Chain Draft (Main Thread)

VivaJanuzaj said:
Exactly why he's underrated. Some people don't give a shit about these things.
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Really? I find the opposite, sometimes it seems people forget the point of being a winger is to create and score more than any defensive contribution (a bonus).
 
antohan said:
it seems people forget the point of being a winger is to create and score more than any defensive contribution
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Lately specially, an insane amount of credit has been going to players who work hard defensively, I mean it's good to have that but they are an attacking player first and foremost.
 
antohan said:
He can't piss me any more than he already has TBH. It wasn't just picking him, I knew he had screwed up his checks as well. Pepe deserved a better home.
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Haha true, destroyed your nicely shaping team for no reason and then got stuck himself and funnily you seem to come out in a much better situation.
 
The trick is to use the appearance rule to your advantage

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antohan said:
Really? I find the opposite, sometimes it seems people forget the point of being a winger is to create and score more than any defensive contribution (a bonus).
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ffs we are talking about Franck Ribery and not about fecking Kuyt.....
 
Kazi said:
The trick is to use the appearance rule to your advantage
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Edgar Allan Pillow said:
NOTICE:

Just to highlight and clarify a few stuff in OP:

For the link, it needs to be 15 games in the main league (Serie A, BPL, La Liga etc and/or the Champions League. No other leagues/cups).
For the 'not have played with one before previous' exclusion, the 15 games rules does not apply. Even if they have played 1 game together in main or Champions league, it becomes a invalid link.
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Šjor Bepo said:
ffs we are talking about Franck Ribery and not about fecking Kuyt.....
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Yes, and his workrate/teamwork is nowhere near as important as the fact that he is a far far better player than Kuyt when he has the ball at his feet.
 
antohan said:
Yes, and his workrate/teamwork is nowhere near as important as the fact that he is a far far better player than Kuyt when he has the ball at his feet.
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of course he is a fantastic player with ball in his feet but its a BIG plus when you have player of Ribery talent doing hard work off the ball and playing like a team player/not forcing things like many other players of that calibre.
 
Šjor Bepo said:
of course he is a fantastic player with ball in his feet but its a BIG plus when you have player of Ribery talent doing hard work off the ball and playing like a team player/not forcing things like many other players of that calibre.
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It is a big plus but not something you'd consider while selecting a player for that role.
 
mazhar13: 1. P. Falcao
antohan: 1. Facchetti 2. Boninsegna
MJJ (crappy): 1. Romario 2. Guardiola
Joga Bonito (Annah): 1. Didi 2. N.Santos
Cal?: 1. Ribery 2. Robben
diarm: 1. R. Baggio 2. Tacconi
green_smiley: 1. Nordahl 2. Schiaffino
Cutch: 1. Passarella 2. Bergomi
bleezy: 1. M. Laudrup 2. Stoichkov
Sjor Bepo: 1. Gento 2. Amancio Amaro
EAP: 1. Breitner 2. K H Rummenigge
Skizzo (Pat): 1. J. Charles 2. O. Sivori
The Stain: 1. Robson 2. Giggs
berbasloth4: 1. Sir B. Charlton 2. Law
Kazi: 1. S. Mazzola 2. Luisito Suarez
Tuppet (VivaJ): 1. Van Hanegem 2. Gullit

BLOCKED PLAYERS:

Puskas, Di Stefano, Edwards, Garrincha, Pele, Eusebio, Best, Beckenbauer, Gerd Müller, Cruyff, Neeskens, Zico, Platini, Boniek, Maradona, Matthäus, Baresi, Maldini, Rijkaard, van Basten, Desailly, L. Ronaldo, Redondo, Seedorf, Keane, Zidane, Thuram, Ronaldinho, C. Ronaldo, Iniesta, Xavi, Messi.

@mazhar13
 
Aldo said:
Well yeah depends if you are selecting a wide midfielder or a winger. Defending is consequential in one, not the other.
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yes and no, if you already have a dominant offensive figure in the team and someone who will hug the ball and spend it you want Ribery as your winger and not Robben. Two "Robben's" in the team doesnt work. So lets say you play 4231(formation with 2 wingers) and you have Robben on the right wing, you'd want Ribery on the other side and not another "Robben"....
 
Šjor Bepo said:
yes and no, if you already have a dominant offensive figure in the team and someone who will hug the ball and spend it you want Ribery as your winger and not Robben. Two "Robben's" in the team doesnt work. So lets say you play 4231(formation with 2 wingers) and you have Robben on the right wing, you'd want Ribery on the other side and not another "Robben"....
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True but that's because of their attacking style and has got nothing to do with one being defensively better than the other.
 
Aldo said:
True but that's because of their attacking style and has got nothing to do with one being defensively better than the other.
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i mentioned that in the post you quoted....hard work and team work :)
 
Šjor Bepo said:
i mentioned that in the post you quoted....hard work and team work :)
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Oh okay, I'm purely talking about 'tracking back' which seems to be hyped up these days more than anytime in the past.. Managers making the teams more workmanlike and less attractive to watch, Ribery is a rare player who doesn't drop his attacking quality to provide off the ball hard work, but in most cases you'd see managers preferring a hard working player even if he's occupying an attacking spot and cannot do his primary job properly. Basically demanding defending from attacking players has gone over the top, with the likes of Jose being the biggest culprit.
 
Šjor Bepo said:
of course he is a fantastic player with ball in his feet but its a BIG plus when you have player of Ribery talent doing hard work off the ball and playing like a team player/not forcing things like many other players of that calibre.
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Yeah, but that's an exception. Of all the wingers I can only think of small % who were good offensively and defensively.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Yeah, but that's an exception. Of all the wingers I can only think of small % who were good offensively and defensively.
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it is and you would assume because of that he would get a proper recognition but no, he is still in category of underrated players. Just like our very own posh boy.
 
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Šjor Bepo said:
it is and you would assume because of that he would get a proper recognition but no, he is still in category of underrated players. Just like our very own posh boy.
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I wouldn't say our posh boy was a typical winger. He was more a right midfielder and you need work rate for that. His impact was more in middle than final third. I'd class him as a midfielder. Even in drafts he's used a winger in 4231 which he is not!
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
I wouldn't say our posh boy was a typical winger. He was more a right midfielder and you need work rate for that. His impact was more in middle than final third. I'd class him as a midfielder. Even in drafts he's used a winger in 4231 which he is not!
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by a definition he was a right midfielder but i class them as wingers.....i understand the difference but if i would do a list of all time best wingers/midfielders he would be with the likes of Giggs, Ribery, Robben and not with Keane and Scholes.
 
Šjor Bepo said:
by a definition he was a right midfielder but i class them as wingers.....i understand the difference but if i would do a list of all time best wingers/midfielders he would be with the likes of Giggs, Ribery, Robben and not with Keane and Scholes.
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Central midfielder
Wide midfielder
Wing forward
 
antohan said:
Central midfielder
Wide midfielder
Wing forward
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where would you put Giggs and Ribery? By that definition they are not wingers they are wide midfielders as wing forward is someone like Stoichkov. Or we have winger category between the two, its to much for my taste so for those all time lists and similar crap i put wide midfielders and wing forwards in winger category.
 
I've just gone through some important work. Give me an hour to make my next pick. This will determine what I'll do with my team.
 
I'm going to pick one player who was vastly unappreciated during his playing career. This is someone who was pretty much the heartbeat and leader of Roma, and the way he left the world is a very sad story.

Introducing...
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Agostino di Bartolomei

For my next pick, I'm going to take a key unit of one of the most solid and best ever defences ever in the game. Another one who's somewhat unappreciated, he was a key player for Milan's solid defence, and he was also decent going forward.

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Mauro Tassotti

mazhar13: 1. P. Falcao (1982-83) 2. di Bartolomei (1982-83) 3. Tassotti (1986-87)
antohan: 1. Facchetti 2. Boninsegna
MJJ (crappy): 1. Romario 2. Guardiola
Joga Bonito (Annah): 1. Didi 2. N.Santos
Cal?: 1. Ribery 2. Robben
diarm: 1. R. Baggio 2. Tacconi
green_smiley: 1. Nordahl 2. Schiaffino
Cutch: 1. Passarella 2. Bergomi
bleezy: 1. M. Laudrup 2. Stoichkov
Sjor Bepo: 1. Gento 2. Amancio Amaro
EAP: 1. Breitner 2. K H Rummenigge
Skizzo (Pat): 1. J. Charles 2. O. Sivori
The Stain: 1. Robson 2. Giggs
berbasloth4: 1. Sir B. Charlton 2. Law
Kazi: 1. S. Mazzola 2. Luisito Suarez
Tuppet (VivaJ): 1. Van Hanegem 2. Gullit

BLOCKED PLAYERS:

Puskas, Di Stefano, Edwards, Garrincha, Pele, Eusebio, Best, Beckenbauer, Gerd Müller, Cruyff, Neeskens, Zico, Platini, Boniek, Maradona, Matthäus, Baresi, Maldini, Rijkaard, van Basten, Desailly, L. Ronaldo, Redondo, Seedorf, Keane, Zidane, Thuram, Ronaldinho, C. Ronaldo, Iniesta, Xavi, Messi.
 
mazhar13 said:
Agostino di Bartolomei
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Ahhh, no way! As soon as you posted "so many options, dunno who to pick" this was the first name that came to mind. Whenever Falcao and that Roma team is mentioned it makes me think of this guy, and here I was thinking I guess he'll pick someone more fashionable than stick up for him.

Sweet, sweet pick.
 
From @antohan :

Unfortunately, my planned trip through the golden days of Uruguayan football has been shot down in flames.

Pity, I was enthralled reading some of Gianni Brera's articles recently.

For those who don't know him, Brera was the Editor in Chief of La Gazzetta dello Sport for decades and has given us such terms as "***No**", "libero" and "catenaccio". He was in Switzerland in 1954, mainly interested in watching AC Milan's new acquisition, the then world record transfer, Juan Alberto Schiaffino.

Differently from every man and his dog, his takeaway from 1954 wasn't the Magyars. For the next three decades he would carry on banging on about how Uruguay in 1954 was the pinnacle of football and the gold standard Italians should aspire to: a perfect combination of skill, graft and organised defending, picking you apart with devastating counter-attacking thrusts. In the 70s he reckoned Rocco's 60's Milán had come closest, and that combining both Milán sides would have been perfect... except that somehow the NT had never made it work that way.

Unsurprisingly though, that Uruguay side had roots in a dominant late 40s side... coached by a Hungarian, so they were the revolutionaries after all.

So I was going to try put together the best of Uruguay and Italy, revisit that 40s Peñarol side and how it reinvented itself after disbandment only to emerge stronger and even more successful. How the great captain mentored both, how a player pronounced clinically dead during a match, suddenly came back, stood up and carried on playing because he wouldn't let his teammates or country down...

I guess it will have to wait for another time. I'm joining the 80's mindfeckfest.

I pick Gaetano Scirea
 
mazhar13: 1. P. Falcao
antohan: 1. Facchetti 2. Boninsegna 3. Scirea
MJJ (crappy): 1. Romario 2. Guardiola 3. Figo
Joga Bonito (Annah): 1. Didi 2. N.Santos
Cal?: 1. Ribery 2. Robben
diarm: 1. R. Baggio 2. Tacconi
green_smiley: 1. Nordahl 2. Schiaffino
Cutch: 1. Passarella 2. Bergomi
bleezy: 1. M. Laudrup 2. Stoichkov
Sjor Bepo: 1. Gento 2. Amancio Amaro
EAP: 1. Breitner 2. K H Rummenigge
Skizzo (Pat): 1. J. Charles 2. O. Sivori
The Stain: 1. Robson 2. Giggs
berbasloth4: 1. Sir B. Charlton 2. Law
Kazi: 1. S. Mazzola 2. Luisito Suarez
Tuppet (VivaJ): 1. Van Hanegem 2. Gullit

BLOCKED PLAYERS:

Puskas, Di Stefano, Edwards, Garrincha, Pele, Eusebio, Best, Beckenbauer, Gerd Müller, Cruyff, Neeskens, Zico, Platini, Boniek, Maradona, Matthäus, Baresi, Maldini, Rijkaard, van Basten, Desailly, L. Ronaldo, Redondo, Seedorf, Keane, Zidane, Thuram, Ronaldinho, C. Ronaldo, Iniesta, Xavi, Messi.

@antohan picks Scirea
@MJJ picks Luis Figo

@Joga Bonito @Annahnomoss your turn!
 
anto is such a drama queen :lol:. All that moaning and then the poor guy is forced to go with Scirea.
 
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