Celebrity Allegations, #MeToo etc

horsechoker said:
Let's not



https://www.maine.gov/dps/mcja/docs/Mandatory-Law/Handout 2 - So How Many Rape Reports are False.doc


https://www.brown.edu/campus-life/h...g-violence/myths-about-sexual-assault-reports


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45565684


https://web.archive.org/web/2018010...gov/conference/handouts/False-Allegations.pdf
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This research is based on zero evidence. Because you can't know in he said vs she said who is telling the truth. Tupac Shakur got done on for obvious BS sexual assault charges that ruined his life. I've had 2 women threaten me with BS rape accusations a couple of time without going through with it but they threatened to do so.1 of them, I didn't even have sex with after she was asking for sex all night long, after she said 'no' I stopped straight away. But because I rubbed my dick against her clit during foreplay that we both mutually agreed to and she said 'no' she thought she was raped when I stopped. Before this she kept asking if I had photos of my ex wife in my bedroom because she wanted the 'right atmosphere'. I've had another woman make up lies about me about domestic violence. And I've not had many girlfriends. Many women lie to get economic dominance over men or to punish them. Those studies aren't having sympathy to missacused men.

If you haven't been with such women, then it's good for you. But you could be devastated if you ever encounter one.
 
ThierryFabregas said:
This research is based on zero evidence. Because you can't know in he said vs she said who is telling the truth. Tupac Shakur got done on for obvious BS sexual assault charges that ruined his life. I've had 2 women threaten me with BS rape accusations a couple of time without going through with it but they threatened to do so.1 of them, I didn't even have sex with after she was asking for sex all night long, after she said 'no' I stopped straight away. But because I rubbed my dick against her clit during foreplay that we both mutually agreed to and she said 'no' she thought she was raped when I stopped. Before this she kept asking if I had photos of my ex wife in my bedroom because she wanted the 'right atmosphere'. I've had another woman make up lies about me about domestic violence. And I've not had many girlfriends. Many women lie to get economic dominance over men or to punish them. Those studies aren't having sympathy to missacused men.

If you haven't been with such women, then it's good for you. But you could be devastated if you ever encounter one.
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One of the most controversial disputes affecting the discourse related to violence against
women is the dispute about the frequency of false allegations of sexual assault. In an effort
to add clarity to the discourse, published research on false allegations is critiqued, and the
results of a new study described. All cases (N = 136) of sexual assault reported to a major
Northeastern university over a 10-year period are analyzed to determine the percentage of
false allegations. Of the 136 cases of sexual assault reported over the 10-year period, 8 (5.9%)
are coded as false allegations. These results, taken in the context of an examination of
previous research, indicate that the prevalence of false allegations is between 2% and 10%.
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There's the evidence of the study, the link is the Web.archive link I Posted above

It doesn't say that false allegations don't happen but that they are don't happen that often
 
ThierryFabregas said:
This research is based on zero evidence. Because you can't know in he said vs she said who is telling the truth. Tupac Shakur got done on for obvious BS sexual assault charges that ruined his life. I've had 2 women threaten me with BS rape accusations a couple of time without going through with it but they threatened to do so.1 of them, I didn't even have sex with after she was asking for sex all night long, after she said 'no' I stopped straight away. But because I rubbed my dick against her clit during foreplay that we both mutually agreed to and she said 'no' she thought she was raped when I stopped. Before this she kept asking if I had photos of my ex wife in my bedroom because she wanted the 'right atmosphere'. I've had another woman make up lies about me about domestic violence. And I've not had many girlfriends. Many women lie to get economic dominance over men or to punish them. Those studies aren't having sympathy to missacused men.

If you haven't been with such women, then it's good for you. But you could be devastated if you ever encounter one.
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Extraordinary.
 
I dunno guys, that seems like a pretty shitty situation if he's not fabricating it, and probably the kind of thing that'd cause you to take a more extreme viewpoint than is true. I've not had that sort of experience myself thankfully.
 
ThierryFabregas said:
This research is based on zero evidence. Because you can't know in he said vs she said who is telling the truth. Tupac Shakur got done on for obvious BS sexual assault charges that ruined his life. I've had 2 women threaten me with BS rape accusations a couple of time without going through with it but they threatened to do so.1 of them, I didn't even have sex with after she was asking for sex all night long, after she said 'no' I stopped straight away. But because I rubbed my dick against her clit during foreplay that we both mutually agreed to and she said 'no' she thought she was raped when I stopped. Before this she kept asking if I had photos of my ex wife in my bedroom because she wanted the 'right atmosphere'. I've had another woman make up lies about me about domestic violence. And I've not had many girlfriends. Many women lie to get economic dominance over men or to punish them. Those studies aren't having sympathy to missacused men.

If you haven't been with such women, then it's good for you. But you could be devastated if you ever encounter one.
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Probably not as much as getting shot did tbh.
 
Vidyoyo said:
I dunno guys, that seems like a pretty shitty situation if he's not fabricating it, and probably the kind of thing that'd cause you to take a more extreme viewpoint than is true. I've not had that sort of experience myself thankfully.
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Very true and I wouldn't wish that on anyone. I don't think that means he can just start pulling statistics out of thin air and dismissing actual studies done to look at the numbers though.
 
Brophs said:
Get back in here, you coward. We’re just about to call Tupac a diddler.
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i see no charges, all i see is empty cases
misplaced claims makes disgrace to rapists
we under, i wonder what it takes to make this
one better place, let’s erase the whatsapps
take the evil out the people, they’ll be acting right, cos i’ll rub my dick against your clit tonight.
 
Brophs said:
Get back in here, you coward. We’re just about to call Tupac a diddler.
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https://www.ladbible.com/news/celeb...f-rape-has-spoken-for-the-first-time-20180131

Ayanna said she told Tupac 'no' several times but he kept his hand on the back of her head. She described parts of the encounter like an out-of-body experience because she couldn't believe it was happening to her.

Ms Jackson recalled her stockings and dress being ripped off by the other men in the room before being raped by Tupac. Eventually the singer left the room and his friends then raped her.

It wasn't until she 'came to' that she realised what had happened to her.
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I think getting shot ruined 2pac's life more than my complicit in a sexual assault
 
ThierryFabregas said:
This research is based on zero evidence. Because you can't know in he said vs she said who is telling the truth. Tupac Shakur got done on for obvious BS sexual assault charges that ruined his life. I've had 2 women threaten me with BS rape accusations a couple of time without going through with it but they threatened to do so.1 of them, I didn't even have sex with after she was asking for sex all night long, after she said 'no' I stopped straight away. But because I rubbed my dick against her clit during foreplay that we both mutually agreed to and she said 'no' she thought she was raped when I stopped. Before this she kept asking if I had photos of my ex wife in my bedroom because she wanted the 'right atmosphere'. I've had another woman make up lies about me about domestic violence. And I've not had many girlfriends. Many women lie to get economic dominance over men or to punish them. Those studies aren't having sympathy to missacused men.

If you haven't been with such women, then it's good for you. But you could be devastated if you ever encounter one.
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And like... You weren't being coerced into posting this? You wrote this and posted it and weren't drunk?
 
fecking hell the posters abusing the guy who shared his experiences aren't much better than the one saying they don't believe victims of sexual abuse.

If you're okay with online bullying (no mater who it is) then you're a cnut too.

The poster has obviously had multiple experiences that has clouded his views, much like anyone would and bullying him isn't a great way to get your point across to him, he'll likely double down on his views now, so well done cnuts.

On the topic at hand though, rape and sexual crimes has a staggeringly low conviction rate, I'm not smart enough to know how to solve that issue, but I'd hope many recognise that it is a huge problem.

Those saying that false allegations are an issue are correct too, but it doesn't take away from the fact that rape is under reported because of the low conviction rate, two issues can be present involving the same subject - rapists and predators staying out of prison at the rate they are is a much bigger problem though (this coming from a guy that has been falsely accused - don't make fun of me...).
 
yumtum said:
fecking hell the posters abusing the guy who shared his experiences aren't much better than the one saying they don't believe victims of sexual abuse.

If you're okay with online bullying (no mater who it is) then you're a cnut too.

The poster has obviously had multiple experiences that has clouded his views, much like anyone would and bullying him isn't a great way to get your point across to him, he'll likely double down on his views now, so well done cnuts.

On the topic at hand though, rape and sexual crimes has a staggeringly low conviction rate, I'm not smart enough to know how to solve that issue, but I'd hope many recognise that it is a huge problem.

Those saying that false allegations are an issue are correct too, but it doesn't take away from the fact that rape is under reported because of the low conviction rate, two issues can be present involving the same subject - rapists and predators staying out of prison at the rate they are is a much bigger problem though (this coming from a guy that has been falsely accused - don't make fun of me...).
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There's a time and a place for everything, but I'm not sure describing how you rubbed your dick on someone's clit, and that women often lie to punish you, is just sharing experiences. This isn't therapy, it's a thread about MeToo. He chose to bring it up and he chose how to bring it up.
 
nimic said:
There's a time and a place for everything, but I'm not sure describing how you rubbed your dick on someone's clit, and that women often lie to punish you, is just sharing experiences. This isn't therapy, it's a thread about MeToo. He chose to bring it up and he chose to bring it up in the most disturbing way possible.
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Plus its a weird reaction to the old guy from Squid Game being accused of sexual misconduct. 99% of the people here hadn't even heard of him that long ago.
 
nimic said:
There's a time and a place for everything, but I'm not sure describing how you rubbed your dick on someone's clit, and that women often lie to punish you, is just sharing experiences. This isn't therapy, it's a thread about MeToo. He chose to bring it up and he chose how to bring it up.
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He was trying to make his point, a rather weird share clearly, but to then trash him isn't really constructive to trying to get him to see your point and won't do the guy any good when he seemingly isn't in a great space about the subject as is.
 
Oly Francis said:
That's the drama in sexual misconduct or rape cases, victims are supposed to prove they didn't give their consent and that's rarely possible unless there's visible traces of agression
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In that case, should it also not be the case that the accused has to prove/demonstrate how they perceived that consent had been/ was given? I appreciate that may sound ludicrous in most cases, but no more so than someone having to prove a negative.
 
I think it's fair to say that rape is a nightmare in every single way. It's one of the worst crimes and it's also impossible to prove most of the time, so it becomes a headache legally as well.

Even if just 1% of allegations are false, it's simply too much to have blind faith in the accuser and convict based on this. If someone tells me they've been raped then I will always believe them and feel sympathy, but I wouldn't want it to hold up in court. "Innocent until proven guilty" is a far too important concept. It pains me that so many monsters are able to walk free, but I see no other solution at this moment.
 
arnie_ni said:
Seen an article that comedian Katherine Ryan has said it's an open secret a famous tv star is a predator.

Do they hold no moral or ethical values at all to report said person to the police?

What if the person abuses/attacks someone else?
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Always thought Lorraine Kelly was a decent person.
 
arnie_ni said:
It just doesn't sit right that she's happy to say in an interview it's well know this star is a predator (kids?) But then not try and do something about it.

I don't know what the solution is but it's maddening that nothing can be done about these kinds of people
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"So am I going to put my mortgage on the line by saying who this person is or entering into any conversations like that? We’ve seen what happens to the people who talk about alleged predators..." - Katherine Ryan.
 
Accepting that "innocent until proven guilty" is the correct concept to apply in court, that's in court, where consequences can include the state depriving you of your liberty. That standard doesn't apply outside of court.

In other words if person X accuses person Y, people are free to believe person X and act accordingly. Which includes declining to support, associate with or employ person Y. You don't need to have the allegation proven to a criminal standard in order to make your own moral or value judgements based on the information available, even if it is rational to temper your response in light of your lack of certainty.

So in the case of the person Katherine Ryan was referring to for example, people who are aware of his reputation within the industry and the allegations against him can and should choose not to employ him. Because while that could mean unfairly limiting his career opportunuties if the accusations are unfounded, there's no moral obligation on them to give that risk greater consideration than the risk that the allegations are actually true. In fact given all we know about the relative likelihood of legitimate accusations versus false accusations, quite the opposite. Unlike a legal setting, theirs is one where they can place more weight on accusations alone, particularly as they can decline to employ someone without making any sort of public accusation against them.
 
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Scandi Red said:
I think it's fair to say that rape is a nightmare in every single way.
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It certainly is and the fact that rape, which is often 'weaponized' in war situations where 'bloodletting' and lust combined are used as 'tools of war' to dominate and subjugate an enemy, can go unpunished, adds to the horror of realizing that justice very rarely is administered, in such situations, or indeed in relative peacetime.
 
sullydnl said:
Accepting that "innocent until proven guilty" is the correct concept to apply in court, that's in court, where consequences can include the state depriving you of your liberty. That standard doesn't apply outside of court.

In other words if person X accuses person Y, people are free to believe person X and act accordingly. Which includes declining to support, associate with or employ person Y. You don't need to have the allegation proven to a criminal standard in order to make your own moral or value judgements based on the information available, even if it is rational to temper your response in light of your lack of certainty.

So in the case of the person Katherine Ryan was referring to for example, people who are aware of his reputation within the industry and the allegations against him can and should choose not to employ him. Because while that could mean unfairly limiting his career opportunuties if the accusations are unfounded, there's no moral obligation on them to give that risk greater consideration than the risk that the allegations are actually true. In fact given all we know about the relative likelihood of legitimate accusations versus false accusations, quite the opposite. Unlike a legal setting, theirs is one where they can place more weight on accusations alone, particularly as they can decline to employ someone without making any sort of public accusation against them.
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Accusations remain just that thought until proven. She’d be leaving herself open to some pretty heavy legal trouble if she named the person and wasn’t able to prove it.
 
2 man midfield said:
Accusations remain just that thought until proven. She’d be leaving herself open to some pretty heavy legal trouble if she named the person and wasn’t able to prove it.
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Oh absolutely, she shouldn't publicly name him, especially as she has no actual evidence to present.

My point was more that if these allegations are as widely known as she says, it shouldn't take him being publicly named for TV show producers to decline to book him. They'll have heard those same stories and should be erring on the side of caution by side-stepping the issue and hiring someone else. Whereas I suspect that if someone is a good booking or they have a positive relationship with them or their management, they're too quick to shrug their shoulders and say "well nothing is public or proven" and continue on regardless.

If she's referring to the person I assume she is, it's really not that much of a secret or a surprise that he's sus anyway and there's a fair chance some people have declined to work with him for that reason. But in general they should be more pro-active in avoiding working with people carrying reps for being a creep.
 
ThierryFabregas said:
This research is based on zero evidence. Because you can't know in he said vs she said who is telling the truth. Tupac Shakur got done on for obvious BS sexual assault charges that ruined his life. I've had 2 women threaten me with BS rape accusations a couple of time without going through with it but they threatened to do so.1 of them, I didn't even have sex with after she was asking for sex all night long, after she said 'no' I stopped straight away. But because I rubbed my dick against her clit during foreplay that we both mutually agreed to and she said 'no' she thought she was raped when I stopped. Before this she kept asking if I had photos of my ex wife in my bedroom because she wanted the 'right atmosphere'. I've had another woman make up lies about me about domestic violence. And I've not had many girlfriends. Many women lie to get economic dominance over men or to punish them. Those studies aren't having sympathy to missacused men.

If you haven't been with such women, then it's good for you. But you could be devastated if you ever encounter one.
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There’s definitely a common denominator here
 
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