Chain Draft (Main Thread)

@The Stain but its easier with the club names as you dont have to search at which club is someone in the chain, you see Figo(Real) and you know where he can go from there without going back few pages to see which link did he use + it looks cool as you see the path of the chain :)
 
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mazhar13: 1. P. Falcao 2. di Bartolomei 3. Tassotti
antohan: 1. Facchetti 2. Boninsegna 3. Scirea
MJJ (crappy): 1. Romario 2. Guardiola 3. Figo
Joga Bonito (Annah): 1. Didi 2. N.Santos 3. J.Bauer
Cal?: 1. Ribery 2. Robben 3. Cannavaro
diarm: 1. R. Baggio 2. Tacconi 3. Tardelli
green_smiley: 1. Nordahl 2. Schiaffino 3. Ghezzi
Cutch: 1. Passarella 2. Bergomi 3.
bleezy: 1. M. Laudrup 2. Stoichkov 3.
Sjor Bepo: 1. Gento 2. Amancio Amaro 3.
EAP: 1. Breitner 2. K H Rummenigge 3.
Skizzo (Pat): 1. J. Charles 2. O. Sivori 3.
The Stain: 1. Robson 2. Giggs 3.
berbasloth4: 1. Sir B. Charlton 2. Law 3.
Kazi: 1. S. Mazzola 2. Luisito Suarez 3.
Tuppet (VivaJ): 1. Van Hanegem 2. Gullit 3.

BLOCKED PLAYERS:

Puskas, Di Stefano, Edwards, Garrincha, Pele, Eusebio, Best, Beckenbauer, Gerd Müller, Cruyff, Neeskens, Zico, Platini, Boniek, Maradona, Matthäus, Baresi, Maldini, Rijkaard, van Basten, Desailly, L. Ronaldo, Redondo, Seedorf, Keane, Zidane, Thuram, Ronaldinho, C. Ronaldo, Iniesta, Xavi, Messi.

@Cutch
 
mazhar13: 1. P. Falcao 2. di Bartolomei (Roma) 3. Tassotti (Milan)
antohan: 1. Facchetti 2. Boninsegna (Inter) 3. Scirea (Juventus)
MJJ (crappy): 1. Romario 2. Guardiola (Barca) 3. Figo (Barca)
Joga Bonito (Annah): 1. Didi 2. N.Santos (Botafogo) 3. J.Bauer (Botafogo)
Cal?: 1. Ribery 2. Robben (Bayern) 3. Cannavaro (Real)
diarm: 1. R. Baggio 2. Tacconi (Juve) 3. Tardelli (Juve)
green_smiley: 1. Nordahl 2. Schiaffino (Milan) 3.
Cutch: 1. Passarella 2. Bergomi (Inter) 3.
bleezy: 1. M. Laudrup 2. Stoichkov (Barca) 3.
Sjor Bepo: 1. Gento 2. Amancio Amaro (Real) 3.
EAP: 1. Breitner 2. K H Rummenigge (Bayern) 3.
Skizzo (Pat): 1. J. Charles 2. O. Sivori (Juventus) 3.
The Stain: 1. Robson 2. Giggs (United) 3.
berbasloth4: 1. Sir B. Charlton 2. Law (United) 3.
Kazi: 1. S. Mazzola 2. Luisito Suarez (Inter) 3.
Tuppet (VivaJ): 1. Van Hanegem 2. Gullit (Feyenoord) 3.

BLOCKED PLAYERS:

Puskas, Di Stefano, Edwards, Garrincha, Pele, Eusebio, Best, Beckenbauer, Gerd Müller, Cruyff, Neeskens, Zico, Platini, Boniek, Maradona, Matthäus, Baresi, Maldini, Rijkaard, van Basten, Desailly, L. Ronaldo, Redondo, Seedorf, Keane, Zidane, Thuram, Ronaldinho, C. Ronaldo, Iniesta, Xavi, Messi.

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@The Stain but its easier with the club names as you dont have to search at which club is someone in the chain, you see Figo(Real) and you know where he can go from there without going back few pages to see which link did he use + it looks cool as you see the path of the chain :)

Sure but people can still cheat. People are cnuts.

That's more like it green_smiley! Use the template above with the club links in it, though. (gj antohan).
 
mazhar13: 1. P. Falcao 2. di Bartolomei (Roma) 3. Tassotti (Milan)
antohan: 1. Facchetti 2. Boninsegna (Inter) 3. Scirea (Juventus)
MJJ (crappy): 1. Romario 2. Guardiola (Barca) 3. Figo (Barca)
Joga Bonito (Annah): 1. Didi 2. N.Santos (Botafogo) 3. J.Bauer (Botafogo)
Cal?: 1. Ribery 2. Robben (Bayern) 3. Cannavaro (Real)
diarm: 1. R. Baggio 2. Tacconi (Juve) 3. Tardelli (Juve)
green_smiley: 1. Nordahl 2. Schiaffino (Milan) 3. Ghezzi (Milan)
Cutch: 1. Passarella 2. Bergomi (Inter) 3.
bleezy: 1. M. Laudrup 2. Stoichkov (Barca) 3.
Sjor Bepo: 1. Gento 2. Amancio Amaro (Real) 3.
EAP: 1. Breitner 2. K H Rummenigge (Bayern) 3.
Skizzo (Pat): 1. J. Charles 2. O. Sivori (Juventus) 3.
The Stain: 1. Robson 2. Giggs (United) 3.
berbasloth4: 1. Sir B. Charlton 2. Law (United) 3.
Kazi: 1. S. Mazzola 2. Luisito Suarez (Inter) 3.
Tuppet (VivaJ): 1. Van Hanegem 2. Gullit (Feyenoord) 3.

BLOCKED PLAYERS:

Puskas, Di Stefano, Edwards, Garrincha, Pele, Eusebio, Best, Beckenbauer, Gerd Müller, Cruyff, Neeskens, Zico, Platini, Boniek, Maradona, Matthäus, Baresi, Maldini, Rijkaard, van Basten, Desailly, L. Ronaldo, Redondo, Seedorf, Keane, Zidane, Thuram, Ronaldinho, C. Ronaldo, Iniesta, Xavi, Messi.
 
@Edgar Allan Pillow

Please clarify a few things:

1. Does Europa League/Uefa Cup count towards the 15?
2. National link, do they have to have played together at all? Eg can I go from Balotelli to Baresi?

1) By cups I understand he was leaving out the domestic cups and charity shield, etc. not the 2nd tier European competitions like UEFA/Euro/CWC. Not for appearances.

2) Yes, at least one international which can't be a friendly. I suppose things such as the Toulon tournament go under the category "friendly" as he specifically referred to WC/Euro and their qualifiers (eurocentric, much?).
 
I thought we get 8 hours, it was nowhere near me when I went to bed last night...

Yes, mate, everyone gets 8 hours.

@Edgar Allan Pillow

Please clarify a few things:

1. Does Europa League/Uefa Cup count towards the 15?
2. National link, do they have to have played together at all? Eg can I go from Balotelli to Baresi?

1. No. Just main leagues + CL
2. They should have played together in 1 match at least (not friendlies) Op says...

For NT card, it should be at least 1 match in any international tournament (i.e. no friendlies).
 
Personally, if a manager drops out at this stage I'd just carry on with 15. You have to preserve the integrity of it for those engaged, not for those who aren't. Someone just gets a free ticket to the next round. I sure wouldn't mind, games are dull as feck anyway.

Yes, any drop outs after this round, we'll just without...unless someone takes over the team as existing.

There's of course the usual gentleman's agreement to carry on waiting a few hours (particularly when things have moved quicker than usual and the eight hours were at an inconvenient time). But once that fails I reckon what preserves the integrity/fairness of it is that the turn is missed, to be recovered at the end once everyone is done (i.e. a 13th or even 14th turn).

I thought the rule was he picks when he comes back...not at the end of the round. In a couple of previous ones I played, it was when returning only, iirc!

What's the usual draft standard for this?
 
It was di Bartolomei who made me want to enter the Chain Draft. After reading up on him and watching some clips, I really wanted him to be represented in the draft scene. I am very excited to incorporate him into my team.
Great stuff, looking forward to seeing him in action. With Falcao next to him, it should be a really nice setup.

How mental was it that he never got capped, going be all accounts, though!
 
Yes, mate, everyone gets 8 hours.

1. No. Just main leagues + CL
2. They should have played together in 1 match at least (not friendlies) Op says...

Why exactly is it that the UEFA Cup doesn't count? It was a cracking tourno and all you are doing is giving a relative advantage to players from the one team per country per season to get more games under their belt.

Your main leagues +CL criterion is bollocks, any of the South American players will have an appearance record which doesn't reflect "league" but "any non-friendly game".
 
Great stuff, looking forward to seeing him in action. With Falcao next to him, it should be a really nice setup.

How mental was it that he never got capped, going be all accounts, though!
It was disappointing that the coach decided to go with workhorses in midfield, though Tardelli was really good on the ball, so I guess they didn't really miss him that much. Still, di Bartolomei for 80's Italy would have been :drool:.
 
Also, one of the few really good Goal.com articles from back in the day by Carlo Garganese about di Bartolomei:
As part of Goal.com’s build-up to Sunday night’s Derby della Capitale, Carlo Garganese tells the tragic tale of one of Roma’s greatest ever players and symbols – Agostino Di Bartlomei – who took his own life at the age of just 39…

Roma have boasted a long-list of inspirational captains over the years. *, *, *, and one of this weekend's derby skippers, *, are just a few of the leaders rightfully regarded as club legends. In *’s great team of the early 1980s, the captain and leader of the Giallorossi was the outstanding Agostino Di Bartolomei.

In 15 years at the club, Di Bartolomei played 308 games, scoring an impressive 66 goals and captaining the team 146 times. ‘Ago’, as he was known, helped form one of Europe’s most feared midfields, alongside *, *, * and the incomparable Brazilian Roberto Falcao. He led the team to the Scudetto in 1983, their first in more than 40 years, and only the second in their history. He also won three Coppa Italia winner’s medals in 1980, 1981 and 1984 and narrowly missed out on lifting the European Cup when Roma lost on penalties to Liverpool in the final in 1984.

Like * and * after him, Di Bartolomei had Roman blood bursting through his veins. Born and raised in one of the poor peripheral zones of the capital city, Ago was signed by Roma as a 14-year-old. After winning the youth championship, he made his senior debut at the age of just 18 against Giacinto Facchetti’s Inter on 22 March, 1973.
By the next season he had become a first-choice in the Roma midfield and with the exception of a season-long loan spell at Vicenza to ‘build up his bones’ in Serie B, Ago soon developed into an indispensable player for the Giallorossi. Di Bartolomei played the role of the regista, the central midfield ‘director’, a position made famous by *and which required a skilful playmaker who would distribute passes to the wings and the forwards and dictate the tempo of the game.

By the 1980s this position was beginning to disappear as coaches tended to favour midfielders who could press and tackle back. Perhaps this explains why Di Bartolomei was never called up for the Italian national team as coach Enzo Bearzot seemed to prefer the steel and substance of Marco Tardelli and * over the flair and fantasy of Di Bartolomei. A crime of gargantuan proportions, it certainly helps qualify Di Bartolomei as the greatest Italian never to play for his country.

Tall, elegant and skilful, with fantastic vision and technical ability, Di Bartolomei fulfilled all the requirements of the regista. He would regularly hit pinpoint 60-yard cross-field passes to a team-mates feet and could spot a through-ball that most other players did not believe existed. In a similar way to * today, Di Bartolomei never appeared to do much running or tackling back and for this reason he was often tormented by the criticism that he was lazy and slow. However, like *, his brilliance was unquestionable. Roma’s Swedish boss * said of him that “he never moved on the pitch without a reason. His passes were long, and perfect. He always ran with great elegance, with his head up.”

A creator of goals, Ago also boasted a superb scoring record for a midfielder, with a ratio of one goal in just over every four games. In the 1977-78 season he scored 10 (in a 16-team league), a tally most forwards would be proud of, whilst the season preceding that he chipped in with eight strikes. Even when in 1982 Di Bartolomei was moved into a more defensive position in front of the defence he continued to regularly find the back of the net, scoring seven league goals in the 1983 Scudetto-winning campaign.

Possessing a powerful shot, Di Bartolomei scored many thunderous long-range strikes during his career. He was also an exceptional penalty-taker, dispatching a number of vital spot-kicks. Perhaps the most crucial of these was during the European Cup semi-final second leg against Dundee United at the Olimpico in 1984. Trailing 2-0 from the first leg in Scotland, a penalty by Di Bartolomei helped Roma complete a miraculous comeback to win 3-0 on the night and book their place in the final against Liverpool. During the shoot-out in that final, Di Bartolomei kept his head to score, whilst others such as * and * buckled when faced by * ‘wobbly legs’.

Di Bartolomei described the final against Liverpool as “the game of his life” and it is difficult to disagree with him. Playing in front of his own fans, Ago was the undoubted man-of-the-match. While most of his team-mates froze amidst the intense expectation of the Giallorossi faithful, Di Bartolomei’s class shone throughout the game. He was at the centre of every Roma move and like his manager *, whom it is famously said, once went two seasons for Milan without misplacing a pass, Di Bartolomei was cool and collected, never wasting possession and looking dangerous every time he touched the ball.

After a 1-1 draw after extra time, the outcome of this match sadly ended with a defeat on penalties for Roma. However it could have concluded with Di Bartolomei lifting the cup in his own city, had the referee spotted a blatant foul on Roma keeper * in the build up to *’s goal for Liverpool.

Incredibly this proved to be one of Di Bartolomei’s last games for the club, as after the arrival of Sven Goran Eriksson as coach, Ago was inexplicably allowed to leave and join Milan. It was a transfer that he bitterly opposed and Ago gave a number of interviews in which he declared his unerring love for the Giallorossi: “Why am I leaving? I don’t know.” Just a month into his career at * he was reunited with his old team-mates as Roma visited the San Siro. As fate would have it Di Bartolomei scored as Milan won 2-1.

When Arrigo Sacchi arrived at San Siro in 1987, Di Bartolomei moved on again and he wound down his career at a series of provincial clubs before quitting football in 1990. Upon his retirement Roma offered Di Bartolomei nothing. After 15 years of fantastic service in which he undoubtedly earned himself the status of a club legend, Roma seemed to just abandon one of their greatest ever players.

Di Bartolomei began to suffer from severe bouts of depression as he struggled to adjust to a world outside of football. Some financial deals went wrong and a number of business plans stuttered, including the attempt to open a football school. On the morning of 30 May 1994, Di Bartolomei walked onto the balcony of his villa in San Marco di Castellabate and fatally shot himself through the heart. The date of Di Bartolomei’s suicide was significant. It was exactly ten years to the day of Roma’s European Cup Final defeat to Liverpool.

The time Di Bartolomei chose to take his life could not have been a coincidence, although the reasons for suicide are less clear. His suicide note tried to explain his decision. He had been refused a loan and was having some financial problems. “I can’t see any way out,” he concluded. Many ex-friends and players turned up at the funeral, including most of the
glorious 1980s Roma team that Di Bartolomei had captained.

Di Bartolomei is a person who will always have an indirect connection with my own life. I was born just minutes after Roma’s penalty defeat to Liverpool, while he committed suicide on the day I celebrated my tenth birthday. As for the Rome derby, well in Di Bartolomei’s final Derby della Capitale, before joining Milan, he scored at both ends of the field as the Giallorossi came back from 2-0 down to draw 2-2 in a classic match.
 
I thought the rule was he picks when he comes back...not at the end of the round. In a couple of previous ones I played, it was when returning only, iirc!

What's the usual draft standard for this?

The usual draft standard is picking when you come back. My point is in the usual draft there's only downside for the one arriving late, here that late surprise pick may affect someone who picked since, which isn't right because they didn't have all the info out of no fault of their own.
 
Why exactly is it that the UEFA Cup doesn't count? It was a cracking tourno and all you are doing is giving a relative advantage to players from the one team per country per season to get more games under their belt.

Your main leagues +CL criterion is bollocks, any of the South American players will have an appearance record which doesn't reflect "league" but "any non-friendly game".
Maybe in hindsight it could have been different. Too late to change now as it has already influenced picks till now. I'll let it stand.
 
If anything, you are building a better team thanks to me

My Plan A would have twatted whatever I manage to put together now. It had more than enough to get past a first round and I would have had the freedom of the modern era to reinforce later.
 
mazhar13: 1. P. Falcao 2. di Bartolomei (Roma) 3. Tassotti (Milan)
antohan: 1. Facchetti 2. Boninsegna (Inter) 3. Scirea (Juventus)
MJJ (crappy): 1. Romario 2. Guardiola (Barca) 3. Figo (Barca)
Joga Bonito (Annah): 1. Didi 2. N.Santos (Botafogo) 3. J.Bauer (Botafogo)
Cal?: 1. Ribery 2. Robben (Bayern) 3. Cannavaro (Real)
diarm: 1. R. Baggio 2. Tacconi (Juve) 3. Tardelli (Juve)
green_smiley: 1. Nordahl 2. Schiaffino (Milan) 3. Ghezzi (Milan)
Cutch: 1. Passarella 2. Bergomi (Inter) 3. Bergkamp (Inter)
bleezy: 1. M. Laudrup 2. Stoichkov (Barca) 3.
Sjor Bepo: 1. Gento 2. Amancio Amaro (Real) 3.
EAP: 1. Breitner 2. K H Rummenigge (Bayern) 3.
Skizzo (Pat): 1. J. Charles 2. O. Sivori (Juventus) 3.
The Stain: 1. Robson 2. Giggs (United) 3.
berbasloth4: 1. Sir B. Charlton 2. Law (United) 3.
Kazi: 1. S. Mazzola 2. Luisito Suarez (Inter) 3.
Tuppet (VivaJ): 1. Van Hanegem 2. Gullit (Feyenoord) 3.

BLOCKED PLAYERS:

Puskas, Di Stefano, Edwards, Garrincha, Pele, Eusebio, Best, Beckenbauer, Gerd Müller, Cruyff, Neeskens, Zico, Platini, Boniek, Maradona, Matthäus, Baresi, Maldini, Rijkaard, van Basten, Desailly, L. Ronaldo, Redondo, Seedorf, Keane, Zidane, Thuram, Ronaldinho, C. Ronaldo, Iniesta, Xavi, Messi.
 
I knew @Cal? joining would feck me over when he picked Robben. I thought Cannavaro was going to be a safe pick when I made my second pick because of the path Stobz was going down. Give me a few mins to reevaluate and make a new pick.
 
I knew @Cal? joining would feck me over when he picked Robben. I thought Cannavaro was going to be a safe pick when I made my second pick because of the path Stobz was going down. Give me a few mins to reevaluate and make a new pick.
serves you right :p
 
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mazhar13
: 1. P. Falcao 2. di Bartolomei (Roma) 3. Tassotti (Milan)
antohan: 1. Facchetti 2. Boninsegna (Inter) 3. Scirea (Juventus)
MJJ (crappy): 1. Romario 2. Guardiola (Barca) 3. Figo (Barca)
Joga Bonito (Annah): 1. Didi 2. N.Santos (Botafogo) 3. J.Bauer (Botafogo)
Cal?: 1. Ribery 2. Robben (Bayern) 3. Cannavaro (Real)
diarm: 1. R. Baggio 2. Tacconi (Juve) 3. Tardelli (Juve)
green_smiley: 1. Nordahl 2. Schiaffino (Milan) 3. Ghezzi (Milan)
Cutch: 1. Passarella 2. Bergomi (Inter) 3. Bergkamp (Inter)
bleezy: 1. M. Laudrup 2. Stoichkov (Barca) 3. Benarrivo (Parma)
Sjor Bepo: 1. Gento 2. Amancio Amaro (Real) 3.
EAP: 1. Breitner 2. K H Rummenigge (Bayern) 3.
Skizzo (Pat): 1. J. Charles 2. O. Sivori (Juventus) 3.
The Stain: 1. Robson 2. Giggs (United) 3.
berbasloth4: 1. Sir B. Charlton 2. Law (United) 3.
Kazi: 1. S. Mazzola 2. Luisito Suarez (Inter) 3.
Tuppet (VivaJ): 1. Van Hanegem 2. Gullit (Feyenoord) 3.

BLOCKED PLAYERS:

Puskas, Di Stefano, Edwards, Garrincha, Pele, Eusebio, Best, Beckenbauer, Gerd Müller, Cruyff, Neeskens, Zico, Platini, Boniek, Maradona, Matthäus, Baresi, Maldini, Rijkaard, van Basten, Desailly, L. Ronaldo, Redondo, Seedorf, Keane, Zidane, Thuram, Ronaldinho, C. Ronaldo, Iniesta, Xavi, Messi.

@Šjor Bepo @diarm
 
Šjor picks:
Gunter Netzer -Real Madrid 1973-76
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mazhar13: 1. P. Falcao 2. di Bartolomei (Roma) 3. Tassotti (Milan)
antohan: 1. Facchetti 2. Boninsegna (Inter) 3. Scirea (Juventus)
MJJ (crappy): 1. Romario 2. Guardiola (Barca) 3. Figo (Barca)
Joga Bonito (Annah): 1. Didi 2. N.Santos (Botafogo) 3. J.Bauer (Botafogo)
Cal?: 1. Ribery 2. Robben (Bayern) 3. Cannavaro (Real)
diarm: 1. R. Baggio 2. Tacconi (Juve) 3. Tardelli (Juve)
green_smiley: 1. Nordahl 2. Schiaffino (Milan) 3. Ghezzi (Milan)
Cutch: 1. Passarella 2. Bergomi (Inter) 3. Bergkamp (Inter)
bleezy: 1. M. Laudrup 2. Stoichkov (Barca) 3. Benarrivo (Parma)
Sjor Bepo: 1. Gento 2. Amancio Amaro (Real) 3. Netzer (Real)
EAP: 1. Breitner 2. K H Rummenigge (Bayern) 3.
Skizzo (Pat): 1. J. Charles 2. O. Sivori (Juventus) 3.
The Stain: 1. Robson 2. Giggs (United) 3.
berbasloth4: 1. Sir B. Charlton 2. Law (United) 3.
Kazi: 1. S. Mazzola 2. Luisito Suarez (Inter) 3.
Tuppet (VivaJ): 1. Van Hanegem 2. Gullit (Feyenoord) 3.

BLOCKED PLAYERS:

Puskas, Di Stefano, Edwards, Garrincha, Pele, Eusebio, Best, Beckenbauer, Gerd Müller, Cruyff, Neeskens, Zico, Platini, Boniek, Maradona, Matthäus, Baresi, Maldini, Rijkaard, van Basten, Desailly, L. Ronaldo, Redondo, Seedorf, Keane, Zidane, Thuram, Ronaldinho, C. Ronaldo, Iniesta, Xavi, Messi.

@Edgar Allan Pillow