Dan
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Why is it still allowed? It's a fascist symbol.
I know our government are a bunch of crooks and thieves but I'm so tired of the catalan holier than thou attitude.
They're always the saints who can do no wrong and everyone else is evil.
Seriously, if I could I would give them another yes-vote, just to get rid of their endless whining and crying.
I would like to see you after police has beaten you.They are such posers.
Fakers too, always trying to make stuff up.
Videos are absolutely shocking. Spanish government doing their best to turn more people to vote yes or to want an independence. Police are beating anyone in most brutal way even when people are raising their hands...
Hasn't Spanish government learned anything from Scottish referendum.
I hope this won't turn into a civil war... reminds me a bit of Yugoslavia in 1990.
I would like to see you after police has beaten you.
Catalans but maybe Madrid will send the army.It will not, Catalans have clear that eveything has to be completely pacific, no violent reaction. They will be always a couple of people that they can help themselve. But the procedure is very clear and we repeat it all the time, peaceful behaviour
Terrible post by the guy. He's so brave behind the keyboard.Nah, is so funny!! lets all laugh at beaten people. it si funny if it is from 2012 instead of 2017
This video and the others with people getting dragged down stairs imo is completely the wrong way about going to do things. Why not instead say let's have a discussion to see when to have a legally authorised referendum vote? Imagine if the British police did this sort of thing in Scotland.. it would be crazy and would be condemned worldwide. I have no idea why the Spanish gov and police think they can get away with it. Least of all long-term it does nothing to help rift the divisions with Catalonia to make them want to remain, rather really shows the divisions to a new generation.
I hope this won't turn into a civil war... reminds me a bit of Yugoslavia in 1990.
Catalans but maybe Madrid will send the army.
How so? I wonder about thoughts like this since it's been mentioned time after time. Does Catalonia even have such an option if it ever came to that? Wouldn't it be more like a massacre and then an insurgency.
They are such posers.
Fakers too, always trying to make stuff up.
Croatia declared independence, Belgrade sent an army who was dividing Croatian Serbs and Croatians at first but then turned against Croatia. In short, very very short.How so? I wonder about thoughts like this since it's been mentioned time after time. Does Catalonia even have such an option if it ever came to that? Wouldn't it be more like a massacre and then an insurgency.
How so? I wonder about thoughts like this since it's been mentioned time after time. Does Catalonia even have such an option if it ever came to that? Wouldn't it be more like a massacre and then an insurgency.
Wold be a massacre...no insurgency afterwards. There is no guns in Spain, I never seen one beside the police. There is not that kind of mentality. Would never happen like yougoslavia
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Wold be a massacre...no insurgency afterwards. There is no guns in Spain, I never seen one beside the police. There is not that kind of mentality. Would never happen like yougoslavia
Yeah, so funny.They are such posers.
Fakers too, always trying to make stuff up.
Rajoy has learnt something from Franco. Both are from Galicia.
Rajoy has learnt something from Franco. Both are from Galicia.
It has some similarities with Yugoslavian wars (especially Slovenia and Kosovo). Like Slovenia, Catalonia is easily the richest region in the country (GDP per capita), while also being the most progressive. Of course, they don't have capabilities to defend against an army (neither did Slovenia for that matter).How so? I wonder about thoughts like this since it's been mentioned time after time. Does Catalonia even have such an option if it ever came to that? Wouldn't it be more like a massacre and then an insurgency.
I agree. I don't see the comparison as being a good one. I don't even think of Spanish people as being the aggressive sort. This country is passive to the point that it makes me angry at times.
It has some similarities with Yugoslavian wars (especially Slovenia and Kosovo). Like Slovenia, Catalonia is easily the richest region in the country (GDP per capita), while also being the most progressive. Of course, they don't have capabilities to defend against an army (neither did Slovenia for that matter).
There are obviously similarities with Kosovo too. For a start, people are of some other nationality. Secondly, the separatists are totally peaceful while the government is being brutal. Separatists cannot fight an open war with the government (and neither they wish so). If you look at the situation in Kosovo between 1990-1997 it looks very similar and the Kosovan resistance was peaceful, but things escalated to war after the peaceful resistance didn't bring nothing. If Spain continues like this, you can fully expect the peaceful resistance to get transformed into a guerrilla war.
Obviously, Spain is much more powerful than Serbia (for that matter Catalonia is more powerful than Slovenia or Kosovo), and being a member of NATO helps a lot too. But a civil war (if it happens), while being totally destructive for Catalonia, will cripple Spain too, and most likely will end with a divided crippled Spain, expelled from EU.
Of course, this looks like a worst case scenario and hopefully won't happen. Instead, I think that Spain will settle for some deal that gives Catalonia the same status as Basque country, with a referendum in the future officially making Catalonia independent. Or at least, I think that this is what should happen.
Of course, this looks like a worst case scenario and hopefully won't happen. Instead, I think that Spain will settle for some deal that gives Catalonia the same status as Basque country, with a referendum in the future officially making Catalonia independent. Or at least, I think that this is what should happen.
If Spain continues like this, you can fully expect the peaceful resistance to get transformed into a guerrilla war.
Probably not, but that doesn't take away that a lot of them are making stuff up to suit their agenda. Which is sad in times like these tbh.Are the vídeos of the GC hitting people, elders, with their arms raised, or catalan fire fighters trying to protect people fake as well?
I can't talk about comparisons because I don´t know in first person the situation in eslovenia and Kosovo, but knowing my fellow catalans, I see it almost impossible.
As I see impossible status as Basque country possible. First because spanish government will never " surrender" to that, and secondly because we cross the line, we want out.
This is really shocking. You'll hear nothing from the EU too.
Time for Portugal to step in, I reckon.
Probably not, but that doesn't take away that a lot of them are making stuff up to suit their agenda. Which is sad in times like these tbh.
I'm not laughing at beaten people, I'm laughing at pathetic cnuts making stuff up. If I didn't know any better I'd say you're trying to do exactly the same with your post..Nah, is so funny!! lets all laugh at beaten people. it si funny if it is from 2012 instead of 2017
Just a curiosity, since Portugal was mentioned. In 1640 the catalans rebelled for independence and the spanish king moved his army there. We took the chance to rebel when we heard the news and we were able to restore our independence.
So kind of indirectly Catalonia helped our independence.