Hopefully some players situations will help our negotiation stance. Clyne and Gundogan entering the last year of their contracts etc.
Cash to be splashed: Summer 2015
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Both players and LvG
Plus we'll have extra money when we sell players like Nani, Hernandez, Rafael and Evans.
and De Gea
and De Gea
Clearly your statement implies Van Gaal is more to blame given that "whatever we spend" won't be enough to turn around performances.
I hope United spunk hundreds of millions on players in the summer.
1st of all - its not our money, so who gives a flyin. Secondly, we've bought so many cheap alternatives to top-notch players because Fergie & Gill were on their moral high-ground. Thirdly - we'll suss out the scousers in disguise on here, that will shite on about us buying success. Fourthly - it's not our money, so who gives a flyin (point 1 again)..
1st of all - its not our money, so who gives a flyin. Secondly, we've bought so many cheap alternatives to top-notch players because Fergie & Gill were on their moral high-ground. Thirdly - we'll suss out the scousers in disguise on here, that will shite on about us buying success. Fourthly - it's not our money, so who gives a flyin (point 1 again)..
Depends. Potentially less than 100m, but if a really top drawer player were to be available I think we'd go for it (Bale, Pogba etc). If not I expect a couple players at around 20-30m (Depay and a CM) and a couple less expensive ones (CB and RB)
Also there's the possibility we sell Di Maria. If we recouped 40-50m on him plus not taking up the option to sign Falcao, then there's an additional 80-90m transfer budget right there.
Also there's the possibility we sell Di Maria. If we recouped 40-50m on him plus not taking up the option to sign Falcao, then there's an additional 80-90m transfer budget right there.
Agree. For years we have dined on teams that out spend us by miles. Now, we are that team and aren't even getting commensurate results.
I blame LvG totally. He's the manager & obviously didnt listen to the club (bar Shaw signing) or read the reports on our defence over the previous seasons - shit form & injury-prone the lot of them. Not to mention draggin the shit outta the Vidal thing & signing Blind as his plan B. Blind is an LB & a very good one. He's not a CM. He's way too powder-puff.
He instead decided give all the defenders a chance throughout the summer & left it too late to tempt clubs or players to come here when he realised they werent up to it. We paid the price yet again. We could have won the league if we'd bought solid top-class defenders. Instead we played three at the back with novices like McNair (way out of his league as a CB & seems he wants to be an attacker) & Blackett (great passer, but not a 1st team CM by a country mile), to compliment the injury-prone & out of his depth Jones, and Smalling who's by far the better of the two, but not a Rio or Vida even if you were on acid watchin him. Feckin shit buzz that would be too..
I love LvG, but its rediculous to blow smoke up someones arse (like you'd do backstage at a Fleetwood Mac gig in the 80's) when you know he could have signed better players that we needed in key positions. His ego took over when he started the job - that he could mould a world-class team out of what we have already (especially in defence) & it was too late to sort it out.
The Depay transfer was a fluke too. He was off to PSG. LvG was gonna let it linger til after the season ended & miss out; even after PSV had already won the Dutch league ffs. So Woody probably got in his ear & said "we're signing him now or he's gone".
United are a one man team & that man is Carrick. He makes us tick. LvG messed up not bringing in a player of Carricks ilk & he had only one alternative to Vidal - Blind. Thats feckin rediculous for a club of our stature.
I dont see United lettin LvG dither this summer like he did last summer. Woody's not gonna let that happen now that he's settled into his role..
Hopefully LvG & Woody are in the same page quickly, because Woody wants to bring the best players to the club & not plan B's because of dithering..
If we didnt have De Gea - then we wouldnt be this close to Champions League football next season. That sumarises our season!
Around 60-65 million should do it
Would you have a problem with us spunkin a shitload on multiple world-class players & did you not get the memo that Prem clubs have a shitload of money to spend now due to the tv rights deal?
Who you gonna buy with that & how many players do you think we need?
From what the papers have been saying, Gundogan and Hummels for around 50m with a RB signing there in between. Not included Falcao signing in there.
Well we already spent 23m, we definitely won't sign Falcao, and the Hummels and Gundogan deals would more likely be 60m combined. So that's around 80m already, and we'll almost definitely sign Clyne, so that's what, 15m more?
We'll spend I think 100m at least, and we'll probably get another player after those 4.
Damn! Completely forgot Depay in that calculation. Stupid of me. It's 7am and I work from 6:30 so that was probably me typing in my sleep!!
In a perfect summer to address all our issues in one go, the amount would be somewhat staggering.
Hummels 30mill
Gundogan 20mill
Depay 25mill
Schneiderlin 25mill
Clyne 15mill
Benteke 25mill
thats about.. 140mill.
Hummels 30mill
Gundogan 20mill
Depay 25mill
Schneiderlin 25mill
Clyne 15mill
Benteke 25mill
thats about.. 140mill.
Yes we need to spend a lot. Far too many average players in this side.
Replacement for Carrick
Another #8
A centre half
Right back
Striker
And depending on formation, if still 433 then possible another winger too.
Replacement for Carrick
Another #8
A centre half
Right back
Striker
And depending on formation, if still 433 then possible another winger too.
I truly believe we will get the majority signings out of the way quickly because we are going to invest ALOT of time this window into chasing one "big name" player.
Be it bale, pogba, Reus, someone like that.
Be it bale, pogba, Reus, someone like that.
Erm...so I'm assuming you replied to the wrong post?
How much can we spend as we have FFP to watch out for?
That would be my list but instead of clyne I would prefer to have the Italian RB Darmian he just has more quality than Clyne.
Darmian/Alves instead of Clyne and Dybala/Lacazette/Vietto instead of Benteke and we will suddenly have one of the strongest team in Europe, and as good if not better than Chelsea's team.
A lot depends on who leaves as well.
United don't have to worry about FFP at all.
Would be very happy with that.
...............De Gea
Clyne-Smalling-Hummels-Shaw
Herrera-Schneiderlin-Gundogan
Di Maria-Benteke/Rooney-Depay
I assume Schneiderlin can play DM?
Nah, not at all man - right post reply. You were coming across as penny-pinching with the clubs loot & that's why i asked if you had a problem with us spending huge this summer on top quality players we need..
No more cheap alternatives is the way forward for us to compete for the title again. Get proven quality players in - especially at CB & CM..
What the hell are you on about?
I said we might spend less than 100m but if we can land a top player it might be a lot more, how the feck is that penny pinching
Agree about Blind, good LB cover, but no Carrick.
I'm sure the management know it's going to take quality to catch Chelsea, never mind Barca, Madrid and Bayern.
And the purse strings are looser that 5 years ago, but competition for elite players has never been higher.
What the hell are you on about?
I said we might spend less than 100m but if we can land a top player it might be a lot more, how the feck is that penny pinching
I meant penny-pinchin with regard to the bold text.
Payin less than 20-30m for a CB?
That wont buy a top-class CB of the likes of: Hummels / Varane / Otamendi / Marquinhos / Laporte etc.. Of which we need two..
Right now Gabe - we're properly in the competition to bring in the best players, like never before man. We're willing to pay the wages as a softner for lack of sunshine & lifestyle etc..
FFP is still a major problem for many top clubs though & we dont have that problem. Di Maria would have gone to PSG if they could have got rid of Cavani. They couldnt spend until they sold.
We're in a great position to turn players heads now & given the Depay signing (where he chose us over PSG) - we're beginning to live up to Woody's expectations of attracting the best players around.
Are you insane? Most of those we can consider big stars, see my first paragraph and it should be clear to you. Additionally the entire concept of the thread, plus the opening words of my sentence that you have taken issue with, is about what we expect not what we want. Penny pinchinh indeed. Crawl back into your box.
Oh, i get that its a thread of what we think the club might spend, but equally you didnt prioritise a CB as being a big spend the club will make, which i thought was odd - given the CB's we've been linked with & the one's i noted who would cost a shitload.
As regards to your early morn jolly aul put-downs - there's no need for that shit dude. I never attacked you. Monday blues eh?
The bold text of your previous post, is in reference to your "see my first paragraph and it should be clear to you.." line of instruction; to aide me in the process of understanding it all
You segregated the CB position from your top drawer category in the 1st paragraph & placed it in the less expensive category of under 20-30m.
From reading your initial post, you didnt consider a CB to be top-drawer - unlike Bale or Pogba, but you're now saying the list of CB's we've been linked with, are "big stars".. aka top drawer!
We dont need to get aggro with one another when we question someone's comments for Christ sake. Its just debatin what the others thinkin etc. and giving your point of view back.
Sorry that you've taken the hump with my replies - but i wasnt tryin to rile you man. It was honest questions is all & no malice or lookin for a verbal whatsoever..
Oh, i get that its a thread of what we think the club might spend, but equally you didnt prioritise a CB as being a big spend the club will make, which i thought was odd - given the CB's we've been linked with & the one's i noted who would cost a shitload.
As regards to your early morn jolly aul put-downs - there's no need for that shit dude. I never attacked you. Monday blues eh?
The bold text of your previous post, is in reference to your "see my first paragraph and it should be clear to you.." line of instruction; to aide me in the process of understanding it all
You segregated the CB position from your top drawer category in the 1st paragraph & placed it in the less expensive category of under 20-30m.
From reading your initial post, you didnt consider a CB to be top-drawer - unlike Bale or Pogba, but you're now saying the list of CB's we've been linked with, are "big stars".. aka top drawer!
We dont need to get aggro with one another when we question someone's comments for Christ sake. Its just debatin what the others thinkin etc. and giving your point of view back.
Sorry that you've taken the hump with my replies - but i wasnt tryin to rile you man. It was honest questions is all & no malice or lookin for a verbal whatsoever..
Yeah sorry I started work at 7am this morning so I'm a bit grouchy
CBs are cheaper than midfielders and forwards generally, there's only a handful of CBs I think are worth more than 20-30m. I think we might well sign an older, experienced CB who will be cheaper than the young 'next big thing' CBs.
Yeah sorry I started work at 7am this morning so I'm a bit grouchy
CBs are cheaper than midfielders and forwards generally, there's only a handful of CBs I think are worth more than 20-30m. I think we might well sign an older, experienced CB who will be cheaper than the young 'next big thing' CBs.
Ah sorry man, i didnt mean to put the guilts on ya. Just wanted to chuck the aul Olive branch towards ya is all. Hate havin any kind of barney's with folk on here. Feel bad now. Sorry mate
Totally agree that CB's tend to be way cheaper than up-fielders (if that's even a word
), but the likes of Thiago Silva goin to PSG for €42m back in 2012 (world record fee for a defender at the time), has rocked the boat somewhat. He was a prized player for Milan, he didnt want to go, but Milan were skint & Burlusconi forced the sale in the end.David Luiz rediculously goining PSG for £50m in 2014, has maybe set a brand new precedent with clubs considering selling prized CB's now though. Not that Luiz was prized at Chelsea of course - Mourinho couldnt wait to get rid of the clown, but PSG thought he was world class anyway. Probably to pair the potential world cup winners together
& increase the clubs status / profile & generate outside income, like we're masters at. Brazil were woeful at the World Cup, but PSG look like a pretty decent team now though with those 2 pairings & its always great to see Chelsea get beat by anyone - unless we need them not to, of course (like yesterday).Benatia went to Bayern for €30m (£23.9m) - the same weekend he was allegedly coming to us (on the plane too
), but for a reported £30m fee (€41.46m at todays rate). Then Martinez did his knee & that was that.We'll always end up payin more than most clubs for players - not just domestically. Top clubs that sell a player to another top team, try to milk as much out of them to devour their transfer kitty, so the selling club cant boost the funds for our other targets & take us out of the running for their targets. Not anymore though. We're minted & can afford £50m+ transfers for the right player. Its our own money too, so feck FFP & the "United only buy success.." campers.
I dig what you're sayin about an experienced CB coming in - that's exactly what we need man. Generally they'd be cheaper, but so many of the new breed of top-class CB's around, are mid-20's & have a wealth of experience behind them because they've been blooded very early. So its kinda like buyin an old head on new shoulders.
My plan B's for last summer were Vlaar & De Vrij. They both worked very well together at the world cup & their prices wouldnt have been extravagant either. Vlaar had the experience & De Vrij was on the up & possibly the better of the 2 CB's for Holland too. So to me, it was perfect for them to slot in seemlessly at United & become our No.1 CB partnership & give Smalling & Jones something to think about.
I wasnt taken with LvG goin for Rojo - given that he played LB for the Argies at the world cup, but i think he's class as a CB. Real Vida / Brucie-like qualities of puttin your body on the line, but also makin the right decisions for the team & not just wreckin yourself to prove your willing to for the cause.
Quite possibly, Rojo's collar-bone dislocation might fall into that latter category though, but then again - it was a bittuva freak accident the way he landed. Still though - you gotta choose those blood-rushes to the head if you're a CB & not do it way outside the box all the time. He's makin an impact on me thats for sure. Great passer also..
Personally, i'd love to see Hummels & Varane at United. Hummels seems like he's been round the block & yet he's still only 26 (27 in Dec), so thats an experienced head on young shoulders & a world cup winner to boot, so he knows how to win & influence others around him too.
Varane has potential to be as good as Rio (if not better) - which is some feat. We tried to sign him from Lens in 2011, but that Zidane fella talked him into signing for Real instead - what an asshole
His potential wont happen if he continues to be stuck in a rut at Real though. Thats why we should push the boat out now & try to sign him. Splash £30m+ if we have to. His potential is incredible & he's only 22. We bought Rio (24 years old) for £34m in total with all the add-on's paid up, so we'd be buyin a player 2 years younger with the potential to be better than our Rio.
Fantasy football talk i know, but money talks with fooballers.
Sorry for the essay Row, it wasnt my intention man - never is, but seems to turn out that way sometimes
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I just think that the sums of the last years for transfers rose and will still rise a lot this season. With the EPL contract the amount that is in the market rose by a margin - and there is not more quality in it.
The Observer says that the LVG as £150,000,000 to spend and his main priorities is to get Pogba and keep De Gea.
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Unfortunately I doubt he will do either.
£82 million
If you exclude Depay as a signing in this bracket.
If you exclude Depay as a signing in this bracket.
If Ed can get Pogba for £150k he is officially the World's best negotiator
Yeah. He would be a bit of a legend if he pulled that of.