Celebrity Allegations, #MeToo etc

RDCR07 said:
Did you write this to Netflix as well? "You have no solid facts so why did you cancel the show"?
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And you dont think they had planned to end it after season 6? All they are doing is taking a proactive approach and using it as publicity for themselves and yuppy idiots lap it up. If they were really "deeply troubled", they would not screen season 6 at all.
 
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Edgar Allan Pillow said:
There can be no solid facts. Most such incidents happen only when the people involved are present, or if at all very few witnesses. If multiple random people accuse a person, per law of probability it's not really unfair to suspect him of wrongdoing.
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So trial and convict someone for something as bad as pedophilla, on probability? Thats insane, how do you know its not grievance against him?
Being accused of being a Pedo is probably the worst label you can have. Some neutrality needs to be shown before throwing down the hammer and kicking innocent until proven guilty out the window

If he is a Pedo, chances are he would have viewed illegal content online and it will be upto the Police to obtain information from ISPs and making basis for a case to back up the victims claims, with solid facts
Until then you cant goes around making such sweeping statements about someone, on the back of a 30 year old accusation very thin on details. Well you can... but thats what the anonymity shield of social media gives..
 
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starman said:
And you dont think they had planned to end it after season 6? All they are doing is taking a proactive approach and using it as publicity for themselves and yuppy idiots lap it up. If they were really "deeply troubled", they would not screen season 6 at all.
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They have suspended production on S6 and given more allegations coming out, it may never resume or they would kill off Spacey’s character in a hacky way
 
2 Man Midfield said:
Kit Harrington has now apologised for being objectified by women. Apparently his feelings aren't as important because he isn't a woman.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/22981...m_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=benshapiro

Basically if twitter shouts loud enough, you apologise.
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From what I can gather from the article, Harrington was right with his initial statement. Gender stereotyping applies to women and men, and that whole cultural system can only work this way. Every credible type of feminism acknowledges that, is aiming to free everyone of that misery, while also insisting that it's usually men who get the better (often enough: much better) deal in a patriarchal culture.

The article's author manages the feat of simultaneously getting a lot of things right and still catering to anti-PC resentment, thus deserving the shitshow in the comment section.
 
Synco said:
From what I can gather from the article, Harrington was right with his initial statement. Gender stereotyping applies to women and men, and that whole cultural system can only work this way. Every credible type of feminism acknowledges that, is aiming to free everyone of that misery, while also insisting that it's usually men who get the better (often enough: much better) deal in a patriarchal culture.

The article's author manages the feat of simultaneously getting a lot of things right and still catering to anti-PC resentment, thus deserving the shitshow in the comment section.
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Well it is Daily Wire. I agree with the general sentiment though, Harrington was totally correct in his initial remarks and shouldn't have apologised.
 
Synco said:
From what I can gather from the article, Harrington was right with his initial statement. Gender stereotyping applies to women and men, and that whole cultural system can only work this way. Every credible type of feminism acknowledges that, is aiming to free everyone of that misery, while also insisting that it's usually men who get the better (often enough: much better) deal in a patriarchal culture.

The article's author manages the feat of simultaneously getting a lot of things right and still catering to anti-PC resentment, thus deserving the shitshow in the comment section.
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Judging people based on looks is just part of human nature and i don't think all the activism in the world will ever change that, especially in the entertainment industry where good looks is almost a prerequisite. It's a doubled edged sword, yes people will objectify you, but at the same time you get showered with praise, admiration and money because of your good looks, so i don't really feel sorry for you Kit
 
crappycraperson said:
They have suspended production on S6 and given more allegations coming out, it may never resume or they would kill off Spacey’s character in a hacky way
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Yup, but the show was due to finish after the next season regardless, well before the Spacey stories came about. But the internet has latched onto it being cancelled because of Spacey
 
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starman said:
Yup, but the show was due to finish after the next season regardless, well before the Spacey stories came about. But the internet has latched onto it being cancelled because of Spacey
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I know that's way I only mentioned suspension of next/last season.
 
Hey kid, have you ever seen Chinatown? Omg, it's a classic, you'll love it. Come over to my place later.
One recalled being invited over to Spacey's home in 1988 while working as an usher at a Connecticut theater, where the House of Cards star performed plays. Justin Dawes told the publication he was 16 years old at the time, and he and a friend showed up expecting to watch Roman Polanski's Chinatown. When they arrived, Spacey, then 29, served them cocktails while gay pornography played on the TV.

"We all had a drink, and we were kind of like, 'Oh, no one else is coming?' And he’s like, 'Oh, no one else decided to come,' and he never mentioned that this porn was playing," Dawes said. "It was really awkward."

He added, "He knew that I was in high school. It was pretty clear. It's not like I was pretending to be an older, cooler person."
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http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/ne...roping-showing-porn-a-teen-new-claims-1054990
 
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2 Man Midfield said:
Kit Harrington has now apologised for being objectified by women. Apparently his feelings aren't as important because he isn't a woman.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/22981...m_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=benshapiro

Basically if twitter shouts loud enough, you apologise.
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Or maybe he genuinely regretted the way he had phrased it? No, it has to be the outrage™.

By the way, here are some examples of other headlines I could find at a glance from that website:

Try to be a little bit more critical when it comes to sources.
 
R.N7 said:
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Never heard anything about bad stories about Seagal, always seems to be a bit of a prick in the way people talk about him. Don't want to presume but I wouldn't be shocked.
 
niMic said:
Or maybe he genuinely regretted the way he had phrased it? No, it has to be the outrage™.

By the way, here are some examples of other headlines I could find at a glance from that website:

Try to be a little bit more critical when it comes to sources.
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Jesus dude, could you be any more condescending? :lol:

I already said it was Daily wire, just read the article and ignore the slant they put on it. It isn't hard.
 
R.N7 said:
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I have no desire to defend Steven Seagal, but that story basically says she was asked to go over at 10, she reached at 10:40. The casting director wasnt there (never came or left by 10:40?) and she saw a gun which freaked her out and she left. Nothing about what Seagal said or did.
 
Seems to be a weird conflation between genuine sexual harassment and moralising over any kind of non-traditional sexual relationship. By which I mean two unmarried MPs having an affair or a homosexual MP tying it on with someone else he presumably thought was homosexual too, or an MP having legal porn on his computer.

Wary of the genuine horrific stories of sex crimes, particular at Westminster, being taken advantage of by the moralising and puritanical right wing.
 
Synco said:
From what I can gather from the article, Harrington was right with his initial statement. Gender stereotyping applies to women and men, and that whole cultural system can only work this way. Every credible type of feminism acknowledges that, is aiming to free everyone of that misery, while also insisting that it's usually men who get the better (often enough: much better) deal in a patriarchal culture.

The article's author manages the feat of simultaneously getting a lot of things right and still catering to anti-PC resentment, thus deserving the shitshow in the comment section.
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He is right though, good looking men like him are subject to all kinds of shite.

But lets be honest here, hes not got that part, or many of his others because he is a good actor, its because he is good looking, because the lad cant act his way out of a paper bag.

So you cant really complain about being asked to exploit your attractiveness when you know full well its the basis of your career.
 
prateik said:
Is there anyone not involved in Hollywood? Victims, abusers and people who must have known about it for years and kept quiet, letting it happen to more people.
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Yeah I know the fault lies with the actual abusers but some of the people now coming out are surely powerful enough in Hollywood to have survived speaking out.
 
It's strikingly curious how little President Tweet has had to say about all these revelations. One would think he'd be revelling in this, given how unpopular he is in Hollywood land. Hmm.
 
Ducklegs said:
He is right though, good looking men like him are subject to all kinds of shite.

But lets be honest here, hes not got that part, or many of his others because he is a good actor, its because he is good looking, because the lad cant act his way out of a paper bag.

So you cant really complain about being asked to exploit your attractiveness when you know full well its the basis of your career.
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But that's exactly what I said? So I don't think we have a disagreement here.

As for the rest, I don't think you have to earn the right to criticize something by suffering a lot from it. He said the industry's sexism applies to men too and that some experiences were uncomfortable for him. That's a fair statement. He didn't complain about life being harsh to him, which would indeed be ridiculous. He also didn't say the sexism he experienced was identical to the sexism against female actors, which is what he was apparently accused of. (Again, I'm judging only by what was quoted in the article.)

The whole hyperbole in that article ("victim", "plight", "suffering", "pain") originates from the author's jargon for populist reasons, which I criticized in the last sentence of my post.
 
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