Celebrity Allegations, #MeToo etc

Raoul said:
I'd say it does to a degree. We are innately animals who hook up based on hormones and emotions.
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We are. I've never struggled to do so, whilst being more careful than most to avoid touching/kissing anyone not desiring of such.
 
Will Absolute said:
I've been working hard to sink to new lows.
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I don't think you'll top the wink towards eugenics you made about a year ago. I'm not surprised you want to cull undesirables, but I must admit that being coy while being genocidal makes you especially easy to hate.
 
berbatrick said:
I don't think you'll top the wink towards eugenics you made about a year ago. I'm not surprised you want to cull undesirables, but I must admit that being coy while being genocidal makes you especially easy to hate.
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I doubt you'd have the least difficulty hating almost anyone, bt.

I don't remember the eugenics post, and it's not something I've ever approved of, so I'm mystified by that. I suppose I may have been posting on Redcafe under the influence of mind-altering drugs, but I'm not sure they're to be found in Coca Cola and steak and potatoes. I've always had my suspicions about Lyons tea though.
 
The biggest surprise for me this week is that Spacey was a closet gay. I didn’t realise he had not come out and always assumed he was gay. The stories about him being a kiddy fiddler are hardy new either.

The film & theatre industry has always been full of sexual predators, men AND women. So why are all these people suddenly coming out with all these stories? Everybody knew, so why wait until now? Or is furthering your own career more important than stopping sexual predators from harming even more victims?! Hypocrites the lot of them!!
 
This appears to be getting a little out of hand.

Yesterday, the woman said: He put his hand on my knee, I told him to feck off and that was the end of it, move on.

Today someone else said: He brushed my knee and sent me a text saying he fancied me, I feel violated.

ffs, I hope the police don't have to waste any of their time on crap like that when there are people actually being raped out there.
 
I don’t see much wrong with Spacey’s statement either, assuming a) this is the only time this has happened, and b) he’s telling the truth about not remembering. Seems fair to address his sexuality too, seeing as he’s pretty much been outed, and questions were going to get asked anyway.

If a and b are true I don’t think he deserves to have his career ruined either. Polanski did much worse and the hypocrites in Hollywood haven’t hesitated to work with him, with many of them even signing a public letter of support to him a few years back. Or that creepy fecker Woody Allen.
 
Ben Affleck groped that one tree hill actress' breast. Weird lot these stars are.
 
Sassy Colin said:
This appears to be getting a little out of hand.

Yesterday, the woman said: He put his hand on my knee, I told him to feck off and that was the end of it, move on.

Today someone else said: He brushed my knee and sent me a text saying he fancied me, I feel violated.

ffs, I hope the police don't have to waste any of their time on crap like that when there are people actually being raped out there.
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Yeah, I'm not sure what to make of all of this hoopla.
 
If you read through the thread you'd get an impression that all that was going on was Weinstein and the rest of those feckers forcing themselves on and sexually harrassing these countless actresses, but you never hear about those that willingly had sex to advance their careers. It's like they don't exist. But we all know that's bullshit, it works the other way, too. In fact, there are young starlets that aggressively look to find their way in the business by sleeping with the right guy. They're just as much users as those men that are being talked about here. And we all know that happens, too. Isn't that also a part of the problem?
 
antihenry said:
If you read through the thread you'd get an impression that all that was going on was Weinstein and the rest of those feckers forcing themselves on and sexually harrassing these countless actresses, but you never hear about those that willingly had sex to advance their careers. It's like they don't exist. But we all know that's bullshit, it works the other way, too. In fact, there are young starlets that aggressively look to find their way in the business by sleeping with the right guy. They're just as much users as those men that are being talked about here. And we all know that happens, too. Isn't that also a part of the problem?
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I think there have been posters who raised this point, I think I did too. It goes 2 ways.
 
antihenry said:
If you read through the thread you'd get an impression that all that was going on was Weinstein and the rest of those feckers forcing themselves on and sexually harrassing these countless actresses, but you never hear about those that willingly had sex to advance their careers. It's like they don't exist. But we all know that's bullshit, it works the other way, too. In fact, there are young starlets that aggressively look to find their way in the business by sleeping with the right guy. They're just as much users as those men that are being talked about here. And we all know that happens, too. Isn't that also a part of the problem?
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The issue at hand is consent which in your scenario is seemingly given so no, that's not a problem.
 
adexkola said:
It's not only consent. It's also the lack of an ethical culture in Hollywood and other industries.
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That may well be an issue, but it's not the issue at hand.

Saying that people trying to sleep their way to the top is in any way comparable to creeps like Weinstein forcing themselves on people is ridiculous.
 
antihenry said:
If you read through the thread you'd get an impression that all that was going on was Weinstein and the rest of those feckers forcing themselves on and sexually harrassing these countless actresses, but you never hear about those that willingly had sex to advance their careers. It's like they don't exist. But we all know that's bullshit, it works the other way, too. In fact, there are young starlets that aggressively look to find their way in the business by sleeping with the right guy. They're just as much users as those men that are being talked about here. And we all know that happens, too. Isn't that also a part of the problem?
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Unless those women are sexually harassing and assaulting these men against their will, I don't see the purpose of your point?
 
VorZakone said:
I think there have been posters who raised this point, I think I did too. It goes 2 ways.
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The two can't be equated. In one case, two people are consenting to treat sex as a transaction to been it both sides. It may be immoral but it is what the two of them want. The other is of sexual assault/rape.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
The two can't be equated. In one case, two people are consenting to treat sex as a transaction to been it both sides. It may be immoral but it is what the two of them want. The other is of sexual assault/rape.
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It is clearly worse to buy sex (i.e. offering positions) than to sell sex, especially when the buyer is richer, more powerful and much older. Clinton obviously has much more responsibility and power to refuse sex than an intern like Lewinsky, even if there's consent.

Obviously the situation above is not rape or assault, but it can still be in the legal and/or moral grey zone if the person in power insists a bit too much or is borderline harassing.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Ben Affleck groped that one tree hill actress' breast. Weird lot these stars are.
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They're as weird as we make them. It's as weird as the fact that we artificially place them higher than us in status. Celebrity culture and everything to do with it is extremely odd.

Give a human being power over anyone or anything and they'll be corrupted by it, doesn't matter how good they are generally, power will change even the best of us.

Celebrities have a huge amount of power, not a surprise most if not all of them are dickheads and have done dickheaded things related to abuse of their power.

We're not a good species.
 
Rado_N said:
That may well be an issue, but it's not the issue at hand.

Saying that people trying to sleep their way to the top is in any way comparable to creeps like Weinstein forcing themselves on people is ridiculous.
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I'm not trying to equate the two.

There is an interaction between the two actions. In a sensible company, there is a code of ethics and conduct that prohibits even the appearance of favoritism or fast-tracks to increased access, based on sex, gifts, authority, etc... That instantly clamps down on the people who would otherwise use sex or gifts to non-meritoriously climb the ladder, and it ALSO deters people who may look to use their authority or benefits to force, coerce, or aid sexual behavior on subordinates. If I have sex with a subordinate, even willingly, without disclosure and recusal from potential conflicts of interest, I would be fired, full stop,

But if you are in an industry where anything goes, and the term "casting couch" is an accepted norm, then a space is created for predators and power-brokers to use their influence to pressure young men and women to have sex, either "willingly" or not. And allegations are not taken seriously, brushed under the carpet because anything goes in Hollywood, or/and used to beat down and blacklist aspiring actors/actresses.

Just focusing on unwanted advances misses the point. It's why the likes of Uber are overhauling their entire Ethics policies, and the government takes the letter and spirit of Ethics Compliance into account when aggravating/mitigating company sanctions.

Got fed-forced several hours of ethics online classes last night to meet the month deadline, so it's still fresh in my head. An
 
My point was, all those men using their power and status to harrass these women and men are scum. So are those women and men that willingly use sex to advance their showbiz careers. Not only they get ahead of their at times more talented peers by virtue of having no integrity and low morality, their behaviour contributes to those predators' sense of entitlement. Those powerful Hollywood men are so used at pussy being thrown at them on a regular basis, they clearly lose sense of reality and start living in their own world where they feel they can touch, grab, molest or have sex with whoever they want, because they've gone mad with power and seemingly were able to get away with it for a very long time.

The consent issue I'm not arguing about, it's clear who's in the wrong here and nobody's defending or justifying what those men did.
 
antihenry said:
My point was, all those men using their power and status to harrass these women and men are scum. So are those women and men that willingly use sex to advance their showbiz careers. Not only they get ahead of their at times more talented peers by virtue of having no integrity and low morality, their behaviour contributes to those predators' sense of entitlement. Those powerful Hollywood men are so used at pussy being thrown at them on a regular basis, they clearly lose sense of reality and start living in their own world where they feel they can touch, grab, molest or have sex with whoever they want, because they've gone mad with power and seemingly were able to get away with it for a very long time.

The consent issue I'm not arguing about, it's clear who's in the wrong here and nobody's defending or justifying what those men did.
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From what I can gauge from your post, you take objection with those who trade favours in return for an improvement to their professional career.
The issue I take with your post is that you're only using the example of women sleeping with more powerful men, and it comes across as though that's the only instance in which this happens - and that couldn't be further from the truth.

In any industry, at any level - people use their connections in order to help them progress further and more quickly than if they opted to take the traditional route.
The foundation of networking is built on this. You have members clubs which are invite only, and if you can get access you'll be in touch with various members who may be able to influence your work life for example - they may know a hiring manager at the company you're interviewing for and can put in a recommendation for you.
On the flip side, like you said you then have other people who are being denied a fair opportunity to showcase their ability because of these connections, and won't even be aware of it.

So ultimately, if you're going to make the accusation that women and men are willing to use sex to advance their careers - then that argument should be applied not just to showbiz, but to every industry, and not just explicitly sex either - which is why I asked what the point of bringing up that point was in the first place, it only serves to distract from this issue imo.
 
Don't know why the media use terms like "sexual misconduct" when it's clearly rape.

Add Jeremey Piven on the set of Entourage to the list. Again, not in the least bit surprising. What's surprising is these guys flat out denying multiple accusations. Toback's got 300+ women accusing him and he's still all in with the "it never happened" defense.
 
vi1lain said:
The foundation of networking is built on this. You have members clubs which are invite only, and if you can get access you'll be in touch with various members who may be able to influence your work life for example - they may know a hiring manager at the company you're interviewing for and can put in a recommendation for you.
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The Fraternity Paradox: Lower GPA, Higher Incomes
Party more, study less and still do better than other male graduates in the work force. What's the secret?
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-10-06/the-fraternity-paradox-lower-gpa-higher-incomes
 
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