This is Man United... we have been crying for a CDM, we get the best one and one that we thought we only could dream about BUT now we complain about us paying 60 or 70m (also us not spending enough has been a big issue). Who cares how much we spent if he is the player we need? Give him a CM that can play deep and carry the ball forward and we will have a top 5 midfield in the world. FDJ would be the perfect partner.
Casemiro | United Player
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Seemingly no smoke about second midfielder
Only teasing
Only teasing
Been reading a lot about him maybe playing against Liverpool but Real Madrid website says:
"On Monday 22 August, at 11:30 am (CET), an institutional act of tribute and farewell to Casemiro will take place at Real Madrid City, with the presence of our club president, Florentino Pérez.
After this ceremony, Casemiro will appear before the media in the press room at Real Madrid City."
https://www.realmadrid.com/en/news/2022/08/19/official-announcement-casemiro
"On Monday 22 August, at 11:30 am (CET), an institutional act of tribute and farewell to Casemiro will take place at Real Madrid City, with the presence of our club president, Florentino Pérez.
After this ceremony, Casemiro will appear before the media in the press room at Real Madrid City."
https://www.realmadrid.com/en/news/2022/08/19/official-announcement-casemiro
It’s not 80m Euros either. It’s £60m and £10m in add ons that you have no idea will be satisfied.
How old will he be in 17 months? He will still be younger than Van Dijk or De Bruyne, two of the best in the league that would go for north of that price.
Oh just go back and read my post will you.
He wasn't registered in time
I’ve read it. What hidden meaning do you think there is in there? You’ve just taken the most negative view possible so you can moan about it. There’s plenty to moan about without pointless exaggeration.
Bitter cnut.
What a fecking whopper
Nobody's fecking moaning. I said I would rather we do business they way Madrid did, they bought him for 6m when he was 21 and sold him for 80m at 30. They have now bought another 21 year old DM. Can't I have an opinion? Then you go and bring up De Bruyne as an age example. Totally erelavent to what I'm saying. How old was De Bruyne when city bought him? 25. That's all I'm saying. I would rather we bought young. There's no moaning and no exaggeration. You're the one who's exagerating by saying I've taken then most negative possible view. Nothing wrong with what I said so just fecking relax already.
£70m and a 5 year deal. We are morons.
Well the biggest problem is that we tried to get the same DM that Madrid bought but he only wanted Real Madrid, not even the double money that PSG was offering was enough. We are in a shitty position and we cant pick and choose right now, we should be more then happy that our money (probably) was enough to convince him to join us when he still has 3-4 more years to give because the risk that we would play McFred was huge. But i agree, it would have been better if he was 10 years younger, but right now there is still a lot that could be a lot better, starting with the owners...
Desperate. Should have been a 3+2 years contract, i think we can get 3 good season from him, then extend with 1 year if it worth it. But we are not in a position to make demands with these kinds of players right now. So either we give the starplayers what they want and except the fact that they will not join us and go for players that the biggest club are not interested in.
We can't compete with PSG, City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern right now, maybe not even Arsenal, Tottenham, Juventus, Inter, Milan (because their clubs are based in more attractive cities). So if we did not offer him 5 years or Real Madrid 70m, none of them would have accepted the deal.
It's 70 including add ons. If we are pushing towards 10 million more then it would mean that he is playing well for United
There's no getting away from the fact that the financials in this deal are absolutely mental.
Then you deal with the issue that this is a player who is moving to a new league, in a new (dysfunctional) team with stake far below what he's used to playing for in his 30's and in my opinion you have a recipe for disaster.
Casemiro at Madrid is an elite destoyer and even a decent second phase ball progressor flanked by two midfielders who are genuinely elite at first phase transitions. Casemiro is particularly weak at that area and is regularly hidden until Modric/Kroos have beaten the initial press. We have nobody who does that, it's the entire reason we wanted FdJ. Not having one is going to expose Casemiro in possession in much the same way it exposes Fred now.
Expecting a 30 year old to adapt to this while maintaining his current performance levels (which is the only remotely reasonable justification for the money involved in the deal) is reckless and in my opinion foolish. He's also not the Fernandinho style holding midfielder who ages well, he's the Kante style aggressive destroyer who's going to suffer more and more as his legs go.
This deal is going to be a financial millstone around the clubs neck in much the same way De Gea is right now, a year before we'll finally get rid of the current one. We cannot keep making these colossal financial errors, this move will set us back years.
Then you deal with the issue that this is a player who is moving to a new league, in a new (dysfunctional) team with stake far below what he's used to playing for in his 30's and in my opinion you have a recipe for disaster.
Casemiro at Madrid is an elite destoyer and even a decent second phase ball progressor flanked by two midfielders who are genuinely elite at first phase transitions. Casemiro is particularly weak at that area and is regularly hidden until Modric/Kroos have beaten the initial press. We have nobody who does that, it's the entire reason we wanted FdJ. Not having one is going to expose Casemiro in possession in much the same way it exposes Fred now.
Expecting a 30 year old to adapt to this while maintaining his current performance levels (which is the only remotely reasonable justification for the money involved in the deal) is reckless and in my opinion foolish. He's also not the Fernandinho style holding midfielder who ages well, he's the Kante style aggressive destroyer who's going to suffer more and more as his legs go.
This deal is going to be a financial millstone around the clubs neck in much the same way De Gea is right now, a year before we'll finally get rid of the current one. We cannot keep making these colossal financial errors, this move will set us back years.
I didn't realise we had a bid for Tchouameni turned down. My bad.
I don't think we even made a official bid because the agent, player and club (Monaco) were clear that he had made up his mind even before the window was open. To be honest i read that every big club in Europe showed intresse but all found out early that he was going to Real Madrid for big money and that nothing could change his mind, not even the fact that Mbappe stayed in PSG and they were offering him 30-40% more money then Madrid.
Is Graham Hunter the same tedious blowbag who kept popping up in the Thiago/Fabregas dramas?
Casemiro has been one of these players I've wished could've been a United player for God knows how long. I get it's not ideal given his age and the fee, but there's just real upside there IF you can capitalize within the next few years/windows.
Will the club actually be able to do that? Idk, but this is the type of player who combined on pitch ability, mentality, personality, and fearlessness we need so badly.
The outlay is definitely risky, but with some of the older players we've bought recently, he's the one I feel best about by far. No clue if I'll be right or the club can make it count, but he at least gives me hope.
Will the club actually be able to do that? Idk, but this is the type of player who combined on pitch ability, mentality, personality, and fearlessness we need so badly.
The outlay is definitely risky, but with some of the older players we've bought recently, he's the one I feel best about by far. No clue if I'll be right or the club can make it count, but he at least gives me hope.
The glazers don't care about the financial implications in 2-3 yrs time because they will have sold out by then. As long as it looks good today.
They treat players like they are like NBA/NFL drafts. Not about long term player development from the academy and up. Thats not how they have experienced their club ownership so far. Draft day is a huge thing there -- rarely about player development from a young age.
If they had owned a baseball team, they may see things differently.
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I don't think it's that, they've done it before with Sanchez, Maguire, Varane, De Gea and Ronaldo. Even if they are selling, this is classic Glazer poor judgement.
We got a specialist DM after so many years of neglect. I am stunned that this has finally happened.
If he gets us back into the CL, we will be in a better place to buy replacements who are younger and want to come. Beggars can't be choosers.
If we get 3 years of him playing at his current level or close it is a steal for United. Don't be pussies because we have screwed up before . This is an awesome signing.
It was reported in the Daily telegraph about United wanting to sign two midfielders before the completion of the Casemiro transfer.
I honestly believe it's very important we sign a midfielder who will act as the roaming play-maker both in a deeper role as the #6 and also as the #8 whilst advancing with the play. We don't have a player with that profile and we shouldn't rely on Eriksen to fill that role over the course of the season. I can't reiterate enough how important this player can be for us, especially in possession.
The likes of Caqueret, Vitinha, Bennacer etc were my choices. Vitinha has since gone to PSG and Caqueret might be difficult to prise away from Lyon due to signing a new contract recently. Bennacer might be a possibility but there's question marks about his fitness in recent years so he'd be a bit of a risk, eventhough. I like him as a player.
The club could also look to sign someone like Tielemans for now due to his contract situation and develop one of several young players (Hannibal, Iqbal, Mainoo) to fulfil the role in the next few years. The aforementioned youngsters are of the profile that could be developed in that #6/#8 hybrid role that we're missing right now. I'm not a big fan of Tielemans, but i'd take him for a reasonable price to play in a midfield with Casemiro and Eriksen for now.
Well said and when you are in the crap like us it generally involves paying more for top quality. This signing could definitely attract other potential targets in next couple of windows.
Would rather him than Rice for the same price.
Humpty Dumpty is MAD.
Why would you expect him to play at his current level at an inferior team, in a new league with no midfielders around him like the two he has played his entire Madrid career with?
Even the most optimistic must realise there's going to be a drop off in level, which makes the fee and wages even more absurd.
Yeah we definitely need that roaming playmaker, however like I said in previous post it's far too quiet from usual suspects. I had hoped they would talk up still wanting one in their articles on Casemiro but nothing about it.
It's big money for a 30 yr old. But he's a proven world class player so what do you expect. Hopefully he's here for the right reasons and can give us a quality 2 or 3 years at his peak and a serviceable 2 or 3 more at the tail end.
Well if you are going to think about the high fee, his age and wages every time he pulls on a Utd shirt don't bother watching
According to Mitten, he said that Ancelotti said that Casemiro would make a good manager after he retires. Ancelotti is a man-manager, someone Casemiro has learnt from -- so maybe he has come over to learn from ETH to balance things out?
It will tick one of the boxes if he decides the pursue Carlo's suggestion. Where else but to learn from the best league in the world with a huge diversity in coaching styles and philosophies.
It will tick one of the boxes if he decides the pursue Carlo's suggestion. Where else but to learn from the best league in the world with a huge diversity in coaching styles and philosophies.
Really sounds like Football is everything to him and not into distractions off the pitch, music to my ears without doubt.
If we can get 2-3 years of top level DM performances then we're good.
I'm anxious, but very excited for this. Let's go Casemiro!
I'm anxious, but very excited for this. Let's go Casemiro!
They report salaries net, we report them gross.
Not much difference between them in reality.
Yeah think he will relish playing here
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