Celebrity Allegations, #MeToo etc

acnumber9 said:
Not that it’s alright or anything but those accusations don’t really relate to a sexual abuse thread.
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There isn't a thread(Well I couldn't find it) just talking about Fassbender and I did mention that it was violent abuse. Also on the last page people where talking about how Tarantino treats women actors. I just guessed this would be the best place to put the Fassbender stuff.
 
I strongly object to calling this boyo a "celebrity" - anytime I've seen him being interviewed he comes across as a massive cnut. So I do hope that, finally, he gets done..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-43141800

He's evaded the law for long enough and he's previously spouted bs about how he's "never learnt to treat women with some respect" like it's some kind of genetic blind spot he's got and therefore isn't responsible. Hopefully anyone else he's sexually assaulted will feel now is the time to come forward too.

Get the cnut nicked please.
 
Seems Brendan Fraser was sexually assaulted by a former HFPA president. Will link to it later or if someone wants to search for it, they can. It's a GQ story.
 
roseguy64 said:
Seems Brendan Fraser was sexually assaulted by a former HFPA president. Will link to it later or if someone wants to search for it, they can. It's a GQ story.
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Old news.
An article from 2004 barely 6 months after the incident.

Last year the actor Brendan Fraser demanded and received a written apology from both the association and from a longtime member, Philip Berk, after Mr. Berk grabbed Mr. Fraser's buttocks after a ceremony at which the actor announced the group's annual charitable donation.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/13/movies/lobbying-for-golden-globes-is-a-hollywood-ritual.html

The recent GQ article. Fraser goes into much more detail about the incident and the general harm it did to his career.

Certain pieces of what he tells me have already been told, it turns out—but this is the first time he's ever spoken publicly about any of it. The story he wants to relay took place, he says, in the summer of 2003, in the Beverly Hills Hotel, at a luncheon held by the Hollywood Foreign Press Association, the organization that hosts the Golden Globes. On Fraser's way out of the hotel, he was hailed by Philip Berk, a former president of the HFPA. In the midst of a crowded room, Berk reached out to shake Fraser's hand. Much of what happened next Berk recounted in his memoir and was also reported by Sharon Waxman in The New York Times: He pinched Fraser's ass—in jest, according to Berk. But Fraser says what Berk did was more than a pinch: “His left hand reaches around, grabs my ass cheek, and one of his fingers touches me in the taint. And he starts moving it around.” Fraser says that in this moment he was overcome with panic and fear.


Fraser eventually was able, he says, to remove Berk's hand. “I felt ill. I felt like a little kid. I felt like there was a ball in my throat. I thought I was going to cry.” He rushed out of the room, outside, past a police officer he couldn't quite bring himself to confess to, and then home, where he told his then wife, Afton, what had happened. “I felt like someone had thrown invisible paint on me,” he says now. (In an e-mail, Berk, who is still an HFPA member, disputed Fraser's account: “Mr. Fraser's version is a total fabrication.”)

In the aftermath of the encounter, Fraser thought about making it public. But ultimately, “I didn't want to contend with how that made me feel, or it becoming part of my narrative.” But the memory of what had happened, and the way it made him feel, stuck with him. His reps asked the HFPA for a written apology. Berk acknowledges that he wrote a letter to Fraser about the incident but says, “My apology admitted no wrongdoing, the usual ‘If I've done anything that upset Mr. Fraser, it was not intended and I apologize.’ ”

According to Fraser, the HFPA also said it would never allow Berk in a room with Fraser again. (Berk denies this, and the HFPA declined to comment for this story.) But still, Fraser says, “I became depressed.” He started telling himself he deserved what had happened to him. “I was blaming myself and I was miserable—because I was saying, ‘This is nothing; this guy reached around and he copped a feel.’ That summer wore on—and I can't remember what I went on to work on next.”

He knows now that people wonder what happened to Brendan Fraser, how he went from a highly visible public figure to practically disappearing in the public mind, and he'd already told me most of it. But this, he says, is the final piece. The experience, he says, “made me retreat. It made me feel reclusive.” He wondered if the HFPA had blacklisted him. “I don't know if this curried disfavor with the group, with the HFPA. But the silence was deafening.” Fraser says he was rarely invited back to the Globes after 2003. Berk denies that the HFPA retaliated against Fraser: “His career declined through no fault of ours.”

Fraser says the experience messed with his sense of “who I was and what I was doing.” Work, he says, “withered on the vine for me. In my mind, at least, something had been taken away from me.” This past fall, he watched other people come forward to talk about similar experiences, he says. “I know Rose [McGowan], I know Ashley [Judd], I know Mira [Sorvino]—I've worked with them. I call them friends in my mind. I haven't spoken to them in years, but they're my friends. I watched this wonderful movement, these people with the courage to say what I didn't have the courage to say.”

He was in a hotel room just weeks ago, watching the Globes on TV, Fraser says, as the actresses wore black and the actors wore Time's Up pins in solidarity, when the broadcast showed Berk in the room. He was there and Fraser was not.

“Am I still frightened? Absolutely. Do I feel like I need to say something? Absolutely. Have I wanted to many, many times? Absolutely. Have I stopped myself? Absolutely.”

On the phone, he breathes deeply. “And maybe I am over-reacting in terms of what the instance was. I just know what my truth is. And it's what I just spoke to you.”
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Statistics, we have a problem.
https://medium.com/@kristianlum/statistics-we-have-a-problem-304638dc5de5

It's not surprising that there's a problem in academia, where the power of the boss is absolute. The *only* way to continue in the field is to have a recommendation from your professor, so there is no way you can speak out or even resist a direct advance from your own boss, unless you want to give up everything.
 
Breaking News this morning that Allison Mack (Chloe in Smallville) has been arrested and faces 15 years to life in prison for sex trafficking in a cult.....crazy stuff.

Her Smallville co star Kristen Kreuk was also part of the same cult but left in 2013 whilst Nicki Clyne from BSG is also accused.

Apparently women were brought to the ‘group’ and groomed to be sex slaves for the leader Keith Raniere, they were branded like cattle in their pubic regions with both Alison Mack and Keith Raniere’s initials.

The most fecked up ‘where are they now’ story ever.
 
Castia said:
Breaking News this morning that Allison Mack (Chloe in Smallville) has been arrested and faces 15 years to life in prison for sex trafficking in a cult.....crazy stuff.

Her Smallville co star Kristen Kreuk was also part of the same cult but left in 2013 whilst Nicki Clyne from BSG is also accused.

Apparently women were brought to the ‘group’ and groomed to be sex slaves for the leader Keith Raniere, they were branded like cattle in their pubic regions with both Alison Mack and Keith Raniere’s initials.

The most fecked up ‘where are they now’ story ever.
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So sick.

Conspiracy theorists/4chan trolls out in force now as well ignoring that the girl pictured would have been too young to be Mack (girl pictured looks about 10-12, Mack would have been at least 25 at the time). That he has over 100k followers is frightening.
 
psychdelicblues said:
Old news.
An article from 2004 barely 6 months after the incident.



http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/13/movies/lobbying-for-golden-globes-is-a-hollywood-ritual.html

The recent GQ article. Fraser goes into much more detail about the incident and the general harm it did to his career.

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So some dude grabbed his ass at the party 15 years ago and it destroyed his life and career? Really? Just how precious and sensitive these people are? Frasier was something like 34, 35 at the time. I can understand how people who were abused in their childhood suffer afterwards and have problems getting their lives together, but this is a grown man, a Hollywood star in his 30s who claims his whole existence was upended because some dude groped his buttock at a party.
 
antihenry said:
So some dude grabbed his ass at the party 15 years ago and it destroyed his life and career? Really? Just how precious and sensitive these people are? Frasier was something like 34, 35 at the time. I can understand how people who were abused in their childhood suffer afterwards and have problems getting their lives together, but this is a grown man, a Hollywood star in his 30s who claims his whole existence was upended because some dude groped his buttock at a party.
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Not sure where you're going with this...
 
antihenry said:
So some dude grabbed his ass at the party 15 years ago and it destroyed his life and career? Really? Just how precious and sensitive these people are? Frasier was something like 34, 35 at the time. I can understand how people who were abused in their childhood suffer afterwards and have problems getting their lives together, but this is a grown man, a Hollywood star in his 30s who claims his whole existence was upended because some dude groped his buttock at a party.
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You are absolutely right. Let's close this thread, as majority of the incidents mentioned and discussed in this thread are related to Hollywood stars who were adults.
 
Everyone's been touched when they didn't want to be, haven't they?

Especially in the environment of noisy pubs and clubs where alcohol has been consumed, if you make a move or someone makes a move on you chances are at least some of the time the advances will be unwanted. It's kind of what happens. Hand on someone's elbow, feeling their hand on your lower back and moving lower. Not forgetting when someone moves in for a kiss and realises the other person isn't into them in that way.

What's the alternative? Clubs full of drunk people shouting things like "DO YOU MIND IF I PUT YOUR HAND ON YOUR BUM? WE HAVE BEEN DANCING FOR FIFTEEN MINUTES AND I'VE COME TO THE CONCLUSION THIS MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU WOULD ENJOY AND RECIPROCATE"

I don't really see where the long-term, emotional, mental scarring comes into it in all honestly.
 
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Witchking said:
You are absolutely right. Let's close this thread, as majority of the incidents mentioned and discussed in this thread are related to Hollywood stars who were adults.
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No, let's forget about all the real problems in the world and concentrate on trials and tribulations of Brendan Frasier because he can't get over the fact that some dude allegendly groped his ass a decade and a half ago.
 




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Oscie said:
Everyone's been touched when they didn't want to be, haven't they?

Especially in the environment of noisy pubs and clubs where alcohol has been consumed, if you make a move or someone makes a move on you chances are at least some of the time the advances will be unwanted. It's kind of what happens. Hand on someone's elbow, feeling their hand on your lower back and moving lower. Not forgetting when someone moves in for a kiss and realises the other person isn't into them in that way.

What's the alternative? Clubs full of drunk people shouting things like "DO YOU MIND IF I PUT YOUR HAND ON YOUR BUM? WE HAVE BEEN DANCING FOR FIFTEEN MINUTES AND I'VE COME TO THE CONCLUSION THIS MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU WOULD ENJOY AND RECIPROCATE"

I don't really see where the long-term, emotional, mental scarring comes into it in all honestly.
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You make it sound like any of that is okay.
 
Seems like the allegations are fairly comprehensive and thus very likely to be true. Disappointing.
 

Forgive me, touching and abuse yes but when did staring become part of it?
 
matherto said:
You make it sound like any of that is okay.
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Of course it is, that's what human beings have done since music and alcohol were invented until someone decided to analyse the shit out of it under the precursor that unless they find any form of looking at someone below the neck as exactly the same as rape then they'll be condemned as a sexual prisoner.

There's a difference between sexual assault and this new 'normal' were everyone has to pretend when they were young they kept restraining order-like distances from any member of the opposite sex and never went in for a kiss unless there was something signed in writing and notarised by her parents.

Everybody, unless they're a virgin, has made a move on someone who weren't willing to reciprocate or had a move made on them they weren't expecting and didn't want. That's what humans do. That's what humans have always done. Young people, particularly. Just go to any nightclub where strangers mingle on the dance floor after consumption of alcohol.

I can't remember a single occasion where I've asked for permission to kiss someone or been asked by someone if they could kiss me. I've never heard anyone do that either. That isn't how life works. You meet someone you like, you dance, you drink and you or they move in for a kiss. Chance they/you didn't want to kiss, you might pull away, you might go through with it and then afterwards regret it. It's not assault.

We're allowing the norms of intimacy to be rewritten by people who've clearly never experienced much of it.
 
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Oscie said:
Of course it is, that's what human beings have done since music and alcohol were invented until someone decided to analyse the shit out of it under the precursor that unless they find any form of looking at someone below the neck as exactly the same as rape then they'll be condemned as a sexual prisoner.

There's a difference between sexual assault and this new 'normal' were everyone has to pretend when they were young they kept restraining order-like distances from any member of the opposite sex and never went in for a kiss unless there was something signed in writing and notarised by her parents.

Everybody, unless they're a virgin, has made a move on someone who weren't willing to reciprocate or had a move made on them they weren't expecting and didn't want. That's what humans do. That's what humans have always done. Young people, particularly. Just go to any nightclub where strangers mingle on the dance floor after consumption of alcohol.
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and women are saying don't do it anymore so maybe listen to them
 
Adisa said:

Forgive me, touching and abuse yes but when did staring become part of it?
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If you're staring at someone's breasts to such a degree that other people not only notice but actually try to excuse it by saying it's something you always do, then it probably is part of it. That isn't the m.o. of non-creepy men.
 
Silva said:
and women are saying don't do it anymore so maybe listen to them
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Yeah you're always hearing women in nightclubs asking the DJ to stop playing music for a few seconds so her friend can act as witness to the verbal consent that the guy she's been dancing with for 20 minutes will hopefully gives once she asks if it's okay if she kisses him.

That's definitely how life works.
 
Oscie said:
Yeah you're always hearing women in nightclubs asking the DJ to stop playing music for a few seconds so her friend can act as witness to the verbal consent that the guy she's been dancing with for 20 minutes will hopefully gives once she asks if it's okay if she kisses him.

That's definitely how life works.
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You're doing great, keep it up
 
Oscie said:
Yeah you're always hearing women in nightclubs asking the DJ to stop playing music for a few seconds so her friend can act as witness to the verbal consent that the guy she's been dancing with for 20 minutes will hopefully gives once she asks if it's okay if she kisses him.

That's definitely how life works.
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they're saying don't assume they're okay with creeps like you grabbing their arse because they danced with you for 5 minutes
 
Oscie said:
Of course it is, that's what human beings have done since music and alcohol were invented until someone decided to analyse the shit out of it under the precursor that unless they find any form of looking at someone below the neck as exactly the same as rape then they'll be condemned as a sexual prisoner.

There's a difference between sexual assault and this new 'normal' were everyone has to pretend when they were young they kept restraining order-like distances from any member of the opposite sex and never went in for a kiss unless there was something signed in writing and notarised by her parents.

Everybody, unless they're a virgin, has made a move on someone who weren't willing to reciprocate or had a move made on them they weren't expecting and didn't want. That's what humans do. That's what humans have always done. Young people, particularly. Just go to any nightclub where strangers mingle on the dance floor after consumption of alcohol.

I can't remember a single occasion where I've asked for permission to kiss someone or been asked by someone if they could kiss me. I've never heard anyone do that either. That isn't how life works. You meet someone you like, you dance, you drink and you or they move in for a kiss. Chance they/you didn't want to kiss, you might pull away, you might go through with it and then afterwards regret it. It's not assault.

We're allowing the norms of intimacy to be rewritten by people who've clearly never experienced much of it.
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That's not really what's being discussed for the most part though. Most reasonable people understand that when it comes to stuff like this there's going to be miscommunication etc. But there's a difference between going in for a kiss and respectfully pulling away if someone says they'd rather not, and groping/trying to force yourself on someone.
 
Sounds like he thought he was some sort of top flirt, but was actually being a creepy old man.
 
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