Champions League Semi Finals (24th April - 2nd May)

That's beside the point. Some of the goals conceded were abysmal but at the same time Liverpool got decisions in their favour tonight which could have swung the tie the other way if the ref had been more alert. It's a moot point now, Liverpool did well to reach the final. Don't think they'll get the rub of the green against the CL GOAT team though:)

And if Liverpool had ever felt in serious danger do you think they keep playing as they were? Can't just say that Roma won 4-2, if they get 2 pens earlier it would have ended 6-2, those decisions change everything that comes afterwards. Liverpool could easily have been 8 up at Anfield before Roma score and easily got to 2-1 tonight. Game was dead as a contest at that point.
 
His arm was by his side. Where else can it be?
I might be mistaken but I remember him moving his arm into that position to obstruct the ball. Not a penalty if it was the starting position but that wasn't the case. Your right back got away with something similar earlier on.
 
That’s Klopp not our fans, and we get as much go against us as anyone does.
I think over a season, most teams do and personally, I can't say Liverpool have been jammy (some of their play, Salah especially (who I said ages ago should get PoTY) has been excellent).

I think a better phrase would be they've been fortunate at important times? City "goal" could've changed things and Roma penalty decisions could've made a difference (given end score)?

But, no-one flukes a CL Final place (same as no-one flukes a league title). In a one off, I'd fancy Real 7-8 times out of 10 (Marcelo down the left flank will be interesting) and hoping those odds plan out.
 
I love you Madrid fans, 3 CL finals in a row and it's 'time for some major surgery'
It's not about results, it's how they come about. Winning a 3rd CL would be incredible. We aren't going to think about how good it felt a year from now when we had an even worse league campaign and crashed out in the R16 in CL. We'll just be pissed about a lost season

Bayern destroyed us, plain and simple. They were clearly the better team, by far, and it was entirely down to luck and their own incredible mistakes that we went through. That's not a recipe for sustained success
 
Major surgery? What? It's not like we're fighting for top 4. We need some fresh blood though after signing less and less for a couple of years.

We need someone to replace Benzema (though he did have a great night after so long, he can stay as a backup), someone who can score and assist Cristiano, and vice versa, on a more consistent basis, Dybala fits the profile, that and a RW to replace Bale, Salah is the obvious choice, though I'm not sure Pool might be up for negotiations. Though Lucas himself is decent, but we should aim for the best nonetheless.

We definitely need no midfielders or CBs, probably a better backup RB to move Nacho to CB permanently, other stuff like GK or backup LB etc. are not a priority and the current options are good enough. I don't see how 3-4 signings in total is gonna be a major surgery.
We most definitely need to add greater and better depth pretty much everywhere, i'm still not convinced by Varane at all and Nacho at CB can work against most teams but not against the best ones. He's better at RB. And we still need another CB anyways because Vallejo barely played at all this season and not for lack of opportunities.

As for midfield, i don't think kroos and modric will be better next season, at least under zidane. They just don't look hungry anymore to me. Couldn't even follow some basic tactical instructions all season long. Perhaps it's because they played too much over the last 3 years and it was a matter of fitness, but the way i see it, they just don't really care enough anymore to put that extra effort in...

Up top we've been saying it all along, sell and replace Bale, upgrade on Benzema.

We seriously got away with it against bayern, they whupped our butts for 180 minutes. At the very least we need a whole new bench. That is major surgery. We have 4 useful bench options right now, and we will finish the season having played 62 games. With another 60 last season, and 52 the one before. Plus internationals, the Euros and the upcoming WC. We need reliable fresh blood, badly, and in great quantity
 
We most definitely need to add greater and better depth pretty much everywhere, i'm still not convinced by Varane at all and Nacho at CB can work against most teams but not against the best ones. He's better at RB. And we still need another CB anyways because Vallejo barely played at all this season and not for lack of opportunities.

As for midfield, i don't think kroos and modric will be better next season, at least under zidane. They just don't look hungry anymore to me. Couldn't even follow some basic tactical instructions all season long. Perhaps it's because they played too much over the last 3 years and it was a matter of fitness, but the way i see it, they just don't really care enough anymore to put that extra effort in...

Up top we've been saying it all along, sell and replace Bale, upgrade on Benzema.

We seriously got away with it against bayern, they whupped our butts for 180 minutes. At the very least we need a whole new bench. That is major surgery. We have 4 useful bench options right now, and we will finish the season having played 62 games. With another 60 last season, and 52 the one before. Plus internationals, the Euros and the upcoming WC. We need reliable fresh blood, badly, and in great quantity
What’s your prediction for the final? You’re definitely favourites.
 
What’s your prediction for the final? You’re definitely favourites.
First half will be key. If you outrun us by at least 5 kms total you have a big chance. Any less and we win. We struggle in fast-paced, high-intensity affairs, but as soon as we're given breathing room we have so much talent we can carve up any team at will. You're the worst stylistic matchup possible for us, but it's a final, it won't be at anfield, we have tons of experience and you have little.

We'll play our game, at our pace. Your play will determine the result. Logically speaking, we should be favourites, but your best right now appears to be better than the best we can do
 
He’s not fit to lace George Best’s boots!

Ronaldo is on a different stratosphere than anything George Best has done. Let's be honest.

Let's not even start about the level of dedication to the game each of these players have. George Best was more concerned about boozing while Ronaldo is more concerned about winning all the trophies and breaking every single record.
 
He’s the best player that’s ever played for united (based on what he’s done elsewhere) but not the best player that man united has ever had. His overall performances for us don’t even put him past what giggs did for us.

Nope... 42 goals and leading us to Champions league glory (given that we only have fecking 3 European Cups) is above anything any other players has done for us.

That 2007/2008 season was sensational. No United player ever has had a season like that.
 
We most definitely need to add greater and better depth pretty much everywhere, i'm still not convinced by Varane at all and Nacho at CB can work against most teams but not against the best ones. He's better at RB. And we still need another CB anyways because Vallejo barely played at all this season and not for lack of opportunities.

As for midfield, i don't think kroos and modric will be better next season, at least under zidane. They just don't look hungry anymore to me. Couldn't even follow some basic tactical instructions all season long. Perhaps it's because they played too much over the last 3 years and it was a matter of fitness, but the way i see it, they just don't really care enough anymore to put that extra effort in...

Up top we've been saying it all along, sell and replace Bale, upgrade on Benzema.

We seriously got away with it against bayern, they whupped our butts for 180 minutes. At the very least we need a whole new bench. That is major surgery. We have 4 useful bench options right now, and we will finish the season having played 62 games. With another 60 last season, and 52 the one before. Plus internationals, the Euros and the upcoming WC. We need reliable fresh blood, badly, and in great quantity
I said add a better RB backup and use Nacho exclusively as a CB and you said the reverse... either way one backup defender in total, two if we're really pushing it and aren't willing to give Theo, a teenager, more time, which I'd disagree with, though can see why some might see it that way.

Modric not caring anymore? What did I just read? He's still the best MF in the world, last night against Bayern included, I don't know which Modric you've been watching. Same thing with Varane. And while Kroos has had a dip in form for sure (though even then he was crucial in finding space for Ronaldo which resulted in our penalty vs Juve), he'll be alright, he's way too professional to stay like this for long.

And we've got Isco, Asensio, Casemiro, Kovacic, Lucas who can be starters for almost any team in the world, heck even Ceballos would be a starter for most clubs. Basically we've got so many midfielders with different profiles, we don't lack options in that department for sure, if we look at the bigger picture esp. during our league campaign, our main problem wasn't not creating enough opportunities but putting the ball into the net (earlier in the season Ronaldo wasn't on a good form and we couldn't score no matter what which is why we're way behind in points while we used to have Morata), and it just built more and more pressure on the team... and when you don't score, you're far more likely to concede.

So I think as long as we address the problem with scoring (someone to share the burden with Ronaldo) and get a pacey RW as well in place of Bale, for our counter-attacks, we'll be more than fine. I see no need for major surgeries, honestly the way I see it is while you're a decent poster, no disrespect but sometimes it's like you consume too much Spanish (or similar) media and have that overreacting attitude.
 
Ronaldo is on a different stratosphere than anything George Best has done. Let's be honest.

Let's not even start about the level of dedication to the game each of these players have. George Best was more concerned about boozing while Ronaldo is more concerned about winning all the trophies and breaking every single record.

Dedication is another thing, Ronaldo is miles ahead, but talent wise? George Best without any doubt.
 
I’d take 6 Champions Leagues every day of the week
1 Champions league mate.

5 European cups

3 v Malmo ,Bruges and Borussia Munchengladbach .

More importantly No premiership titles !!

Tremendous front 3 but arguably the worst other 8 to reach a final since Istanbul.

Tonight was the worst CL semi final quality wise I have ever seen ,I half expected Robbie Williams and Olly Murs to come on for the last 5 minutes.
 
We most definitely need to add greater and better depth pretty much everywhere, i'm still not convinced by Varane at all and Nacho at CB can work against most teams but not against the best ones. He's better at RB. And we still need another CB anyways because Vallejo barely played at all this season and not for lack of opportunities.

As for midfield, i don't think kroos and modric will be better next season, at least under zidane. They just don't look hungry anymore to me. Couldn't even follow some basic tactical instructions all season long. Perhaps it's because they played too much over the last 3 years and it was a matter of fitness, but the way i see it, they just don't really care enough anymore to put that extra effort in...

Up top we've been saying it all along, sell and replace Bale, upgrade on Benzema.

We seriously got away with it against bayern, they whupped our butts for 180 minutes. At the very least we need a whole new bench. That is major surgery. We have 4 useful bench options right now, and we will finish the season having played 62 games. With another 60 last season, and 52 the one before. Plus internationals, the Euros and the upcoming WC. We need reliable fresh blood, badly, and in great quantity
What player would you like for the midfield? and CB?
 
I wasn't saying they weren't I was just asking the question regarding the shove on Mane at the start of the match
 
I know they'll be derided but Roma have had an excellent CL campaign especially at home.
 
I know they'll be derided but Roma have had an excellent CL campaign especially at home.

They paid the price for their first leg tactics which are maybe the worst I've ever seen in a big game.

The manager cost his side the victory there. If he'd done some research and noted how Liverpool play then Roma could have been in the final.
 
@MVBDX depth has been a serious problem for our defence this season. Our 4 backup options are Nacho, Theo, Vallejo and Achraf. 3 kids who have all shown to be not ready, and Nacho who is basically a starter since Sergio and especially Varane are just not reliable to stay fit.

Perhaps the kids will grow enough be capable backups over the summer. Point is, should we risk it? Even for the players themselves, should we stick with Vallejo/Achraf and hope either we never need them or they progress enough to play, or should we send them on loan to play and grow?

At the end of the day it is a fact that we're thin at CB and FB. After this season i'd rather have a CB barely playing because he's 5th choice, rather than going into pivotal CL games with 20 year Vallejo who played 2 games all season and no backups, or Lucas starting at RB against Ribery and Alaba.

As for the midfield, our composition always had pros and cons(both quite obvious and clear to anyone who's seen us play in the last 2 years), but this season the cons surpassed the pros, and i'm not sure whether it's a fluke or a pattern. Either the coach starts trusting the backups more and stops treating them as untouchable no matter what, or we might have a problem here. Hence why i'd be for making changes
 
What player would you like for the midfield? and CB?
Koulibaly+1 experienced non-crock. Depending on Varane and Vallejo, maybe also either another fit body at CB or a backup RB for your namesake

In midfield i'd like Pogba for Kroos, think his skillset meshes better with Modric than the german's. Otherwise, a great athlete. Someone quick, fast, and with great stamina, and of course with the skill to play for us. Wouldn't mind Thiago at all. Vidal if he were a few years younger. Wet dream is Saul, it's never happening though :(. Honestly if Kovacic could ever put everything together we'd be set. Ceballos needs a proper chance, as does Llorente, especially because Casemiro didn't have a good season and is often a liability against teams like bayern
 


Wow. This is as handball as it gets. And a red card for TAA too which would make things very very difficult for the scousers. Not to mention the other unfair decisions against Roma. Maybe that's why they say ''you will never walk alone!'' ?
 
So United’s 7 league titles prior to the creation of the Premier League don’t count?
It’s just a nice counter to an earlier poster who was calling all European Cups the CL.
Either way, according to everyone on the planet, it will be 6 if we win no matter what. Except to only the most bitter of fans.
 
It’s just a nice counter to an earlier poster who was calling all European Cups the CL.
Either way, according to everyone on the planet, it will be 6 if we win no matter what. Except to only the most bitter of fans.
No need to worry about it then. ;)
 
Our lack of midfield depth is killing us .
True and TAA scared me today. Lovren terrifies me and our keeper. VVD and Robertson are solid. Maybe VVD should stay on Alexander-Arnolds side. Clyne probably isn’t ready although at his best I would pick him instead of TAA
 
No need to worry about it then. ;)
I never thought we could beat Milan in 05. No confidence. This time I just think when we are on that we can beat anyone with no problems. I just hope Madrid play into our hands. I really hope they play with some arrogance.
 
The LFC Robertson signing actually pisses me off next level. Some PL scouts need to be sacked. It doesn't take a genius to see that Robertson was a quality left back at Hull. What the feck were our scouts doing with their dick in the hands when we have Shaw, Blind and Young as our left backs?

There were two LB to sign from the Championship: Robertson and Charlie Taylor
 
Didn’t deserve to beat City(plenty of awful referring went against them), and definitely Roma should have had 2 penalities and had Liverpool’s Arnold sent off! But seriously, how do people think they deserved it when they got ‘lucky’ with easy draws in the KOs(Porto and Roma) and plenty of referring decisions going their way in the Quaters and Semis?

And I’m literally not being biased at all! These are just facts, and Roma would have beaten Liverpool on aggregates if not for those awful referring decisions? Liverpool really do have a strong front 3, Salah, Mane and Ferminho have done really well, and their LB is great going forward but their midfield and defense are definitely not even near with the best in Europe!
 
Mmmh, I was wondering today that if we would have had the VAR in this year's UCL semis, the final would probably be Bayern vs Roma now. :confused:
 
Mmmh, I was wondering today that if we would have had the VAR in this year's UCL semis, the final would probably be Bayern vs Roma now. :confused:

Bayern probably , Roma I do not think. Liverpool was superior overall, they conceded chances when the slowed down in both legs. If Roma had scored I think they would have upped the tempo and scored more, quite easily. They were the better teams despite the decisions. But while Bayern dominated both legs and was just too little cynical , Roma was dominated for three quarters of the tie and could have been beaten more widely.