So what team would you play then? Who would you leave out?
Cesc Fabregas
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So what team would you play then? Who would you leave out?
Barca play better with Xavi/Iniesta/Busquets as the midfield 3
Right? I was thinking the same thing
without a doubt.
when villa gets back 100% fit, it has to be biscuits, xavi, don andres with villa, messi, pedro up top.
sanchez (and to a lesser extent fabregas) are options that you rotate in.
Riiight, because he's such an angel, your little pizza chucking Cesc.
Yeah he chucks pizza at cheating Man Utd cnuts.
If you can't beat or fight them, chuck at them. What a brave attitude from Cesc
I don't know why he didn't hold off on the move until Xavi was on the way out.
He was better - it was the Man Utd cheating that elicited the mozzarella mayhem.If you can't beat or fight them, chuck at them. What a brave attitude from Cesc
I don't believe that a player of his class and balls would resort to that kind of behaviour. He would show his superiority on the pitch first of all as well. Wait, I've missed something?
Looks like it.
I've seen Busquets being touted as Xavi's successor. I think it was Brwned who linked an interesting post by a Barca newbie on that subject, a while back.
Over 90 minutes perhaps but Xavi would be better playing 45-60 minutes of football. Same with our own Scholes.
mozarella mayhem. I like that.So he wont be looking to win anything if he returns to England?
In certain matches but if Barca wants to be at their best then Cesc isn't good enough to be a starter.It says it all about the crazy level over there.
Not better than Xavi, Iniesta or Busquets - not being in good form certainly isn't helping him at the moment.
Except he's not good enough to start for them right now. He's not as good as Xavi or Iniesta. Not even close atm. Which is why, rightfully, he's usually a sub.
What a silly statement. Is Fabregas the second or third best player of his generation?
No, but he will go on to be amongst the best midfielders of his generation.
I just feel his game is more suited to England rather than Spain...make him the focal point in a fast paced game and he will fecking thrive.
I just feel his game is more suited to England rather than Spain...make him the focal point in a fast paced game and he will fecking thrive.
49 appearance last season? That's more than I thought he'd play so I'm not sure what he was expecting. I'd love him here, he would fit perfectly in CM rather than being played too advanced or in a wider role.
With 38 games (or was it more) , Champions League, King cup, I'm sure he'll get more than enough games, not to mention Xavi is 31 and probably cant' start 50+ games , not with the amount of running he does every match.
Some gems in this thread.
Anyhow, back on track, I think this has to be the season when Tito uses Cesc in Xavi's role. Playing him so high up the pitch is as ridiculous as making Scholes play on the wing for England.
Why would he do that? It is not as if Xavi is exactly past it.
By all accounts, most Spanish i.e Spanish NT, Barca fans seem to think his position is up front rather than being deep like Xavi. I don't see that changing anytime soon. If anything Biscuits seem to be ear-marked to take over from Xavi when needed.
Fabregas' problem is that he is really not needed that much at Barca. Whish shifts the onus on him to fit into the team rather than Tito doing it. He really ought to have joined some other team where he would have bee numero uno CM. Here he is defo behind Xavi, Iniesta and most Barca fans seem to rate Biscuits as more important to team as well.
By all accounts, most Spanish i.e Spanish NT, Barca fans seem to think his position is up front rather than being deep like Xavi. I don't see that changing anytime soon. If anything Biscuits seem to be ear-marked to take over from Xavi when needed.
Fabregas' problem is that he is really not needed that much at Barca. Whish shifts the onus on him to fit into the team rather than Tito doing it. He really ought to have joined some other team where he would have bee numero uno CM. Here he is defo behind Xavi, Iniesta and most Barca fans seem to rate Biscuits as more important to team as well.
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Xavi has looked slightly off to me this season. Might just be a temporary thing, but Cesc needs to nurtured in that system. His future has to be in the centre of midfield, orchestrating play.
His quality is undeniable but the problem is Barca play a very particular way and in Xavi & Iniesta they have two players who fit that system perfectly. Those two are quite possibly the one of, if not, the greatest CM pairing of all time so he was always going to struggle to displace one of them.
Like Pete says a few years ago he put in masterful performances as a CM but in more recent times for us became a full out attacking midfielder. He would always be looking for the killer pass or goal. At Barca they play a very patient game and when an opportunity arises they usually pounce whereas Cesc is more someone who tries to force the issue. A lot more risk taking and that is why some maybe don't see him as Xavi's successor as that role calls for more accurate and patient passing. I think last season he set up and scored more goals than either of them which reflects his more attacking approach. Like I thought at the time Fabregas isn't really the type of player Barca need. I think they bought him back more out of pride as seeing one of their own do so well they had to have him back! Pep was trying to mould him into a different player though. Ironically enough I think he would thrive much more for R.Madrid. He has turned a few games in Barca's favour and for the national side put in some great performances. I don't think the Barca lot doubt his quality, just how he fits into the team.
I reckon we should put in a cheeky bid, loan with a view for a permanent deal
Like Pete says a few years ago he put in masterful performances as a CM but in more recent times for us became a full out attacking midfielder. He would always be looking for the killer pass or goal. At Barca they play a very patient game and when an opportunity arises they usually pounce whereas Cesc is more someone who tries to force the issue. A lot more risk taking and that is why some maybe don't see him as Xavi's successor as that role calls for more accurate and patient passing. I think last season he set up and scored more goals than either of them which reflects his more attacking approach. Like I thought at the time Fabregas isn't really the type of player Barca need. I think they bought him back more out of pride as seeing one of their own do so well they had to have him back! Pep was trying to mould him into a different player though. Ironically enough I think he would thrive much more for R.Madrid. He has turned a few games in Barca's favour and for the national side put in some great performances. I don't think the Barca lot doubt his quality, just how he fits into the team.
I reckon we should put in a cheeky bid, loan with a view for a permanent deal
Is it? Fabregas has said himself he still needs to learn how to play as a Barca midfielder. Generally when he's played there he's been subpar.
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Yeah.. I agree that he would suited Real more.His quality is undeniable but the problem is Barca play a very particular way and in Xavi & Iniesta they have two players who fit that system perfectly. Those two are quite possibly the one of, if not, the greatest CM pairing of all time so he was always going to struggle to displace one of them.
Like Pete says a few years ago he put in masterful performances as a CM but in more recent times for us became a full out attacking midfielder. He would always be looking for the killer pass or goal. At Barca they play a very patient game and when an opportunity arises they usually pounce whereas Cesc is more someone who tries to force the issue. A lot more risk taking and that is why some maybe don't see him as Xavi's successor as that role calls for more accurate and patient passing. I think last season he set up and scored more goals than either of them which reflects his more attacking approach. Like I thought at the time Fabregas isn't really the type of player Barca need. I think they bought him back more out of pride as seeing one of their own do so well they had to have him back! Pep was trying to mould him into a different player though. Ironically enough I think he would thrive much more for R.Madrid. He has turned a few games in Barca's favour and for the national side put in some great performances. I don't think the Barca lot doubt his quality, just how he fits into the team.
I reckon we should put in a cheeky bid, loan with a view for a permanent deal
I had a dream last night that he signed for us.
I can't wait!
I can't wait!
Over my dead body, horrible petty spiteful vile pecksniff of a gimp.
Basically he needs to pass sideways more. How depressing..
Very good post JazzHis quality is undeniable but the problem is Barca play a very particular way and in Xavi & Iniesta they have two players who fit that system perfectly. Those two are quite possibly the one of, if not, the greatest CM pairing of all time so he was always going to struggle to displace one of them.
Like Pete says a few years ago he put in masterful performances as a CM but in more recent times for us became a full out attacking midfielder. He would always be looking for the killer pass or goal. At Barca they play a very patient game and when an opportunity arises they usually pounce whereas Cesc is more someone who tries to force the issue. A lot more risk taking and that is why some maybe don't see him as Xavi's successor as that role calls for more accurate and patient passing. I think last season he set up and scored more goals than either of them which reflects his more attacking approach. Like I thought at the time Fabregas isn't really the type of player Barca need. I think they bought him back more out of pride as seeing one of their own do so well they had to have him back! Pep was trying to mould him into a different player though. Ironically enough I think he would thrive much more for R.Madrid. He has turned a few games in Barca's favour and for the national side put in some great performances. I don't think the Barca lot doubt his quality, just how he fits into the team.
I reckon we should put in a cheeky bid, loan with a view for a permanent deal
He just needs to know better when to pass sideways, and when to go forwards. Doesn't exactly mean he'll be passing it to Valdés at every opportunity, it just means he needs to be more patient.
His style is completely different. I personally feel Busquets will take over.
Bollox. All 3 Barca CMs are better than him.
Him and Ronaldo in January?
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Indeed. Some of us may well be in the gutter but, personally, I'm looking for fag ends.
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His quality is undeniable but the problem is Barca play a very particular way and in Xavi & Iniesta they have two players who fit that system perfectly. Those two are quite possibly the one of, if not, the greatest CM pairing of all time so he was always going to struggle to displace one of them.
Like Pete says a few years ago he put in masterful performances as a CM but in more recent times for us became a full out attacking midfielder. He would always be looking for the killer pass or goal. At Barca they play a very patient game and when an opportunity arises they usually pounce whereas Cesc is more someone who tries to force the issue. A lot more risk taking and that is why some maybe don't see him as Xavi's successor as that role calls for more accurate and patient passing. I think last season he set up and scored more goals than either of them which reflects his more attacking approach. Like I thought at the time Fabregas isn't really the type of player Barca need. I think they bought him back more out of pride as seeing one of their own do so well they had to have him back! Pep was trying to mould him into a different player though. Ironically enough I think he would thrive much more for R.Madrid. He has turned a few games in Barca's favour and for the national side put in some great performances. I don't think the Barca lot doubt his quality, just how he fits into the team.
I reckon we should put in a cheeky bid, loan with a view for a permanent deal
im not too sure about that personally. I got the feeling that Barca bought Cesc because he can cover either Xavi's role or Iniesta's. He has played enough in a 2 man mid, and has the touch, vision and long passing range to dictate play from deep as Xavi does. While he doesn't play from wide areas as well as Iniesta, he is easily capable of being able to hurt opponents in advanced areas with his runs, goals and incisive passing around the box.
His problem for me is those 2 are just so consistent, in order to play regularly he is having to be accommodated in a seperate role from either. Which can seem a bit of a Gerrard/Lampard scenario at times. It looks good on paper, but he doesn't seem that comfortable with it.
I actually think he is a bit more of a goalscoring version of Xavi. That is where he will excel for Barca eventually imo. He seems too suited to playing central to take over Iniestas role really.
I agree with the Madrid claim. But only because he would be playing the role he should be playing, and he wouldn't have to compete with Xavi. Once Xavi goes there will be no problem. If he doesn't like it, im sure SAF would take him in a heartbeat, despite pizzagate. Get in his ear RVP!!
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