtracking.) The West, it seems, is free only for some. And to be a Muslim is a crime.

Extremism is a serious problem. Westernised, liberal Muslims do try to influence feverish, hostile young Muslim minds, but we are largely powerless. Our leaders will not confront Saudi Arabia, the source of Islamist brainwashing and infection. They won’t because of oil and the profits made by arms sales. Political cowards and immoral profiteers are the traitors, the real threat to national security, patriotism and cohesion. How do they answer the charge?
 
Home Office may not publish terrorist funding report amid claims it focuses on Saudi Arabia.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ublish-conservatives-government-a7766381.html

An investigation into the foreign funding of extremist Islamist groups may never be published, the Home Office has admitted.

The inquiry commissioned by David Cameron, was launched as part of a deal with the Liberal Democrats in December 2015, in exchange for the party supporting the extension of British airstrikes against Isis into Syria.

But although it was due to be published in the spring of 2016, it has not been completed and may never be made public due to its "sensitive" contents.

It is thought to focus on Saudi Arabia, which the UK recently approved £3.5bn worth of arms export licences to.

A spokesperson from the Home Office told The Independent a decision on the publication of the report would be taken “after the election by the next government”.

But in a separate interview with The Guardian a spokesperson said the report may never be published, describing its contents were “very sensitive”.
 
Looks like an all-out GCC assault on Qatar in order to force Doha to break with Iran and the MB once and for all is underway:

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Qatar aren't clean in this mess but I'm just desperate for someone to tell the Saudis to feck off.
 
Saudi Arabia's role in recent events in Indonesia. A sign of things to come.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/...izing-world/ivMeb7TWGk1fQaVjZWWKGP/story.html

JUST A FEW months ago, the governor of Indonesia’s largest city, Jakarta, seemed headed for easy re-election despite the fact that he is a Christian in a mostly Muslim country. Suddenly everything went violently wrong. Using the pretext of an offhand remark the governor made about the Koran, masses of enraged Muslims took to the streets to denounce him. In short order he lost the election, was arrested, charged with blasphemy, and sentenced to two years in prison.

This episode is especially alarming because Indonesia, the world’s largest Muslim country, has long been one of its most tolerant. Indonesian Islam, like most belief systems on that vast archipelago, is syncretic, gentle, and open-minded. The stunning fall of Jakarta’s governor reflects the opposite: intolerance, sectarian hatred, and contempt for democracy.

Fundamentalism is surging in Indonesia. This did not happen naturally.

Saudi Arabia has been working for decades to pull Indonesia away from moderate Islam and toward the austere Wahhabi form that is state religion in Saudi Arabia. The Saudis’ campaign has been patient, multi-faceted, and lavishly financed. It mirrors others they have waged in Muslim countries across Asia and Africa.

Successive American presidents have assured us that Saudi Arabia is our friend and wishes us well. Yet we know that Osama bin Laden and most of his 9/11 hijackers were Saudis, and that, as Secretary of State Hillary Clinton wrote in a diplomatic cable eight years ago, “Donors in Saudi Arabia constitute the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide.”

Recent events in Indonesia shine a light on a Saudi project that is even more pernicious than financing terrorists. Saudi Arabia has used its wealth, much of which comes from the United States, to turn entire nations into hotbeds of radical Islam. By refusing to protest or even officially acknowledge this far-reaching project, we finance our own assassins — and global terror.

The center of Saudi Arabia’s campaign to convert Indonesians to Wahhabi Islam is a tuition-free university in Jakarta known by the acronym LIPIA. All instruction is in Arabic, given mainly by preachers from Saudi Arabia and nearby countries. Genders are kept apart; strict dress codes are enforced; and music, television, and “loud laughter” are forbidden. Students learn an ultra-conservative form of Islam that favors hand amputation for thieves, stoning for adulterers, and death for gays and blasphemers.

Many of the students come from the more than 100 boarding schools Saudi Arabia supports in Indonesia, or have attended one of the 150 mosques that Saudis have built there. The most promising are given scholarships to study in Saudi Arabia, from which they return fully prepared to wreak social, political, and religious havoc in their homeland. Some promote terror groups like Hamas Indonesia and the Islamic Defenders Front, which did not exist before the Saudis arrived.

Saudi Arabia’s success in reshaping Indonesia shows the importance of the global battle over ideas. Many in Washington consider spending for cultural and other “soft power” projects to be wasteful. The Saudis feel differently. They pour money and resources into promoting their world view. We should do the same.

The third lesson that today’s Indonesia teaches is about the vulnerability of democracy. In 1998 Indonesia’s repressive military dictatorship gave way to a new system, based on free elections, that promised civil and political rights for all. Radical preachers who would previously have been imprisoned for whipping up religious hatred found themselves free spread their poison. Democracy enables them to forge giant mobs that demand death for apostates. Their political parties campaign in democratic elections for the right to come to power and crush democracy. This is a sobering reality for those who believe that one political system is best for all countries under all circumstances.

The Saudi campaign to radicalize global Islam also shows that earth-shaking events often happen slowly and quietly. The press, focused intently on reporting today’s news, often misses deeper and more important stories. Historians of journalism sometimes point to the northward “great migration” of African-Americans after World War II as an epochal story that few journalists noticed because it was a slow process rather than one-day news event.

The same is true of Saudi Arabia’s long campaign to pull the world’s 1.8 billion Muslims back to the 7th century. We barely notice it, but every day, from Mumbai to Manchester, we feel its effects.
 


He's effectively the power now. Everything I've read about this guy suggests that we're in for some very interesting times with Saudi Arabia in the coming years.
 
What have you read about him ?

He's supposedly extremely assertive and self-confident, not someone who takes on board others' advice. Not afraid to rock the boat and shake things up a bit - this goes for domestic policy, where he supposedly doesn't give much of a shit about the rules of the Wahhabi ulama (we may see women driving in Saudi soon), and foreign policy, where he seems determined to make 'brave' and 'daring' moves (in complete contrast to a century of Saudi diplomacy). And he's reportedly very very hostile to Iran. He's also only in his early 30s, so coup, premature death, or assassination aside, he'll set the Saudi agenda for the next fifty years or so.

Is he the guy that was targeted by a suicide bomber with a device in his arse?

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He's supposedly extremely assertive and self-confident, not someone who takes on board others' advice. Not afraid to rock the boat and shake things up a bit - this goes for domestic policy, where he supposedly doesn't give much of a shit about the rules of the Wahhabi ulama (we may see women driving in Saudi soon), and foreign policy, where he seems determined to make 'brave' and 'daring' moves (in complete contrast to a century of Saudi diplomacy). And he's reportedly very very hostile to Iran. He's also only in his early 30s, so coup, premature death, or assassination aside, he'll set the Saudi agenda for the next fifty years or so.



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I reckon he will either be deposed or bring down the House of Saud. He is trying to reform something that is in essence incapable of reform.
 
He's supposedly extremely assertive and self-confident, not someone who takes on board others' advice. Not afraid to rock the boat and shake things up a bit - this goes for domestic policy, where he supposedly doesn't give much of a shit about the rules of the Wahhabi ulama (we may see women driving in Saudi soon), and foreign policy, where he seems determined to make 'brave' and 'daring' moves (in complete contrast to a century of Saudi diplomacy). And he's reportedly very very hostile to Iran. He's also only in his early 30s, so coup, premature death, or assassination aside, he'll set the Saudi agenda for the next fifty years or so.

Interesting. I'd imagine he'll get along well with Trump then.
 
He's supposedly extremely assertive and self-confident, not someone who takes on board others' advice. Not afraid to rock the boat and shake things up a bit - this goes for domestic policy, where he supposedly doesn't give much of a shit about the rules of the Wahhabi ulama (we may see women driving in Saudi soon), and foreign policy, where he seems determined to make 'brave' and 'daring' moves (in complete contrast to a century of Saudi diplomacy). And he's reportedly very very hostile to Iran. He's also only in his early 30s, so coup, premature death, or assassination aside, he'll set the Saudi agenda for the next fifty years or so.



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I've been predicting some changes mainly due to economic challenges upcoming in the country. Let's hope he changes the country in the right way.
 
I wouldn't get my hopes up for him. The shit-show in Yemen is largely his design.
 
I think he'll be busy trying to egg the US and Israel on in terms of cornering Iran and trying to lessen their influence in the region.

That'll be his lasting 'reform'
 
He's supposedly extremely assertive and self-confident, not someone who takes on board others' advice. Not afraid to rock the boat and shake things up a bit - this goes for domestic policy, where he supposedly doesn't give much of a shit about the rules of the Wahhabi ulama (we may see women driving in Saudi soon), and foreign policy, where he seems determined to make 'brave' and 'daring' moves (in complete contrast to a century of Saudi diplomacy). And he's reportedly very very hostile to Iran. He's also only in his early 30s, so coup, premature death, or assassination aside, he'll set the Saudi agenda for the next fifty years or so.

That would be the last straw, he'd be assassinated if he isn't hostile to iran.

Can't the other sons or male members of the family stake a claim after the current rulers death ?
 
Can't the other sons or male members of the family stake a claim after the current rulers death ?

That's another possibility. His star has risen very quickly, and other factions in the family are reportedly not enthused. A lot depends I think on who has the various security apparatus on their side.
 
Worth pointing out that his view of Iran seems primarily sectarian, see the video below:

Interview with the Deputy Crown Prince (being groomed for leadership) Muhammad bin Salman:



"Twelver jaafari ideology" is just mainstream Shi'ism.
 
I think social reform is impossible in Saudi Arabia.
They make the DUP look like gay rights activists.
I went to uni with one. We drank together, went to clubs together, smoked together etc.
This bastard bizarrely said he'd never allow his wife to drive.
And that's supposed to be the young modern Saudi.
 
I think social reform is impossible in Saudi Arabia.
They make the DUP look like gay rights activists.
I went to uni with one. We drank together, went to clubs together, smoked together etc.
This bastard bizarrely said he'd never allow his wife to drive.
And that's supposed to be the young modern Saudi.
Well...have you ever tried driving with a niqab on? :p
 
This sounds hard to believe. Even the likes of ISIS and Al Qaeda know what a sacred site that is and wouldn't dare target it.

Like they give a feck, they just recently blew up Mosul's most historic mosque.

But again this could also be complete BS and them just trying to masquerade their alleged anti-terror credentials.
 
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