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And we are at min, 2 years from being able to challenge for a title. By the time the rest of the squad is ready, he'll be on the downturn. So it makes 0 sense to spend 70 million for a player and in 2-3 years be in a situation where you have to replace him

It makes zero sense to buy a player that can immediately improve our weakest position, but won’t be viable a few years from now? I’m sorry, but I can’t follow your logic… all players get replaced eventually.

”Van Persie has a couple of years left, at best. What can he possibly offer us?”

You wouldn’t pick any player in the world, for our team, if they’re approaching or - god forbid - exceeding 30? Because there’s no future In them? What about doing well this season, and making the club a more attractive proposition for the young players who will become legends tomorrow - who may or may not sign for us, based upon how they perceive us today?
 
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C'mon. We are still doing this. I know 99 % are ecstatic about this signing but I am not. This summer was a chance to truly rebuild the culture and rebuild for the long-term. Spending that much money on a 30 year old. And then continuing the practice of overpaying players is not resetting the culture. UTD is the place you go to earn a retirement check. Let's be real here. Casemiro is coming for the money. Not for the history and not for football.
I don't know his mentality. Maybe he is still motivated and pulls a shift. Or he's another Varane.

We could have taken another path. We could have gone after young experienced players who still have years of good football left and who are looking to prove themselves by winning titles.

I am not accepting the excuse there was no one who fits the bill. The Casemiro, Varane, De Jong are the easy targets because everyone knows about them. There are also young talented players in their mid twenties. But UTD are too slow and too stupid to go after these players. Look at City, Ruben Dias, Kalvin Philios, Luiz Diaz all these players we could have got had we gone in after them early.

We should have sold Rashford, Maguire, Dean, CR7, Shaw. Cleared the wage bill and brought in players in their mid twenties. Had we stuck with Rangnick, maybe we would have done that.

Now I support Casemiro. I think he can still do a job for us in the next 2-3 years. But the squad won't be good enough to challenge for a title in that time frame. And by the time it is, we will need to replace him.
I agree. We couldnt get frenkie, raibot camp wanted too much money. So somehow casemiro is now the choice?!?

Hes not a unique talent like frenkie, completely different player. But he needs someone in front of him to give the ball to when he wins it back. Wheres his kroos/modric? That would be fred/erikson/bruno/donny. We really do need another midfielder in with him but it wont happen will it?

If we had kept on RR as a consultant to DoF would we have gone down this route? No we wouldnt have. We would have been targetting younger players to build a sqaud to challenege in a few years time.

Casemiro is too expensive a deal for his age. Perez doesnt make mistakes in transfer market, if hes willing to let him go.......
 
There's too much emotional investment about money that's not even yours. Let it go, we've just signed Casemiro. :lol:

Exactly! There is also something in being able to recognise that while it might not be a perfect move - i.e. getting the next Casemiro, it's still hugely exciting. We just signed the best DM in the world! We've cleared huge wages off our books between Cavani, Mata, Pogba...so why moan about some of that going to one of the best around, a modern-day Keane who might very well transform our midfield for 3-4 years to come.
 
Don't be so miserable. Why would signing a top-class player be a disaster?
Well as I say, maybe if you simply take a couple of seconds to consider the endless recent examples. At best he'll start off with reasonable performances and then slowly but surely we'll see him sucked down into the midden with all the rest. The club simply ruins everything it touches nowadays and has done for a long time.

However, more likely he's not nearly as good as he once was and Madrid are sensibly selling a player on the decline while taking the buyers for mugs in the process. Ironically therefore he'll fit right in at United. I would say he's committing career suicide with this move since he won't win a single trophy while here nor play in the Champions League. That being said, I'm sure the lovely salary package the club are paying him will relieve any real stress and burden for the man.

Of course the Caf residents as ever won't learn and will as sure as clockwork post thousands more inane drooling emojis the next time we prove ourselves to be the biggest clownshow in world football.
 
There's too much emotional investment about money that's not even yours. Let it go, we've just signed Casemiro. :lol:
Exactly! There is also something in being able to recognise that while it might not be a perfect move - i.e. getting the next Casemiro, it's still hugely exciting. We just signed the best DM in the world! We've cleared huge wages off our books between Cavani, Mata, Pogba...so why moan about some of that going to one of the best around, a modern-day Keane who might very well transform our midfield for 3-4 years to come.
These right here are perfect examples of why we'll not compete at the top for a long time.

Short sightedness.

By the time this season ends, after missing out on European football again, after winning nothing, after many coming to the realisation that Casemiro is rubbish that we'll be stuck with for years because of his dumb wages, it'll be too late.
 
Nobody's fecking moaning. I said I would rather we do business they way Madrid did, they bought him for 6m when he was 21 and sold him for 80m at 30. They have now bought another 21 year old DM. Can't I have an opinion? Then you go and bring up De Bruyne as an age example. Totally erelavent to what I'm saying. How old was De Bruyne when city bought him? 25. That's all I'm saying. I would rather we bought young. There's no moaning and no exaggeration. You're the one who's exagerating by saying I've taken then most negative possible view. Nothing wrong with what I said so just fecking relax already.
Somebody is fecking moaning.
 
We should go for Verratti next PSG have about 10 CMs and a couple DMs
We could offer them a swap, Rashford for Veratti. Casemiro-Veratti combo would be excellent, so if Antony is coming, Rashford may easily be used in a transfer
 
When is Casemiro set to give an interview? Really want to know his motivations.
 
These right here are perfect examples of why we'll not compete at the top for a long time.

Short sightedness.

By the time this season ends, after missing out on European football again, after winning nothing, after many coming to the realisation that Casemiro is rubbish that we'll be stuck with for years because of his dumb wages, it'll be too late.

Now it's come to people saying Casemiro is rubbish, classic Redcafe, never missing an opportunity to WUM and moan.
 
I have to say wow , the negative posts are unbelievable, this guy and Varane are top draw players we got them . ETH nows this prem is physical and got a DM who is, I'm still a bit weary in has he come for a rocking chair period? But as most have said on here no chance of that so I'm of the opinion of people who have watched this guy more than me he's going to give it his all.
Real Madrid and the player have dealt with this transfer with some class as well. Take note Barcelona on how transfers can get done .
 
And we are at min, 2 years from being able to challenge for a title. By the time the rest of the squad is ready, he'll be on the downturn. So it makes 0 sense to spend 70 million for a player and in 2-3 years be in a situation where you have to replace him
Why the feck are you looking at a title challenge?
 


Music to the ears. Hope he has a transformative influence on the team in this regard
 
Wouldn't bother watching him in Utd shirt then if you feel so underwhelmed by this signing

What a stupid comment of course I’m going to watch United.

It’s just this is the kind of signing we’ve all been pointing to as what is wrong with United. Why the team is in such a sorry state and why it will probably never get fixed until someone goes in and starts actually thinking about the future.

Yet here we are again paying big money for a short term fix who is really more of a player with a name and reputation to quieten down the growing voices of discontent from those getting close to waking up and no longer being sheep. However big name put those sheep back to sleep.

I think he’s a good player, I don’t think he’s as good as many make out and although I feel like he’ll probably do all right I don’t see him making some sort of transformative impact on this squad like many seem to be alluding to. I hope he does as apparently he demands a lot and if he can get those lazy feckers to start putting in a shift I’ll be impressed.

I just doubt he is someone ETH really wanted but is he better than what we have yes, he is. But there are better options out there to start building something around as we probably aren’t getting near a trophy for at least 3 years.
 
Balague bbc football

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62603699

Casemiro: What are Manchester United getting in Real Madrid midfielder?

"...If Erik ten Hag is to remain faithful to his high-pressure philosophy, with a high defensive line, then Casemiro's lack of pace will be exposed.

He lacks the ability to control the spaces behind him, primarily because he is quite slow on the turn. This could prove expensive against teams such as Arsenal and Manchester City, who play a lot of inside passes and find pockets of space.

Madrid's compact set-up disguised that weakness in Casemiro's game. With less quality around him in the Brazilian national side, he was less influential. That could be a problem with United when faced with teams that pressure high if he is expected to drive with the ball..."
Ballbag the "expert".No sour grapes there.
 
What a stupid comment of course I’m going to watch United.

It’s just this is the kind of signing we’ve all been pointing to as what is wrong with United. Why the team is in such a sorry state and why it will probably never get fixed until someone goes in and starts actually thinking about the future.

Yet here we are again paying big money for a short term fix who is really more of a player with a name and reputation to quieten down the growing voices of discontent from those getting close to waking up and no longer being sheep. However big name put those sheep back to sleep.

I think he’s a good player, I don’t think he’s as good as many make out and although I feel like he’ll probably do all right I don’t see him making some sort of transformative impact on this squad like many seem to be alluding to.

I doubt as well he’s the kind of player that ETH really wanted but is he better than what we have yes, he is. But there are better options out there to start building something around as we probably aren’t getting near a trophy for at least 3 years.

We won't be able to build at all without a top 4 finish. Who are these better options? I feel like a lot of people are seriously underestimating how utterly shite the mentality and leadership in our squad is. You can't fix that with 20 year olds - at least not without shipping out the grumpy old men.
 
Signed great player and still people complain, damned if do, damned if you dont :lol::lol::lol:
I think it is mainly frustration that we cant go for younger, long term talents and it seemed like another stop gap solution like we had too many. He might be a great signing but I understand the frustration
 
Nobody's fecking moaning. I said I would rather we do business they way Madrid did, they bought him for 6m when he was 21 and sold him for 80m at 30. They have now bought another 21 year old DM. Can't I have an opinion? Then you go and bring up De Bruyne as an age example. Totally erelavent to what I'm saying. How old was De Bruyne when city bought him? 25. That's all I'm saying. I would rather we bought young. There's no moaning and no exaggeration. You're the one who's exagerating by saying I've taken then most negative possible view. Nothing wrong with what I said so just fecking relax already.

I’m sure most people on this forum wishes we could do business like RM, but we aren’t, so I’m personally just happy we’ve actually signed someone that will add value to the team.
 
Surely surely if we can get more winners and hard workers in this squad we can see a cultural change. Surely our bunch of wasters will get out numbered? I just hope he can have huge impact on and off the pitch.
 
Now it's come to people saying Casemiro is rubbish, classic Redcafe, never missing an opportunity to WUM and moan.

People are honestly baffling. We sign our biggest position of need with arguably the best player in the world at that position and people still end up bitching about it :lol:
 


Music to the ears. Hope he has a transformative influence on the team in this regard

"Warning to your new colleagues" sounds so apt :lol: . Only trouble is that the gym is also probably like a Turkish bath for the likes of Shaw, Rashy and the rest.
 
Some of the RAWK responses are really funny.

Utter utter madness.

I must say, he’s a good player, and he will replace utter shite in the team. But it’s so odd. Why don’t they go out and get a 22/23 year old top prospect who will be with them for years???
So, at 31 Henderson signed a new four year contract
At 30 Salah signed a three year deal

Why did they sign them on new contracts and not go out and get a 22/23 year old top prospect who will be with them for years???

Every player they buy is suddenly elevated to 'best in the world' status.
They are as mad as a box of frogs.

Not seen that on CAF.

Perhaps the label is incorrectly attributed.

He's had a great career, hope he stinks the joint out

The bitterness is strong

Great player nevertheless but he wasn’t on the radar until both De Jong and Rabiot didn’t work out.

We're using Radar now?

This has all the makings of a classic Man United transfer where they will be stuck with an old, worthless and impossible to sell player on obscene wages on a long contract.

Irony: didnt they renew James Milner (36), VVD (30)
 
If we managed to sign Lewandowski in this window, would the logic still be the same? Too old, last paycheck, short-sighted signing blah blah blah?
Get a grip people, there is way too much negativity in this forum.
 
He is quite slow though.
I think Ballbags assessment is quite fair. The fact is we still need a hardworking CM who can play alongside him but also have the ability to carry the ball that is why people are still clamouring for De Jong because we don't have that type of player in our squad apart from Iqbal who is far too young raw at this point.
 
What a stupid comment of course I’m going to watch United.

It’s just this is the kind of signing we’ve all been pointing to as what is wrong with United. Why the team is in such a sorry state and why it will probably never get fixed until someone goes in and starts actually thinking about the future.

Yet here we are again paying big money for a short term fix who is really more of a player with a name and reputation to quieten down the growing voices of discontent from those getting close to waking up and no longer being sheep. However big name put those sheep back to sleep.

I think he’s a good player, I don’t think he’s as good as many make out and although I feel like he’ll probably do all right I don’t see him making some sort of transformative impact on this squad like many seem to be alluding to. I hope he does as apparently he demands a lot and if he can get those lazy feckers to start putting in a shift I’ll be impressed.

I just doubt he is someone ETH really wanted but is he better than what we have yes, he is. But there are better options out there to start building something around as we probably aren’t getting near a trophy for at least 3 years.

Where to start with this. Not really sure I have the energy but anyway;

1) He is the best DM in the world bar non. A classic destroyer type and something we have all been crying out for since Keane. He’s 2022 Ballon d’Orr nominee and just won player of the match in the super cup win a week or so ago. He’s literally in his peak and there’s no better option in the world right now in terms of his position and profile.

2) The squad has a weak core and soft, fragile mentality. You can’t fill such a team with unproven young players from inside or outside the club. You can add such players to a stronger core but every good team needs balance. This isn’t football manager.

3) Casemiro is on a 4 year (plus 1 club option) deal. He’s 30. Compared to other top DMs he can easily play at the high level he currently is for the duration of this contract. It’s a position and role which actually requires experience and tactical knowledge hence players who perform the role getting better with age. Fernandinho, Busquets, Xabi Alonso, Marcos Senna, Gilberto Silva. Even Carrick at United although he was more a reader of the game rather than big tackler.

4) He has a phenomenal injury record and never misses a game, he’s a natural leader, demands the highest levels from the team and bleeds for the cause. A consummate professional and a player highly regarded by his colleagues and coaches. He’s the exact profile of player this team needs right now given it lacks leadership, especially in the centre of the park. It has done for years.

If you watch United I’m staggered you don’t see him making a transformational impact to be honest.

I can only assume you haven’t seen much of Casemiro outside of the odd CL game, which is understandable, and you know little about the player we are getting other than his age and the fee being paid.

As pointed out by @Adnan the clubs new recruitment set up is just being put in place and to fully bare the fruits we need to give it time. This summer was always going to be a little off the cuff, much like Chelsea’s window, but we can’t just sit on our hands and do nothing, as evidenced in the Brentford game last week.

The club needs a pathway back up the CL. It needs that to be able to match others in competing for the players we need to pick up for long term success. It’s a massive coup to pick up Casemiro when you consider his profile and he can help us this season, and beyond, to try and establish ourselves again which in turns opens up doors in terms of recruitment in the future.

We would all love to be signing Haaland, Tchoumeni, Camavinga, Kimmich but we can’t at the moment.

The recruitment set up inside the club is in its infancy after years of mistakes in terms of personnel and structure so asking them to identify the next up and coming sensation this summer that can also come in and make an immediate impact and help us find a way back to the CL, top four or by way of Europa League, is impossible.

Like it or not we need the right players at the right time and Casemiro is very much ticking all those boxes in my opinion regardless of what you think about the money and age involved.
 
Well if you are going to think about the high fee, his age and wages every time he pulls on a Utd shirt don't bother watching
This is a nonsense response. The long term health of the club and factors that are going to directly impact the performance of the team are important.
 
Shouldnt we… you know… let him play some football before making judgements like this?
You'd hope that our recruitment would have made judgements like this before even signing him, which is the problem as they clearly haven't. It's not like we lack data on Casemiro, we've seen him play for Madrid and Brazil for a decade where his strengths and weaknesses have been visible to all.
 
I think Ballbags assessment is quite fair. The fact is we still need a hardworking CM who can play alongside him but also have the ability to carry the ball that is why people are still clamouring for De Jong because we don't have that type of player in our squad apart from Iqbal who is far too young raw at this point.

Yes we need a CM. Currently the closest we have to a CM is Garner, who is also capable of playing DM. Iqbal is good with holding up play, but he is not very good with his defensive duties and decision making at times. I actually think Savage would be a good option. The formation has to change, otherwise we will need to go with makeshift CMs such as Fred and DVB while Casemiro plays DM.
 
I think Ballbags assessment is quite fair. The fact is we still need a hardworking CM who can play alongside him but also have the ability to carry the ball that is why people are still clamouring for De Jong because we don't have that type of player in our squad apart from Iqbal who is far too young raw at this point.
Neither Kroos or Modric are all that hardworking?
 
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