Celebrity Allegations, #MeToo etc

Pogue Mahone said:
I'm not sure what you mean?
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You began by saying that every scandal these days is spun depending on peoples politics, that people are constantly looking for political capital. Then in the second half of your post you've compared this scandal to one involving the President and then used it to criticise resident right wingers.

Like I said, I agree with you but the spinning of scandals and stockpiling of political capital happens on both sides of the fence.
 
vi1lain said:


It's a thread.
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This is such a good answer to those who say the senior actresses were 'powerful' and should have stood up much earlier.

Look at what this disgusting pervert did to her initially and then when she dared to stick her head above the parapet. She's trash and a porn star. She's a bad actress. She had a terrible childhood and trashy tattoos. She's an unfriendly bitch. Graceless, classless. 'Fame is fleeting' (very obvious threat). Maybe Megatron will quash her.

Spielberg told him to fire her...and he did.

Look at the power these people had and have.
 
diarm said:
You began by saying that every scandal these days is spun depending on peoples politics, that people are constantly looking for political capital. Then in the second half of your post you've compared this scandal to one involving the President and then used it to criticise resident right wingers.

Like I said, I agree with you but the spinning of scandals and stockpiling of political capital happens on both sides of the fence.
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Ok, right, gotcha. That's fair criticism. Although it's kind of impossible not to bring up their double standards in a thread where they so often use the word "hypocrisy".
 
Castia said:
Heather Graham comes to mind. Apparently she denied his advances, last I heard she was doing B grade tv shows and computer game voices.

No way to prove this has anything to do with Weinstein of course but at one point she was quiete a popular actress.
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she's advertising foxy bingo ffs...not even just a shady voiceover (that lots of actors do on the sly) actually putting her face to the brand. To have fallen to the level of Paddy McGuinness - that's a hard fall!
 
Have South Park covered this controversy yet? Because they will...
 
vi1lain said:


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Woah. Got distracted by his latest tweet.



Just shows how shitty a career acting is. I’m sure yer man from the Superman telly series thought he was made for life when he got that gig. The sort of opportunity every young actor would kill for. Yet here is, involved in low budget drek like this just to try and pay his bills. Same goes for Tara Reid, obviously.

And people are seriously having a go at young actresses for not being more willing to risk everything - before their careers are even started - just because some old dude was creepy to them? Ffs.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Ok, right, gotcha. That's fair criticism. Although it's kind of impossible not to bring up their double standards in a thread where they so often use the word "hypocrisy".
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It is.

Democrats, independents and people who want to see real change need to remove themselves from this cycle though. Perpetuating simple, silly mudslinging rows just plays into the hands of the Bannons, Trumps and other cretins who use trivial drama and obfuscation to deflect from real issues and transgressions.

Trumps biggest success has been lowering the standards of political arguments to those of reality tv. If a political analyst from a decade ago was dumped into todays debate they'd die from laughing and then depressed alcoholism.
 
'Hooray for Hollywood':

Columbia Pictures production director Harry Cohn expected, or at least asked for, sex from female stars in exchange for employment (although similar stories were connected to many producers in Hollywood at the time). Harry Cohn's relationship with Rita Hayworth was fraught with aggravation. Hayworth's biography If This Was Happiness, describes how she refused to sleep with Cohn and how this angered him. However, because Hayworth was such a valuable property Cohn kept her under contract because she made him money. During the years they worked together, each did their best to irritate the other despite their lengthy work relationship which produced good results. Cohn wanted to groom Mary Castle as Hayworth's successor. Kim Novak, another Columbia star, reportedly endured similar treatment from Cohn. When Joan Crawford was subjected to Cohn's advances after signing a three-picture contract with Columbia, she quickly stopped him by saying, "Keep it in your pants, Harry. I'm having lunch with Joan and the boys [Cohn's wife and children] tomorrow."
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africanspur said:
This is such a good answer to those who say the senior actresses were 'powerful' and should have stood up much earlier.

Look at what this disgusting pervert did to her initially and then when she dared to stick her head above the parapet. She's trash and a porn star. She's a bad actress. She had a terrible childhood and trashy tattoos. She's an unfriendly bitch. Graceless, classless. 'Fame is fleeting' (very obvious threat). Maybe Megatron will quash her.

Spielberg told him to fire her...and he did.

Look at the power these people had and have.
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Exactly, I can't even begin to fathom how anyone is trying to pin the blame on the actresses/actors, and only shows that they don't actually understand sexual assault.

Pogue Mahone said:
Woah. Got distracted by his latest tweet.



Just shows how shitty a career acting is. I’m sure yer man from the Superman telly series thought he was made for life when he got that gig. The sort of opportunity every young actor would kill for. Yet here is, involved in low budget drek like this just to try and pay his bills. Same goes for Tara Reid, obviously.

And people are seriously having a go at young actresses for not being more willing to risk everything - before their careers are even started - just because some old dude was creepy to them? Ffs.
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Yep I completely agree, I think it was Terry Crews who mentioned that bringing attention to these kind of things means you have to be willing to risk everything in hopes of gaining very little in return, and that's if you're successful, most times these people end up losing their careers in an attempt to bring light to such accusations.
 
SteveJ said:
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"So, apart from the physical intimidation, the career-suicide, the character-assassination in the industry and the media, the dredging of personal and sexual histories, the adverse effect on others' livelihoods, the unequal financial resources when it comes to legal representation, the whispering campaigns about 'troublemakers', and the predictable assault on their credibility...why do these women hesitate to speak out? They've only themselves to blame, y'know."

"And then there's the convenient cultural tradition of these women being deemed hysterical and - Jehovah forbid! - opinionated!"

"Shut up, Judith, and put the kettle on. There's a good girl. Nice arse, by the way."
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:lol::lol:
 
diarm said:
Aside from being a complete and utter scumbag, I'm often stunned by how little shame these creeps have.

Back in my days of asking girls out or attempting to chat them up, the first hint of rejection and I was gone! The idea of pushing and begging a girl who isn't interested or worse still, is totally repulsed by you, is so far from my idea of a good time I can't even process it.
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You're skint, of course you wont understand
 
Ødegaard said:
No. I've seen her in pictures and seen videos of her speaking to a room of people on a (or multiple) awards show, but I have no further clue who she is. She doesn't interest me.
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Fair enough, but she's the most successful actress of all time in terms of major award nominations and wins.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Woah. Got distracted by his latest tweet.



Just shows how shitty a career acting is. I’m sure yer man from the Superman telly series thought he was made for life when he got that gig. The sort of opportunity every young actor would kill for. Yet here is, involved in low budget drek like this just to try and pay his bills. Same goes for Tara Reid, obviously.
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Pauldy gave that a 10 in the movie review thread. Makes Citizen Kane look like Citizen Smith he said.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
Not sure why anyone is even remotely surprised that casting couch exists in Hollywood, its the most popular theme in porn.

For every woman that declined Weinstein there were probably 20 others who either willingly submitted to him or otherwise even seduced him. Obviously that emboldens him and when you feel like Michael Jordan you shoot every time you get the ball even with two defenders in your face.

The more disgusting people are the assistants and executives that enabled him and covered it up.
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Speaking of one with some known sexual escapades while married...
 
diarm said:
You began by saying that every scandal these days is spun depending on peoples politics, that people are constantly looking for political capital. Then in the second half of your post you've compared this scandal to one involving the President and then used it to criticise resident right wingers.

Like I said, I agree with you but the spinning of scandals and stockpiling of political capital happens on both sides of the fence.
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Yes. But the best laugh is Fox News running segments linking Weinstein and DNC. The irony being that Fox News has been labeled a sexual assault factory and numerous GOP members still appear on the network.
 
africanspur said:
This is such a good answer to those who say the senior actresses were 'powerful' and should have stood up much earlier.

Look at what this disgusting pervert did to her initially and then when she dared to stick her head above the parapet. She's trash and a porn star. She's a bad actress. She had a terrible childhood and trashy tattoos. She's an unfriendly bitch. Graceless, classless. 'Fame is fleeting' (very obvious threat). Maybe Megatron will quash her.

Spielberg told him to fire her...and he did.

Look at the power these people had and have.
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This is unrelated to the harassment... But I've never classified Megan Fox as an actor. Not a decent one at least.
 
11101 said:
Fair enough, but she's the most successful actress of all time in terms of major award nominations and wins.
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Fair enough a reason to react to me not knowing of her.
I don't follow any awards though, i glance over the Oscars every other year when I'm bored and browsing news-sites, but that's about it. :)
 
Classical Mechanic said:
What did Bay do to Megan Fox?
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The tweets just mention his general objectification of her. Forcing her to do costume changes for hours on end so he could see her in a ton of different outfits, berating her in the media etc. Comes across as a bit creepy considering her role in all of his films tended to just be as the eye candy, and he'd first started working with her when she was about 15.
 
I heard several bad stories about Bay when i worked in Hollywood. Most dealing with him losing the plot with actors on his film sets.
 
Cheesy said:
The tweets just mention his general objectification of her. Forcing her to do costume changes for hours on end so he could see her in a ton of different outfits, berating her in the media etc. Comes across as a bit creepy considering her role in all of his films tended to just be as the eye candy, and he'd first started working with her when she was about 15.
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You just need to watch the way he portrays her in his movies to know he’s a proper leery cnut tbh.
 
Even Weinstein & his supporters have rolled out the old, expedient excuse of 'temperamental genius'; I guess the genius-bar has been dramatically lowered in the modern age...
 
Cheesy said:
The tweets just mention his general objectification of her. Forcing her to do costume changes for hours on end so he could see her in a ton of different outfits, berating her in the media etc. Comes across as a bit creepy considering her role in all of his films tended to just be as the eye candy, and he'd first started working with her when she was about 15.
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Cheers

Pogue Mahone said:
You just need to watch the way he portrays her in his movies to know he’s a proper leery cnut tbh.
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Looking at his list of credits the only film that I have ever seen of his is Armageddon and that was a long long time ago.
 
Raoul said:
I heard several bad stories about Bay when i worked in Hollywood. Most dealing with him losing the plot with actors on his film sets.
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He‘s been mentioned quite a lot in commentaries on Twitter the last few days. He seems to be known for this kind of behavior.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Isn't it strange that absolutely every scandal these days has to be spun one way or another depending on your politics? I'm sure that didn't happen in the past. The obvious response to a big story like this is "How awful. What a vile man. Glad he's been caught. What a horrible abuse of power. " And that's about it. But no, we're living in an age where everyone is constantly looking for some form of political capital. Because this happened in Hollywood, an industry with a reputation for being (spit) liberal, then the right wing attack dogs are out in force looking for a way to spin this and create a whole load more villains in the piece Hence this thread has posts accusing all and sundry of being hypocrites and even going as far as insulting the victims in this sorry saga (which really is scraping the fecking barrel) And why? Because they dare to have different politics to them. It's tawdry as feck.

There are also monumental double standards on display. For all that this prick was enabled by people who were in thrall to his power, the moment that incontrovertible evidence came out (the New Yorker recording) Hollywood rounded on him pretty quickly and he is rightfully being hung out to dry. His career is pretty much finished. Conversely, we recently uncovered a similarly upsetting piece of audio footage of another powerful, physically repellent, overweight, aged white man boasting about "grabbing them by the pussy" having previously been accused of marital rape in a biography and what happened to him? He was elected the president of the fecking USA!

I've been looking for some posts by our resident right wingers in the Trump thread full of righteous indignation about this appalling cover-up and enabling of a sexual predator but I'm afraid I can't find any. Perhaps @Buchan and @Will Absolute can point me in the direction of some of their posts that I might have missed?
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Hollywood had 'incontrovertible evidence' of Harvey Weinstein's sins for years, Pogue - the private testimony of its own citizens, including some of its most prominent actresses. Ostracising or refusing to do business with a known monster didn't need a legal standard of proof.

As for bringing this man's reign of terror to an abrupt end, that also was within its power. One press conference, with Angelina Jolie, Gwyneth Paltrow, Ashley Judd.... sitting at the podium, reading a simple statement: "Today we feel it our duty to bring to the attention of the public the misbehaviour of one of our communities most powerful members, behaviour which we personally can ............ We do this reluctantly in order to protect young and vulnerable girls, as we ourselves once were, from ..........." would have finished Weinstein's career immediately.

Instead Weinstein was lauded, feted and enabled, an elliptic joke at the 2013 Oscar ceremony the only public reference to a dark secret which Hollywood kept close to its heart.

Regarding Trump, I don't much about him, although I once posted prior to his election that he was unfit to be President of the US. From what I've read, which isn't much, I'd say his misconduct wasn't in Weinstein's league. It seems to have largely consisted of crude, physical passes at girls who weren't in his employ or hadn't been lured to his office or hotel room on false pretences. Some of the girls were no doubt annoyed or embarrassed, and fled from his attentions thinking, "What a clown!", but nobody was traumatised or reduced to tears.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I’ve watched all the Transformers movies. A fairly shameful admission. The way he shoots Megan Fox you can practically see the drool running off the camera lens.
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Isn't sexual appeal important for action blockbusters though? I mean, does Bay really get to film someone like that because of his perversion or because he feels it can help the movie to make profit?
 
adexkola said:
This is unrelated to the harassment... But I've never classified Megan Fox as an actor. Not a decent one at least.
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To be fair to her, Transformers isn't exactly Shakespeare, it's a generic wish fulfilment hot girl role could have been played by a cardboard cut out with some balloons stapled to it.

And once your type cast as anything it's hard for you to break out of it, McConaughey has always been a good actor but he was making shit romantic comedies for 15 odd years.
 
Gets me thinking on a person in such a powerful position with minions and sycophants surrounding to share in the power and wealth... has Weinstein ever had someone killed?
 
Will Absolute said:
Hollywood had 'incontrovertible evidence' of Harvey Weinstein's sins for years, Pogue - the private testimony of its own citizens, including some of its most prominent actresses. Ostracising or refusing to do business with a known monster didn't need a legal standard of proof.

As for bringing this man's reign of terror to an abrupt end, that also was within its power. One press conference, with Angelina Jolie, Gwyneth Paltrow, Ashley Judd.... sitting at the podium, reading a simple statement: "Today we feel it our duty to bring to the attention of the public the misbehaviour of one of our communities most powerful members, behaviour which we personally can ............ We do this reluctantly in order to protect young and vulnerable girls, as we ourselves once were, from ..........." would have finished Weinstein's career immediately.

Instead Weinstein was lauded, feted and enabled, an elliptic joke at the 2013 Oscar ceremony the only public reference to a dark secret which Hollywood kept close to its heart.

Regarding Trump, I don't much about him, although I once posted prior to his election that he was unfit to be President of the US. From what I've read, which isn't much, I'd say his misconduct wasn't in Weinstein's league. It seems to have largely consisted of crude, physical passes at girls who weren't in his employ or hadn't been lured to his office or hotel room on false pretences. Some of the girls were no doubt annoyed or embarrassed, and fled from his attentions thinking, "What a clown!", but nobody was traumatised or reduced to tears.
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:lol: You don’t know much about Donald Trump other than your certainty that he never traumatised or reduced to tears any young girl he “grabbed by the pussy”

You’ve got a brass neck, I’ll give you that!

Trump: You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.

Bush: Whatever you want.

Trump: Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything
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With Trump it goes well beyond his probable sexual assaults. He's likely to have committed financial crimes, extortion, corruption, racketeering on top of covert/overt racism, shitting on poor people, etc. He's a white collar gangster. And the likely obstruction and treason charges in the future.

Both Trump and Weinstein are despicable humans.
 
Will Absolute said:
From what I've read, which isn't much, I'd say his misconduct wasn't in Weinstein's league. It seems to have largely consisted of crude, physical passes at girls who weren't in his employ or hadn't been lured to his office or hotel room on false pretences. Some of the girls were no doubt annoyed or embarrassed, and fled from his attentions thinking, "What a clown!", but nobody was traumatised or reduced to tears.
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I don't where he stands in scumbag league table, but numerous women have accused him of non-consensual kissing, grabbings of tits, bottoms etc, walking into womens dressing room at beauty paegent etc. If you were to rate it, he'd fall below Harvey, but not necessarily by much.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
:lol: You don’t know much about Donald Trump other than your certainty that he never traumatised or reduced to tears any young girl he “grabbed by the pussy”

You’ve got a brass neck, I’ll give you that!
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I didn't express any certainty, Pogue. And I don't want to set up as a defender of Donald Trump, whom I've always regarded as an obvious asshole.
 
Will Absolute said:
I didn't express any certainty, Pogue. And I don't want to set up as a defender of Donald Trump, who I've always regarded as an obvious asshole.
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I wasn't looking for your condemnation of Trump just highlighting the double standards exhibited by your gleeful attack on the Hollywood establishment for allegedly colluding with a sexual predator (even though Weinstein has ended up a pariah) compared with your evident reluctance to do the same when the conservative establishment circled the wagons around Trump (who ended up as POTUS).

The "certainty" comment was just taking the piss out of your transparent double down when your hypocrisy was exposed. Sure Trump might have grabbed their pussy but they didn't cry, so that's ok. Not like that nasty Jewish man from Hollywood. When he grabs a pussy, he always makes them cry :rolleyes:
 
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Will Absolute said:
I didn't express any certainty, Pogue. And I don't want to set up as a defender of Donald Trump, who I've always regarded as an obvious asshole.
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How about not defending him then?
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Some of the girls were no doubt annoyed or embarrassed, and fled from his attentions thinking, "What a clown!", but nobody was traumatised or reduced to tears.
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That doesn't sound uncertain. That sounds very certain. If you really have no idea what went on there as you claim in the beginning, it might be better to stop there. Because you just heavily downplayed the suffering of victims of sexual abuse.
 
I'm not sure why criticism at people who kept quiet during all this, is being filed under victim blaming.

The likes of Jolie and others who knew of Weinstein and other's indiscretions shouldn't be applauded for coming out now under the strength of numbers.
 
HTG said:
How about not defending him then?

That doesn't sound uncertain. That sounds very certain. If you really have no idea what went on there as you claim in the beginning, it might be better to stop there. Because you just heavily downplayed the suffering of victims of sexual abuse.
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You make one grammatical slip in hundreds of posts and people immediately quote it!:mad:

To return to the point, everything I say after 'I don't know much about him' should be understood in that context - as an impression.
 
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