Celebrity Allegations, #MeToo etc
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Word is that Derschowitz may get on team Weinstein
That guy would defend anybody.
Seems like everyone, everywhere is being accused and/or guilty.
Dershowitz would not defend anybody. He hasn't won 13 out of 15 cases as an appellant lawyer by defending anybody. Dershowitz wrote about the cases he refused in his book, Taking The Stand.
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Now with this freeman saga, unwanted touches may have a case, but staring? Since when is looking at someone is classified as sexual harassment if it makes the other person uncomfortable?
Seeing guys like Freeman being accused you almost get the feeling that being a globally worshipped, rich superstar star gives you boundary issues.
I think so. If he were a nobody on a subway and did this you would class him as a creep.
"Morgan is also said to have stared at women's breasts and asked women to twirl for him."
Bit of a weird way to behave.
Being a wierd creep isnt a crime though.
The groping should be punished, but staring shouldn’t be imo.
You don't have to touch someone to harass them. The staff on set knew to modify what they wore so they didn't set him off - if your behaviour has been that noticeable and caused that much obvious discomfort then I think it's fair to deem it harassment. This is of course easily remedied by not staring at women's breats and asking them to twirl for you.
It's all very wrong and the twirling part and sexual innuendo part is definitely harassment. Just staring however, is not. If it were, 95% of the population would be in jail.
That's the difficult part of this debate. There's a line between being a creepy cnut and being a sexual deviant. That's for a court to decide, not Twitter. As it seems though, whenever you say this should perhaps not all be done in the court of public opinion, you are labelled a misogynist or indifferent to sexual harassment.
Context is everything. Stared at in a club is just normal male/female interaction, provided the starer knows when to back off - which is an ability that most people learn quite young, but some (often male) never grow out, at which point they get labelled creeps.
Stared at when you're alone in a carriage on a tube train can be frightening.
Stared at when you're junior staff and he's the boss creates a hostile work environment.
Stared at (commented on, touched) when the starer is Morgan Freeman and you're working with him is almost certainly a massive power differential, even if he's not formally your boss. Punished is a difficult word here, staring won't send him to jail on its own, but publicising it means that he will feel uncomfortable and it will see him on the wrong end of some embarrassing words and stares, it may even force him (or other men) to change behaviour. Which is kind of what his targets suggest is how they felt and how they responded to avoid it happening again.
That's a good point, true.
The power difference part is of course the heart of the problem and why so many of these men seem to do it. They simply got away with it. It's unequivocally a good thing this movement, it shouldn't go too far though. As you say, context is everything.
But no one is saying what he did was a crime. The police are not involved. You can expect other consequences if you make them feel uncomfortable though.
Yea, my bad, he's not actually being indicted for anything. He deserves flak for being a creep, I agree
Guy is a cnut. I have a lot of sympathy for people who end up in gradually abusive relationships. I obviously sympathise with her, but to not leave after being set those rules after two weeks is dumb on her part and she obviously let it slide knowing the benefits she would get to her career.
Before anyone jumps on that, it's different to the Weinstein abuse. That would've felt like the only way in to Hollywood for some.
Bloody hell that is a tough read!
What is it with men who can get all the women they want still harrasing/raping women?
Cod-psychology ahoy:
I once read Nemesis, an excellent book about the billionaire Ari Onassis. For him, it wasn't enough to merely seal a deal; his real pleasure came from the pain his rivals felt on losing out. Similar-ish mindset to these abusers, perhaps.
Who in particular are you referring to ?
All of them, footballers, actors, entertainers who have women throwing themselves at them for willing relations, still forcing/abusing women
There's no one size fits all view to each of the accused. Bill Cosby for instance would routinely go "hang out" at the Playboy mansion to look for women. Weinstein used his power to go after women he interacted with. Neither could "get all the women they wanted" and had to instead use their celebrity and power to do so. I suspect there are similar cases with others.
Power and control. Not the same if they're willing.
Padmé and Anakin cosplay taken too far.
If this is true, how can a person be this much of a fecking hypocrite.
Would really like to walk a mile in the shoes if someone with such a weird set of morals.
Would really like to walk a mile in the shoes if someone with such a weird set of morals.
Must be said, paying someone off doesn't mean it happened.
Yes agreed but it would be a strange move if she is innocent though.
Excuse my ignorance, but what else could it mean? Considering how outspoken she has been, why wouldn't she fight this?
Article says there was a photo of them in bed. We're still light on the details but it doesn't look good.
I was talking generally. On this particular case,we don't have that much detail.
Light on details? The details are fairly graphic.
Seems fairly straight forward.
https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrit...-sexual-assault-accuser-jimmy-bennett-report/
Thanks for replying, but that really doesn't answer my question at all. I fail to understand the circumstances that would lead to her paying so much if she hadn't done anything wrong.