Casemiro | United Player

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croadyman said:
Really sounds like Football is everything to him and not into distractions off the pitch, music to my ears without doubt.
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We get 3 good years out of him -- then save him legs like one in three matches after that. He can play the Mata role by then. We keep him in the club as a coach after.

Maybe this might be one of the reasons why the deal was done so quickly. He will have a leadership position as a player and then later ease him into coaching/management.

Can you imagine him as the player-coach in the U-23s? Scare the bejesus out of the opposing kids.
 
sglowrider said:
We get 3 good years out of him -- then save him legs like one in three matches after that. He can play the Mata role by then. We keep him in the club as a coach after.

Maybe this might be one of the reasons why the deal was done so quickly. He will have a leadership position as a player and then later ease him into coaching/management.

Can you imagine him as the player-coach in the U-23s? Scare the bejesus out of the opposing kids.
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Could see him getting captaincy after a season
 
Stinks of what we always do, panic buy, signing a player @ 30 who is coming here for a payday.

Saying all this hes still the best of this type we have brought, strong mentality.
 
Devil1 said:
I’m the same- not really overly excited. We are like the MLS- Players that are just over their peak coming for a final payday.

Bring back the days of signing younger players on the rise.
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alexthelion said:
FFS :rolleyes:
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Funny thing is that when Ole was the manager, we had the youngest squad in the league. And people were bitching about that too. :rolleyes:
 
Short of Kante we bought the best CDM (Rodri better fit for ETH's system but not right now).

Wages are fair at £293k/week. Equal to Kante & little higher than Rodri (makes sense given Rodri's stature at contract time/inflation). Only negative is 4 yrs length vs. 3, but we're lucky he's even coming.

Him & Fred have great synergy for Brazilian NT & paired with Varane/Martinez's range it would allow our FBs to consistently push higher up to create the overloads we need.
 
I suggest to the people skeptical of his deal to go on r/realmadrid and have a look at what posters are saying about Casemiro. They are afraid of what is going to happen to their midfield without him. We are not getting some over the hill legend. The guy is in his prime and still had 3 years to run on his deal at Real for good reason.
 
Dion said:
There's no getting away from the fact that the financials in this deal are absolutely mental.

Then you deal with the issue that this is a player who is moving to a new league, in a new (dysfunctional) team with stake far below what he's used to playing for in his 30's and in my opinion you have a recipe for disaster.

Casemiro at Madrid is an elite destoyer and even a decent second phase ball progressor flanked by two midfielders who are genuinely elite at first phase transitions. Casemiro is particularly weak at that area and is regularly hidden until Modric/Kroos have beaten the initial press. We have nobody who does that, it's the entire reason we wanted FdJ. Not having one is going to expose Casemiro in possession in much the same way it exposes Fred now.

Expecting a 30 year old to adapt to this while maintaining his current performance levels (which is the only remotely reasonable justification for the money involved in the deal) is reckless and in my opinion foolish. He's also not the Fernandinho style holding midfielder who ages well, he's the Kante style aggressive destroyer who's going to suffer more and more as his legs go.

This deal is going to be a financial millstone around the clubs neck in much the same way De Gea is right now, a year before we'll finally get rid of the current one. We cannot keep making these colossal financial errors, this move will set us back years.
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Shouldnt we… you know… let him play some football before making judgements like this?
 
Footyislife said:
Short of Kante we bought the best CDM (Rodri better fit for ETH's system but not right now).

Wages are fair at £293k/week. Equal to Kante & little higher than Rodri (makes sense given Rodri's stature at contract time/inflation). Only negative is 4 yrs length vs. 3, but we're lucky he's even coming.

Him & Fred have great synergy for Brazilian NT & paired with Varane/Martinez's range it would allow our FBs to consistently push higher up to create the overloads we need.
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Kante? Come on now, I enjoy peak Kante but Casemiro is a class above. The guy has dominated Europe for almost a decade now.
 
Hoping this AMAZING singing gives more freedom to other players and stops the restrictions on others in recent games. He’s 100% starting every game. No doubt.
 
little.triangles said:
I suggest to the people skeptical of his deal to go on r/realmadrid and have a look at what posters are saying about Casemiro. They are afraid of what is going to happen to their midfield without him. We are not getting some over the hill legend. The guy is in his prime and still had 3 years to run on his deal at Real for good reason.
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Most Madrid fans aren't happy to see him leave at all even with the money that they just got, they know they're going to miss him dearly this season.

He was an integral part of their set up and its a tall ask asking a 22 year old from France to step in and fill in his shoes immediately.

Sporting wise I haven't seen a single Madridista happy to see the back of him, he's very much a big asset still in his prime.
 
Earlier, Simon Stone, Adam Crafton & other reliable journos said it will be €60M + €10M = €70M (~£60M), which I thought was steep.

However, once the deal was announced, more info came out and it is reported to be £60M + £10M = £70M, that is really huge fee, despite that it's a the best DM we are getting, but I am very hopeful that Casemiro will perform well for us this season, we need him badly.
 
croadyman said:
Could see him getting captaincy after a season
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Not even a season. You look at who the candidates are... At the moment he is the only automatic starter in our team. And he's the only one who is captain worthy personality wise, never gives up, has the reputation to command respect. Should be half a year at most.
 
shamans said:
Kante? Come on now, I enjoy peak Kante but Casemiro is a class above. The guy has dominated Europe for almost a decade now.
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They are different types of players. Casemiro is a DM and is far better in that role than Kante is, while Kante is a box-to-box destroyer and has clearly been the best in the world in that position for most of the last decade. We have far more need of a DM so Casemiro should be much better for us than Kante would be.
 
OmarUnited4ever said:
Earlier, Simon Stone, Adam Crafton & other reliable journos said it will be €60M + €10M = €70M (~£60M), which I thought was steep.

However, once the deal was announced, more info came out and it is reported to be £60M + £10M = £70M, that is really huge fee, despite that it's a the best DM we are getting, but I am very hopeful that Casemiro will perform well for us this season, we need him badly.
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Classic anti-United propaganda. Let's fudge currency & add-ons to make us look inept. ESPN claimed "sources" & AS follows. Who are these "sources"?

Curiously, ESPN reported Halaand transfer as £51m without any of the inflated fees (Sky reported £85M total). Also, curiously ESPN never includes add-ons for City transfers. I wonder why they do so for United ones?

Reliable sources & Sky reported €60M plus €10M. I would believe that is what we paid.
 
SWE-Chucky said:
Well the biggest problem is that we tried to get the same DM that Madrid bought but he only wanted Real Madrid, not even the double money that PSG was offering was enough. We are in a shitty position and we cant pick and choose right now, we should be more then happy that our money (probably) was enough to convince him to join us when he still has 3-4 more years to give because the risk that we would play McFred was huge. But i agree, it would have been better if he was 10 years younger, but right now there is still a lot that could be a lot better, starting with the owners...
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And its not like we have been banned from ever signing another DM until the fabbled 10 years are up. The smart decision would be to sell Garner for around £20m, with a buyback clause of course and see what he can do whilst Casemiro gives us maybe 3 good seasons plus one decent one. By that time maybe Garner has shown enough or our scouting has improved enough to identify younger talents.

He wouldn't have been my ideal signing at the start of the window but he will prove a key one, he will buy us time to get our act together. Plus in Sancho, Martinez, Malacia etc we have players around the right age who will grow with time. What I like about a strong DM like him is that we can play Eriksen in there safely and we can have the luxury of even trying young Zidane there or even Garner himself as DLP. We now have the safe pair of hands to really experiment and hopefully unearth a solution from within.
 
UnofficialDevil said:
Yeah, 80m for a 31 year old doesn't sound like great business, to be honest. God knows what wages he will be on, too. But that's what you get without proper planning and last minute signings.
Madrid bought him for 6m when he was 21 sold him for 80m at 31, that's the type of singing we should be making, but that needs a world-class scouting setup I guess.
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RM took a risk on a 21 year old. They probably mitigated that risk with a first class scouting team. But it was still a risk - one that’s paid out in abundance for them.

That has nothing to do with the value that Casemiro can add to our team now. We just bought one of the best players in the world to plug an immediate gap. Arguably our biggest gap. There is little risk, hence the premium that has to be paid. Right now, we don’t have the luxury of buying only for the future. We need players who can perform in the here and now. Without them, we’ll fall so far behind that the players of the future won’t want to join us.

Do we save £80m for de Jong who may or may not eventually join us? And in the meantime, while not actually here, adds nothing to the team? Do we keep that money in our pockets, while racking up more losses, hoping he‘ll eventually come and rescue us? Or do we spend it on a world class midfielder who has the potential to make a practical difference immediately?

Building for the future is important, but so is turning things around now. These very different scenarios are not mutually exclusive… if we want to keep up with the teams that have it all, then we have to do both.
 
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Footyislife said:
Classic anti-United propaganda. Let's fudge currency & add-ons to make us look inept. ESPN claimed "sources" & AS follows. Who are these "sources"?

Curiously, ESPN reported Halaand transfer as £51m without any of the inflated fees (Sky reported £85M total). Also, curiously ESPN never includes add-ons for City transfers. I wonder why they do so for United ones?

Reliable sources & Sky reported €60M plus €10M. I would believe that is what we paid.
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BBC & The Athletic reported £60M + £10M = £70M after United announced the signing. Sky also reported the same initial fee of £59.5M.

Usually they mention full fees (initial + add-ons) in their headlines when it comes to United, but they don't do that for City or Liverpool
 
Better signing than FDJ IMHO. At least from our perspective. We desperately need a proper DM to give the entire play a bit more structure
 
zenith said:
Better signing than FDJ IMHO. At least from our perspective. We desperately need a proper DM to give the entire play a bit more structure
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Yep. That’s what matters most for the team right now. We have a.DM at last, and not just any DM, a fecking world class one!
 
zenith said:
Better signing than FDJ IMHO. At least from our perspective. We desperately need a proper DM to give the entire play a bit more structure
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Agreed. Shame we’re buying players at that end of their careers but we are where we are.
 
fps said:
Agreed. Shame we’re buying players at that end of their careers but we are where we are.
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Casemiro is 30 years old. Not 35 or 37 and not 40. He still has both legs and most of his own teeth. He’s not at the end of his career yet. Admittedly, he has no resale value, but if that’s how you value players then I won’t win this argument…
 
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C'mon. We are still doing this. I know 99 % are ecstatic about this signing but I am not. This summer was a chance to truly rebuild the culture and rebuild for the long-term. Spending that much money on a 30 year old. And then continuing the practice of overpaying players is not resetting the culture. UTD is the place you go to earn a retirement check. Let's be real here. Casemiro is coming for the money. Not for the history and not for football.
I don't know his mentality. Maybe he is still motivated and pulls a shift. Or he's another Varane.

We could have taken another path. We could have gone after young experienced players who still have years of good football left and who are looking to prove themselves by winning titles.

I am not accepting the excuse there was no one who fits the bill. The Casemiro, Varane, De Jong are the easy targets because everyone knows about them. There are also young talented players in their mid twenties. But UTD are too slow and too stupid to go after these players. Look at City, Ruben Dias, Kalvin Philios, Luiz Diaz all these players we could have got had we gone in after them early.

We should have sold Rashford, Maguire, Dean, CR7, Shaw. Cleared the wage bill and brought in players in their mid twenties. Had we stuck with Rangnick, maybe we would have done that.

Now I support Casemiro. I think he can still do a job for us in the next 2-3 years. But the squad won't be good enough to challenge for a title in that time frame. And by the time it is, we will need to replace him.
 
sphagnum said:
Casemiro is 30 years old. Not 35 or 37 and not 40. He still has both legs and most of his own teeth. He’s not at the end of his career yet.
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“At that end” ie closer to the end than the beginning.
 
fps said:
“At that end” ie closer to the end than the beginning.
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And we are at min, 2 years from being able to challenge for a title. By the time the rest of the squad is ready, he'll be on the downturn. So it makes 0 sense to spend 70 million for a player and in 2-3 years be in a situation where you have to replace him
 
fps said:
“At that end” ie closer to the end than the beginning.
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I do understand, and I’m not meaning to pick on you. But a good player is a good player, regardless of whether we get 2, 5 or 10 years from them. I’d prefer a 21 year old Casemiro too. Doesn’t mean I wouldn’t want him in the team at 30.

I appreciate that you didn’t suggest that. I’m just venting. :)
 
I don't get this obsession about the age. Signing 35-36 year olds like we did with Ronaldo is a problem, but 30?
 
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