I don't think 'most people' do understand that, sadly. I think people are now keen to hold the concept of consent up to a standard that no human in history, including themselves, as ever achieved.
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I don't think 'most people' do understand that, sadly. I think people are now keen to hold the concept of consent up to a standard that no human in history, including themselves, as ever achieved.
How do they feel about creepy virgins who think they speak for imaginary people on internet forums?
they probably think the creepy virgins won't come up with
which is what the argument against criminalising marital rape was
FFS Morgan too! 
Wonder if anyone will be left by the time all the allegations are done.
Wonder if anyone will be left by the time all the allegations are done.
You're strawmanning here. I think the vast majority of people understand the difference between going in for a kiss and getting rejected and forcefully groping people. As always there'll be extremists on either side but most of the discussion here is about actual assault or harassment.
There's someone in this very thread who's making that argument. I don't think that's strawmanning at all.
There are genuinely people out there who thinks sex is like buying Mars bar or something.
"May we have sex please?"
-Certainly, climb on.
That what worries me. We assume that everyone is a normal person and understands how intimacy and intimate situations occur, but then there's Silva. I fear people like that are shaping the debate when it comes to consent.
maybe we can do better and not make womens lives so shitty that they can't go to a nightclub alone for fear of being gropped constantly and having oscie defend it by quoting time immemorial
Which was exactly the defence used in an argument against civil rights for black people.
...or something.
You don’t just go straight for the goods when you’re dancing with a woman in a club. Start with the hips, work from there, and adjust based on reciprocation. Or we can all make the Fox Trot cool again to avoid these problems altogether.
yes and black people have civil rights now and maybe in the future women and go dancing without encountering people like you
What gives you the right to touch her hips?
They don't want to be touched by creeps like you!
etc.
I'm homosexual. They're safer with me than someone who clearly thinks sex and intimacy in general is something women have done to them.
men*
groping a person because you danced with them for a few minutes isn't intimacy
You realise your tagline says 'enjoys looking at footballers' groins'?
I know you’re being facetious, but hands on hips is essential in so many different types of partner dancing. And hands on hips doesn’t mean grab strongly onto it either. If she doesn’t like that, then she’ll simply move your hands away or stop dancing with you.
great argument
i'm sure they don't and maybe you might want to consider that redcafe taglines are usually overly exaggerated and based on single stupid comments
I don't think I can watch The Usual Suspects anymore and that was my favourite film.
Have we had the 'consent forms' joke yet? That's a good 'un.
So there was a comment?
Are you seeking counselling for your perversion/sex addiction. I'm sorry I don't know the politically correct term. Are there any restrictions on where/with whom you can work? I think we're getting to the bottom of your anger issues and supposed repulsion to sex.
no i've gone on the internet to defend my sexual behaviour to ensure that people don't have a better experience in the future
To be fair if there's a silver lining, the entire film is about Spacey putting on the facade of being a decent person while being pure evil under the surface. So I suppose in that respect it still kind of works, albeit in an even more sinister context.
Of course. Most people understand that. The problem is that when it comes to things like consent there's a really important debate to be had. Especially at uni where young people will often experience the combination of sex and alcohol at the same time and it'd help for young people to feel open and comfortable and discussing what consent is and what it means. My fear is that people who want to claim any kind of intimate contact (hips, elbows) under any setting is somehow 'perverted' makes that task even harder than it needs to be. Hence going back to my point about it's disappointing that these things seem to be driven/sculpted often by the most hysterical voices.
One of the main things that would drive boys to disengage with discussions on consent is accusations, being accused of being 'perverts' or whatever. Making it even more important that discussion takes place in a backdrop where people aren't accusing people of being perverts on the basis that they understand that consent is often implicit and unspoken.
If it's good I'll watch it. Have no problem separating the art from the artist. Unless if the art is shit, then good riddance.
maybe instead of saying "well, i did that and i'm not this or that" listen to people when ask you not to do it
we've all done things that are wrong, but if you're unwilling to listen to people and keep up with the times you're going to wind up one of the old dinosaurs who resorts to "well, I was raised in a different time"
we've all done things that are wrong, but if you're unwilling to listen to people and keep up with the times you're going to wind up one of the old dinosaurs who resorts to "well, I was raised in a different time"
The funny thing is that in some colleges in the U.S., the level of affirmative consent policies in place move said forms from the jokes realm to a more practical stance.
I mean, it's not even tough to comprehend, but groping other people on the dance floor saying 'This is how things are done here' is just not enough
I couldn't imagine anything more of a mood killer than paperwork.
You can't fail to understand the point someone is making if you're going to start a sentence with 'it's not even tough to comprehend'
after all, you danced with them for 5 minutes how can they NOT be worshiping your dick
Any evidence for that? Or is it an exaggeration?
it's an exaggeration
Your 'Maude Flanders on the sex offenders register' act is getting a bit much now, I think.
I get why someone who presumably was quite known for making creepy comments, hence the tag, would be keen to overcompensate but really, reign it in a little. It's a bit obvious. You're worse than an ex-smoker.
I did give it my best shot, but maybe it wasn't enough
perhaps ending the exchange is for the best, at this rate you might feel we're intimate enough to grope me
You're an agenda setting virgin pushing your hysterical narrative that we should listen to the things women keep saying about not being so gropey. I'm gonna need a second opinion.