Champions League Last 16 games - Feb/Mar 2015

People are just a tad romantic about their football and like to believe that top teams will always go for victory, in particular at home in a decisive game.

Yeah but seemingly only when it is with rival teams.

When United were boring everyone in 2008/09 or grinding out vs Barca I bet they didnt care.

Like I said hardly anyone is mentioning Bayern today. Played even worse, created even less vs a worse side and got a worse result.
 
Mighty Chelsea against a hospitalized PSG. What an amazing attacking game by Mou and Chelsea. I am sure Chelsea supporters gets pleased easily.

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You actually missed the stonewall penalty? Ramires tripped up Pastore (?) In the box.
Come on, those sort of incidents will be given 0 times in 1000 games.
 
Yeah but seemingly only when it is with rival teams.

When United were boring everyone in 2008/09 or grinding out vs Barca I bet they didnt care.

Like I said hardly anyone is mentioning Bayern today. Played even worse, created even less vs a worse side and got a worse result.

Bayern had 8 shots to Shakhtar's 1 (only 1 on target), 64% possession and created the best chances of the game from what I've seen. PSG were better than Chelsea today, finishing let them down. It's irrelevant though because Chelsea come away with a good result and will likely progress and so will Bayern.
 
lol repeated fouling? lets talk about repeat offender david luiz then....where was his yellow?? you know it is possible to take off those red tints when you watch football right...what colour were chelsea's shirts tonight when mixed with the yellow? orange?
 
It's an away tie in the champions league against a top team, what do you want them to do? Result is all that counts, Fergie learned to do that and we did that constantly in his latter years when we actually became good in the champions league. You can't just look to play great football in every game. Nothing wrong with their style.

Absolutely right. i remember when we struggled away from home in the CL in the earlier years, and I just wanted us to learn how to control the game and not be tactically naive chasing rainbows when it wasn't necessary. One games against Juve away '96 or '97, I think we had pretty much zero chances showed how difficult it is away from home at this level.
 
lol repeated fouling? lets talk about repeat offender david luiz then....where was his yellow?? you know it is possible to take off those red tints when you watch football right...what colour were chelsea's shirts tonight when mixed with the yellow? orange?

Luiz wasn't really fouling much tonight. Verratti certainly should have been booked earlier though, but then I never claimed the referee was harsh on PSG...
 
lol repeated fouling? lets talk about repeat offender david luiz then....where was his yellow?? you know it is possible to take off those red tints when you watch football right...what colour were chelsea's shirts tonight when mixed with the yellow? orange?

Matic wasn't doing any less. Luiz did 6, Matic 5. Both didn't get any yellow. Though I would say most of the 50-50 calls went for Chelsea.
 
Completely irrelevant. It's a foul, it's a penalty and you obviously agree.
It's a penalty if you go by the book.
But it's not a penalty any team in professional football can reasonably expect to be given. I've never seen a referee pointing to the spot for that kind of action. So it would be ridiculous if a referee actually did it.
 
It's a penalty if you go by the book.
But it's not a penalty any team in professional football can reasonably expect to be given. I've never seen a referee pointing to the spot for that kind of action. So it would be ridiculous if a referee actually did it.

No it wouldn't. It would be following the rules.
 
It's a penalty if you go by the book.
But it's not a penalty any team in professional football can reasonably expect to be given. I've never seen a referee pointing to the spot for that kind of action. So it would be ridiculous if a referee actually did it.

You say it as if it happens often. The only other time I remember an incident like that was when Eto'o fouled Suárez in the box and yes, in that case you're shithouse team also escaped punishment.

It's a penalty all day long. How can you dispute it?
 
Becuase this is the thread for both games. Seems noone willing to critisize Pep and Bayern for playing so poorly.

I would criticize Bayern/Pep after I watch the match. I usually watch one game at-a-time, tonight wasn't any exception. Why were you watching how Bayern play when Chelsea was playing tonight?
 
You say it as if it happens often. The only other time I remember an incident like that was when Eto'o fouled Suárez in the box and yes, in that case you're shithouse team also escaped punishment.
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A case of selective memory I guess. There is in average probably one foul off the ball in the penalty area per game and I've never seen them given.
Last time I consciously remember was Smalling on Ivanovic.
 
Luiz wasn't really fouling much tonight. Verratti certainly should have been booked earlier though, but then I never claimed the referee was harsh on PSG...

but you claim the ref was chelsea's best player? I don't really know what you're saying. I know you love liverpool and hate chelsea, that is quite clear...
 
It's a penalty if you go by the book.
But it's not a penalty any team in professional football can reasonably expect to be given. I've never seen a referee pointing to the spot for that kind of action. So it would be ridiculous if a referee actually did it.

That's really a stupid way of seeing things.
 
No it wouldn't. It would be following the rules.
No, it would be suddenly interpreting the rules in a weird way.
That's really a stupid way of seeing things.
Reality sometimes is stupid ... unfair or whatever you might call it but at the end it is the only reality.
 
but you claim the ref was chelsea's best player? I don't really know what you're saying. I know you love liverpool and hate chelsea, that is quite clear...

You know it wasn't a serious claim, right?

Though I do think the referee was abysmal and don't dispute the last line either.
 
Hazard got a foul any time he went down, Cesc should have been sent off, Matić booked, clear PSG penalty....

Chelsea got away with murder. It's about time someone clamped down on their systematic fouling.
They are not the only team that does that though. Barcelona under Guardiola used to do that regularly in the opposition half to stop counter-attacks and his Bayern do that a lot now too. City do it in games also and I remember Wenger complaining about it after the game (the fixture back in September) when it was used against his team. Madrid have done it over the years too and I remember them doing it during that run of consecutive victories earlier this season.
 
Barca and Bayern have really clouded the general idea of playing away in the Champions League. Asides from those two, virtually every other team will play defensive and counter when possible.

In spite of that, I do think we were overly negative (often it is justified) as PSG aren't a great team. They definitely improved second half but I feel that was more due to us sitting back and allowing them to play.

The referee was consistent in that he was reluctant to book anyone. A lot of players (on both sides) could have been booked but the ref seemed to allow things to go. PSG should have had a pen. What Ramires was doing, I have absolutely no idea.

Hazard needs to run with the ball more or run down the line into space as opposed to the now predictable (albeit hard to stop) coming short and standing still.

A good result but a poorly executed defensive performance. Lucky to end up with a point after a stellar first half performance.
 
The ridiculous anti-Chelsea sentiment on here from the same posters week after week is really making the football forum tough for me to read.

I preferred it when people didn't give a shit about us.
 
The ridiculous anti-Chelsea sentiment on here from the same posters week after week is really making the football forum tough for me to read.

I preferred it when people didn't give a shit about us.


Some of the posters here seem to pay more attention to the team they hate rather than the team they support.
 
Well Hazard doesn't technically dive, he just exaggerates contact and gets too many soft free kicks every game.

He gets kicked, he falls over. It's quite a simple process, and one that keeps happening because he's incredibly quick on his feet and is happy to turn the ball into areas where he knows the defender will foul him. What part of this do you disapprove of exactly?
 
The ridiculous anti-Chelsea sentiment on here from the same posters week after week is really making the football forum tough for me to read.

I preferred it when people didn't give a shit about us.

Its mostly the non United contingent though, you know the fans of teams that dont really know what its like to be successful in the past decade and sit there in frustration as we rake in the honours most seasons!
 
Sounds exactly like De Gea

They do they exact same thing with De Gea.

:lol: I knew people would say this. The only game I can think of where the praise was OTT for De Gea was the Arsenal away game. All those saves were pretty routine yet apparently he had a blinder. De Gea was harshly criticised when he first joined whereas Courtois has people falling over themselves to praise him ever since he arrived in England despite the fact he has done very little. Our game against Chelsea in October was really bizarre. He made a few catches unopposed underneath his crossbar and Gary Neville was saying how dominant he was. He got MOTM even though he only made one decent save.

If that header from Ibra had gone in serious questions would have been asked.
 
Why are people still on about the City game. It has clearly proven to be the right decision, as we could have easily had the lead cut to 2 points and City with momentum, Instead they dropped points in the next game and the lead was 7 points. Some people have such a simplistic view on football, I blame Playstation.
Believe me, I haven't touched a play station in about 10 years. It's not about whether it was the right decision or not, it was just an example to sum up what Mourinho is all about. His approach is always safety first no matter what the situation. It results in highly efficient teams who barely ever lose. I just feel that if you have the finances, status and profile of a big team, you owe your fans a bit more than efficiency. It is of course fine on the occasional game but with Mourinho it is his go to plan whenever things are slightly tight, it's a bit small time as far as I'm concerned which I believe Chelsea are not and should not be satisfied with.
 
Barca and Bayern have really clouded the general idea of playing away in the Champions League. Asides from those two, virtually every other team will play defensive and counter when possible.
And their away record in the CL under Guardiola wasn't so great. Sometimes teams in great form that are playing great football can make away ties look easy (like Madrid last year and Bayern the year before) but in general caution is sometimes necessary. That said I do think Mourinho is too defensive for his own good sometimes and while it has gained him success, I also think it has cost him at times (I think being defensive this season cost him victories against United and City away and almost vs Liverpool away where they dominated most of the match but late on started defending deep and as a result Liverpool grew in confidence and started creating more and should have had a penalty late on). Some of his great triumphs have actually come from being risky and going for the kill (like his Inter beating Barcelona 3-1 and when his Madrid team beat Barcelona 2-1 at the Nou Camp to seal the title in 2012, his instructions were that if Barcelona got the equaliser to keep attacking and go for the winner and that is exactly what happened).
 
He gets kicked, he falls over. It's quite a simple process, and one that keeps happening because he's incredibly quick on his feet and is happy to turn the ball into areas where he knows the defender will foul him. What part of this do you disapprove of exactly?

The part you left out: when he falls over at being touched by opposition arms or hands rather than being kicked. Contact isn't always a foul.

Also the part where Hazard goes looking for free kicks instead of getting on with his game, it's one of the very few things holding him back.
 
Believe me, I haven't touched a play station in about 10 years. It's not about whether it was the right decision or not, it was just an example to sum up what Mourinho is all about. His approach is always safety first no matter what the situation. It results in highly efficient teams who barely ever lose. I just feel that if you have the finances, status and profile of a big team, you owe your fans a bit more than efficiency. It is of course fine on the occasional game but with Mourinho it is his go to plan whenever things are slightly tight, it's a bit small time as far as I'm concerned which I believe Chelsea are not and should not be satisfied with.

Skewed logic and smacks of insecurity (whether true or not). Nothing wrong with Mourinho's approach. Either you like it or you don't, but he wins. If they (Chelsea supporters) don't want him they can campaign to get him out. Don't see that happening, do you? It's football godammit, and it's the variety of ways you can play which is arguably the most fascinating part of the game, because one thing is for sure, the common goal for all teams is to win!