Champions League Round of 16 (13th Feb - 14th Mar)

Because these two are truly world-class, which no English team has been for the last few years. That's the big difference between the leagues atm.
No it is because the top 2 teams in the league are easily much richer then the rest of the teams and are 2 of the top 3 richest in the world.....

The EPL has many clubs with very similar revenue. As I said any of the top 6 can win it at any given time.
 
We deserved feck all from that. Where to start - I have no idea.

They are a high pressing aggressive side and we all knew it. Yet we went in with a one man midfield. Warnings were already there yet he did nothing until we conceded two. After that change we were worse because no one had a clue where to play. Smalling forward, Mata as centre back .

Atleast we should have stayed composed and pushed for the goal. One goal conceded, it was like house of cards.

We were not going to win this , guaranteed. Going out against Sevilla is also fine but atleast expected a fight .
 
United looked scared, frozen, left reliant on hoping to nick a goal and then park the bus ... and this at home, against one of the weaker teams left in the competition.

So in the end they got what they deserved for playing so negatively - and in such a limp manner - and giving Seville so much time and space on the ball.

Totally agree. Deserved to lose tonight. Wrong attitude from everyone. Cowardly display.
 
Hey @Kraftwerker , how prophetic were the words of advice from last week? Since you like to point out my predictions more than anyone else. Almost every word oozes with knowing. :) I know, even a broken clock, blah.

@Cal? You mentioned away goals are overstated. Tonight both teams were adversely affected. Utd coming away goalless was always going keep Sevilla relaxed knowing one goal meant two which would eventually be enough. And it was. And then some.
If you hadn't noticed, we didn't lose on away goals.
 
No it is because the top 2 teams in the league are easily much richer then the rest of the teams and are 2 of the top 3 richest in the world.....

The EPL has many clubs with very similar revenue. As I said any of the top 6 can win it at any given time.

Yes, the EPL clubs have the same kind of revenue but they don't perform like that on the pitch as you can see in the European competitions. That was exactly my point. While Barca and Real perform like world class teams the English teams haven't done so in the last few years and that is the reason why the EPL is less predictable. So it's actually down to the top teams being worse than they should be and not because the EPL is so competetive and overall better than the Spanish league.
 
Yes, the EPL clubs have the same kind of revenue but they don't perform like that on the pitch as you can see in the European competitions. That was exactly my point. While Barca and Real perform like world class teams the English teams haven't done so in the last few years and that is the reason why the EPL is less predictable. So it's actually down to the top teams being worse than they should be and not because the EPL is so competetive and overall better than the Spanish league.
That point is invalid because even when EPL teams were good in Europe the EPL was still just as competitive. This is not just something that happened it has always been this way.
 
Hey @Kraftwerker , how prophetic were the words of advice from last week? Since you like to point out my predictions more than anyone else. Almost every word oozes with knowing. :) I know, even a broken clock, blah.

@Cal? You mentioned away goals are overstated. Tonight both teams were adversely affected. Utd coming away goalless was always going keep Sevilla relaxed knowing one goal meant two which would eventually be enough. And it was. And then some.

No argument from me about tonight. But you can’t seriously be patting yourself on the back for a prediction that amounts to “water is probably wet”. No shit, 0-0 away from home meant Sevilla were still bang in the tie, who knew!

Similarly if I predict that Liverpool will get binned out by the first decent team they face. I’m not exactly pushing the boat out am I?

Anyway, enjoy your night of lonely furious masturbation on a Man United forum. A life well lived.
 
That point is invalid because even when EPL teams were good in Europe the EPL was still just as competitive. This is not just something that happened it has always been this way.
Tired of this going in circles and cluttering the thread

You're saying the PL is the best in terms of entertainment. You're not saying the PL is the strongest league. Correct?
 
Yes. La Liga teams are strongest as shown in Europe but the EPL is best in terms of entertainment and competitiveness as I have reiterated 10x. With that being said let bygones be bygones with the others as they have there opinion set.
 
No it is because the top 2 teams in the league are easily much richer then the rest of the teams and are 2 of the top 3 richest in the world.....

The EPL has many clubs with very similar revenue. As I said any of the top 6 can win it at any given time.

The top 2 teams in the EPL are much richer than the rest of the league, hugely so. There was once an argument for Chelsea but they have put the brakes on hard.

In the last 10 years the PL has had City, United, Chelsea and Leicester, La Liga has had Barca, Real and Atletico.
So 4 different winners of the PL (one a total once off) and 3 in La Liga. There is nothing to suggest any of the top 6 can win it. The arrival of Pep and Jose only maybe rams this home more.

In the last 10 years England has had 6 different FA Cup winners, Spain have had 5 different CDR winners (Barca, RM, AM, Sevilla and Valencia)

In the last 10 years, 7 different teams have made up Englands top 4 (CL positions)
City, Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool, Man United, Leicester, Arsenal

During the same period in Spain have had 9 different teams in the top 4 (CL positions)
Barca, Real, Atletico, Sevilla, Villarreal, Valencia, Bilbao, Sociedad, Malaga,

Yes Spains top 2 are more dominant because they are 2 of the best sides of all time with Atletico sandwiched in between at times but there is no way the PL can claim to be more competitive.
 
No it is because the top 2 teams in the league are easily much richer then the rest of the teams and are 2 of the top 3 richest in the world.....

The EPL has many clubs with very similar revenue. As I said any of the top 6 can win it at any given time.

Arsneal haven't challenged for the league for years

Spurs have never seriously challenged and have never won the league

United haven't won the league since 2013 and haven't challenged since then

Only Chelsea and City win it regularly or are thereabouts.

What is this top 6 myth?

The EPL title race hasn't been competitive since Liverpool challenged City in 13/14.
 
Cool. Have you seen that their has been a different winner in each of the past 5 EPL seasons? or the fact that fecking Leicester won it? Believe me I understand and agree that Spanish teams have been better then the English in recent years BUT La liga is just not as competitive as the EPL no league is and that is just fact. People confuse what being the best league in the world is.
You confuse competitive with parity.
 
The top 2 teams in the EPL are much richer than the rest of the league, hugely so. There was once an argument for Chelsea but they have put the brakes on hard.

In the last 10 years the PL has had City, United, Chelsea and Leicester, La Liga has had Barca, Real and Atletico.
So 4 different winners of the PL (one a total once off) and 3 in La Liga. There is nothing to suggest any of the top 6 can win it. The arrival of Pep and Jose only maybe rams this home more.

In the last 10 years England has had 6 different FA Cup winners, Spain have had 5 different CDR winners (Barca, RM, AM, Sevilla and Valencia)

In the last 10 years, 7 different teams have made up Englands top 4 (CL positions)
City, Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool, Man United, Leicester, Arsenal

During the same period in Spain have had 9 different teams in the top 4 (CL positions)
Barca, Real, Atletico, Sevilla, Villarreal, Valencia, Bilbao, Sociedad, Malaga,

Yes Spains top 2 are more dominant because they are 2 of the best sides of all time with Atletico sandwiched in between at times but there is no way the PL can claim to be more competitive.
The notion remains the same. those numbers are close and all but numbers don't always tell the story. The champions in England might have been the "same" but look at who came second or 3rd heck even 4th but lets focus on second. 13/14 Liverpool could have and should have won it if not for a monumental collapse Spurs could have won it vs Leicester and fought all the way through. Even when United were at their peak Arsenal ,Liverpool, Chelsea, Manchester City, Blackburn, Newcastle all were second place teams. That is where the notion of " Any top 6 can win it any given season" statement comes in for example in United peak they were the most likely to win the title BUT their was still very good chance that they could lose it and almost did because any of the top teams can even if they don't. City and United decided a title on goal difference for fecks sake in the 93 min of a game. My point being that even though the number 3 and 4 is close in terms of how many different champions the top 2 as per usual ALWAYS. stay the same in Spain if Barca don't win then Madrid will most likely win and vice versa bar Atletico recently but that will not happen again anytime soon. Do you get my point now?
 
Arsneal haven't challenged for the league for years

Spurs have never seriously challenged and have never won the league

United haven't won the league since 2013 and haven't challenged since then

Only Chelsea and City win it regularly or are thereabouts.

What is this top 6 myth?

The EPL title race hasn't been competitive since Liverpool challenged City in 13/14.
Leicester and Spurs ? they went the distance United was 5 years ago Liverpool nearly.
 
Once again has nothing to do with the fact that the league is more competitive. Chelsea ran away with it last year and are 4th this year there is no guarantee City will run away with it next year that is an ASSUMPTION where as we all know who the top 2 in La liga will be next year. That is where im getting at predictability in the league. Every season is a new season in EPL because ANY of the top 6 can win it as unlikely as it may be for some of them they only need some good signings and some luck ala Leicester. Now Leicester will probably never win it again but does that mean another team cant? of course not. Is it rather unlikely? But of course but it CAN happen hence the beauty of the Epl. 99% of the time RM and Barca are top 2.

Except going into this season NO ONE had Barca winning the league and Madrid finishing third. Atletico are comfortably going to finish second

Man city were heavy favorites going into this season and the league title like most epl years has no drama.

Madrid were supposed to run away with La Liga and they’ve done the complete opposite. Epl teams lack consistency don’t confuse that for parity.

La Liga is comfortably the best league in the world
 
Leicester and Spurs ? they went the distance United was 5 years ago Liverpool nearly.

They didn't. Leicester win the league with like 3 games in hand. Spurs came 3rd that season and were never challengers tbh. The gap was always to big.

The league itself isn't competive. There is no title race really. Chelsea won the league at a canter twice. City making the league look like the bundesliga and serie A.

La Liga is ually the only league that the title goes to the last day
 
Except going into this season NO ONE had Barca winning the league and Madrid finishing third. Atletico are comfortably going to finish second

Man city were heavy favorites going into this season and the league title like most epl years has no drama.

Madrid were supposed to run away with La Liga and they’ve done the complete opposite. Epl teams lack consistency don’t confuse that for parity.

La Liga is comfortably the best league in the world
So what your saying is Madrid didn't win it bit surprise surprise Barca won it ? wow hell of a shocker.
 
They didn't. Leicester win the league with like 3 games in hand. Spurs came 3rd that season and were never challengers tbh. The gap was always to big.

The league itself isn't competive. There is no title race really. Chelsea won the league at a canter twice. City making the league look like the bundesliga and serie A.

La Liga is ually the only league that the title goes to the last day
LMAO mate Spurs went second and how is man city making it a Bundesliga or Serie A if they have never won it back to back. Check yourself mate you are speaking bollocks.
 
LMAO mate Spurs went second and how is man city making it a Bundesliga or Serie A if they have never won it back to back. Check yourself mate you are speaking bollocks.

This stuff is readily available. Maybe double check before embarrassing yourself.
http://www.skysports.com/premier-league-table/2015

I'm referring to points gap. There is no tension in any of the league races. Last season, no tension, season before, no tension, Leicester won it by 10 points with 2/3 games to spare, no tension.

City have a 16 point gap and will win it with 6 points. 0 competition. Not difficult to understand.
 
This stuff is readily available. Maybe double check before embarrassing yourself.
http://www.skysports.com/premier-league-table/2015

I'm referring to points gap. There is no tension in any of the league races. City have a 16 point gap. Not difficult to understand.
I apologize as I confused Arsenal and Spurs standings by 1 point. Now your statement that it is like Bundesliga or Serie A remains bollocks as I stated their is a different winner even year it is not one sole team dominating. Barcelona as well have been running away with the league for most of the season. My points still stand the top 2 in la liga are predictable and always the same.
 
I apologize as I confused Arsenal and Spurs standings by 1 point. Now your statement that it is like Bundesliga or Serie A remains bollocks as I stated their is a different winner even year it is not one sole team dominating. Barcelona as well have been running away with the league for most of the season. My points still stand the top 2 in la liga are predictable and always the same.

But that's no an indication of competiveness for me, though.

There is no tension in any of the league races. Last season, no tension, season before, no tension, Leicester won it by 10 points with 2/3 games to spare, no tension.

City have a 16 point gap and will win it with 6 points. 0 competition.

Atletico will probably come second though and Madrid the best team in Europe are 4th and reigning champs are 4th.


City are the only top team in the league hence why they are making the league look like Pep did when he was at Bayern and Barcelona
 
But that's no an indication of competiveness for me, though.

There is no tension in any of the league races. Last season, no tension, season before, no tension, Leicester won it by 10 points with 2/3 games to spare, no tension.

City have a 16 point gap and will win it with 6 points. 0 competition.

Atletico will probably come second though and Madrid the best team in Europe are 4th and reigning champs are 4th.


City are the only top team in the league hence why they are making the league look like Pep did when he was at Bayern and Barcelona
Leicester winning the league by 10 point in itself was tension because it was Leicester who did it. As I said it is more unpredictable even if they end up winning by 10 points. Barcelona and Madrid are always fighting for it neck and neck because they are 2 of the best 3 teams in the world. For the most Part the points difference between top 2 in Spain to the 3rd place team is substantial. Maybe City are winning by 16 because gee maybe they truly re that good. If at the start of every la liga season you can already guess who the top 2 will be where as in the EPL you can not then I would say there is a competitive gap there.
 
First time since I've joined this forum that I've seen so many United fans completely write off a good opponent.

I mean some were apprehensive after the first leg, but a lot were acting as this was going to be a walk in the park.
 
First time since I've joined this forum that I've seen so many United fans completely write off a good opponent.

I mean some were apprehensive after the first leg, but a lot were acting as this was going to be a walk in the park.

We could have drawn Bayern, Juve or Real instead. We should expect to advance over a side like Sevilla.
 
First time since I've joined this forum that I've seen so many United fans completely write off a good opponent.

I mean some were apprehensive after the first leg, but a lot were acting as this was going to be a walk in the park.
Tbh this is the worst Sevilla from the last 10 or 15 years, Mourinho deserved to be sacked after today imo.
 
Sevilla arent great. They are bad in their league recently. Any top side will smash them. The only really good players they have are Nzonzi, Lenglet (boss tonight) and Ben Yedder ( Montella doesnt like him too much). The rest are decent, but they have no chance against anyone outside of Roma or maybe Liverpool at a stretch.
 
Sevilla arent great. They are bad in their league recently. Any top side will smash them. The only really good players they have are Nzonzi, Lenglet (boss tonight) and Ben Yedder ( Montella doesnt like him too much). The rest are decent, but they have no chance against anyone outside of Roma or maybe Liverpool at a stretch.
They'll give us trouble, they have a lot of qualities that are kryptonite for us and we'll leave them a lot of space. We are capable of opening them up though.
 
They'll give us trouble, they have a lot of qualities that are kryptonite for us and we'll leave them a lot of space. We are capable of opening them up though.

I dont know, they can play a bit, but look toothless up front. They manage the transition well from defense to offense, but cant score enough goals. Ben Yedder is bloody good though, looks like Messi compared to Muriel
 
Sevilla arent great. They are bad in their league recently. Any top side will smash them. The only really good players they have are Nzonzi, Lenglet (boss tonight) and Ben Yedder ( Montella doesnt like him too much). The rest are decent, but they have no chance against anyone outside of Roma or maybe Liverpool at a stretch.

The only reason why I would give Sevilla a chance against Liverpool is the EL Final and their two draws against them in the group stages. On paper Liverpool should wipe the floor with them.
 
You're a really rubbish poster. Genuinely. If you'd had the bottle to post about your loss at the weekend like some of the other scousers here people could appreciate your opinions more but instead you're a trolling cretin who adds little to discussion and only turns up when things go your own way.

Laughable.
I see the resident troll is getting a taste of his own medicine today. Ironically though, I understand your frustration too :)

Coming to footballing matters - people calling for Jose's head are way off the mark. I sometimes feel United and Liverpool fans are at two extremes of a spectrum at least in one sense - Liverpool fans tend to defend their players/managers/performances longer than required and United fans tend to turn on theirs too quickly.

I would agree that there is no excuse for performances like yesterday but the same team/tactics also shut down a supposedly rampant Liverpool less than a week ago. I am no Mourinho lover and pretty much hate his footballing brand, but saying that the guy has 'forgotten' how to win or 'the game has passed him' is just silly. Didn't he won 2 trophies last season and is still in the hunt for another one this year too?
 
Imagine if they got City or Liverpool and got smashed. That'd be quite annoying.

Make no mistake, City/Liverpool will put 5 past them at home. They won't sit back in their own half and pass the ball sideways waiting for Sevilla to come at them, that's for sure.
 
I see the resident troll is getting a taste of his own medicine today. Ironically though, I understand your frustration too :)

Coming to footballing matters - people calling for Jose's head are way off the mark. I sometimes feel United and Liverpool fans are at two extremes of a spectrum at least in one sense - Liverpool fans tend to defend their players/managers/performances longer than required and United fans tend to turn on theirs too quickly.

I would agree that there is no excuse for performances like yesterday but the same team/tactics also shut down a supposedly rampant Liverpool less than a week ago. I am no Mourinho lover and pretty much hate his footballing brand, but saying that the guy has 'forgotten' how to win or 'the game has passed him' is just silly. Didn't he won 2 trophies last season and is still in the hunt for another one this year too?

I have said for a while that I do not like Mourinho, I often do not enjoy watching us play, I wish he was not our manager but, results wise it would be completely unfair to sack him. Right now I am just hoping PSG come by with the money truck over the summer to take Mourinho off our hands.
 
Now stay the feck away from us in the quarters!

Haha, yeah I actually agree. I don't want another Sevilla vs Liverpool round either. But I bet we will end up against each other, it is meant to be:rolleyes:
 
ffs I cannot believe you've been knocked out. The one positive to going out to Juve was that we'd have less matches than our competitors but it looks like Man Utd and Chelsea are following us right out.
 
ffs I cannot believe you've been knocked out. The one positive to going out to Juve was that we'd have less matches than our competitors but it looks like Man Utd and Chelsea are following us right out.
Hope Chelsea join the party soon, so we can battle it out fair and square for the prestigious FA Cup :angel:
 
Hope Chelsea join the party soon, so we can battle it out fair and square for the prestigious FA Cup :angel:

Sounds great, then we can sit there calling whichever of the other 2 clubs doesn't win it (assuming it is one of us three) bottlers. :D