Amorim is the man. Doesn’t feck around and says it like it is.
Casemiro (out)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to celebrate rare back-to-back victories for Manchester United! They analyse the late win in the Europa League vs. Rangers and then try and find things to analyse in a pretty dour game vs. Fulham. They also chat about the latest Marcus Rashford news, and look at the latest transfer news.
I think you got this part right for sure. But there is no way we will find a buyer for Shaw.
The Athletic reported when we signed Cas that he will get a slight raise if the club qualifies for CL, the below is the part about Cas wages in the article.
I also remember reading that he was one of the top earners at Real when he signed a new contract a year before joining us, the contract was till 2025, and since Madrid got Tchouameni in 2022, they were, from a financial point of view, happy to allow Cas to go as they stood to gain savings of 3 years worth of wages.
Who knows. We're not the only stupid club.
His wife will share a insta story soon with his trophy cabinet
This is so much of hindsight bias. During the first season, most fans were drooling over his performances and if it wasn't for Rodri, he had a good case to be in the PL team of the year. Of course, his performances dropped last year and this year, he's been terrible but that is more in line with everyone in the team overall.
Wonder if Ogden, Winter and Burt will leap to Casemiro's defence after that statement?
It's absolutely not. There were a lot of posters on here at the time who said it was a bad idea, let alone in the wider world.
For example, my first response to us being linked to Casemiro was:
And I was far from the only person making that argument.
But like always, once the club makes an obviously stupid decision people try to convince themeselves that it will be okay, me included. Unfortunately doesn't change how stupid the initial decision is though.
And in the case of Casemiro, it was one of the most ill-conceived transfers in the history of the club. Others have had worse impact, but few were such obvious on-paper bad ideas.
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Not true. A lot of people pointed out the risks involved, and as usual they were shouted down by the transfer muppets.
If he's still at the club after the window closes, he'll play again. Until then, this is standard practice with players you want to move where their salary/willingness to leave is the main stumbling block
idk, i from the beginning wasnt as high as some, and felt like there was a contingency that got shouted down any time they didnt bow to casemiro. From what i recall, he started bad, then hit a run of form, then finished bad again (as did everyone that season i believe). Thought the crescendo was the cup win, then pretty much back to shit form. From pretty early on it seemed like the pace was overall too much for him, and prob resulted in the numerous cards i thought he was getting/lunging in so much to tackles. Hard to remember though thru all the slog we've had lately.
idk i hope that if case, and rashford as well, are being unrealistic with themselves/moving on then they shouldnt be playing if they dont fit amorins system/plan. They want the paycheck, they can sit and watch the limited playing career that they have get wasted up.
Also Casemiro and Rashford have played loads of matches in the last two seasons…with them both playing big roles in the side United have finished 8th and 10th around the time of EtH sacking.
Amorim has nothing to gain by including them in the side.
Amorim has nothing to gain by including them in the side.
Limited options means Case will likely still get the odd 10 minutes here, 20 there. Not much, but he'll play a bit
Also his pedigree and good influence in the dressing room matter here
I hope you're right. I worry you're wrong.
I'm not sure were seeing the same version of casemiro you guys did. He's been here 2 and a half years, its enough to time for good habits to fall away.
id say more likely that casemiro gets time than rashford for sure. At this point collyer has taken his minutes, and rightfully so. Barring injury id def want to see the minutes continued to be ugarte/mainoo/collyer trio. Obviously id like for another quality CM to be brought in, but at this point it is what it is.
Nothing hindsight about it. It was very clearly a poor move beforehand. Team shouldn't be targeting 30 year olds in the first place, let alone dropping £150M in wages and fees for the privilege. It was a disastrous process that led to a predictably horrible result.
The fact many fans praised it only shows how short-sighted most are, and why no one should ever let fans be in charge. You can bet we'd be right back in the hunt for more old, expensive, overpriced buys.
he will be best served going to Saudi Arabia for one last big payday
Agreed, it was a dumb deal that was always going to be a problem, as Souness rightly called out at the time we would need to replace him within a year or so. He'd played a lot of football and was never the quickest, there was a reason RM were happy to see him go. A 2 year deal with a limited fee given his age would have been a good move. But the fee and wages always made it plain stupid. One of many bad signings but and not the worst just as we have the likes of Antony, Mount etc that eclipse it
Course they won't he's not English
At least he is still a young 32 year old boy.
He was only good for half of the season.
Should never have been signed for that much.
Sad thing is we had/have people just as clueless running the club.
Many of us were saying it was a terrible deal in his transfer thread (I've just been reading it) but were shot down by posters saying "who cares, it's not your money" and "pay whatever it takes its Casemiro!".
So frustrating that where we're at now financially was so easy to see coming.
It's a predictable process that plays out over and over here.
1. Club makes last-minute panic moves in the transfer market
2. Small group of skeptics express concern about the player in question
3. Caf hivemind shoots down all criticism with the usual cliches: "trust the plan", "it's not my money", "pretty sure the club knows more than you about xyz", "stop moaning"
4. Within a year the skeptics' concerns pan out and the transfer is generally regarded as a flop
5. Any retrospective is dismissed as "hindsight bias"
Would love to see Ederson come in to our MF in the summer
And a highlights reel of Cas from his cup final games.
At least he's not tweeting 'Congrats boys' from the stands.
Please Saudi please
Makelele was 30 when Chelsea purchased him and he did very well for another 5 years. Casemiro was supposed to be our Makelele. 30 isn't definitely an age where top footballers lose their legs in the modern era. Even I had reservations at that time about the crazy price we paid but the first year changed my opinion. Overall, it's not Casemiro or Rashford or Garnacho or Hojlund or Zirkzee. There are so many things that were (are) wrong at the club that making players scapegoats is the easy argument. We are dysfunctional as a group. Hopefully we're setting that right under the new ownership.
Nagelsmann was a head coach for Hoffeinheim even before hitting 30. It probably happened every week back than.
It was beyond stupid to do the deal at anything near the money we paid. A cheap transfer to fill a role? Fine. But the actual deal was laughably awful.
Look at research on player age curves. There's tons out there. Most players peak at 25-26, and are declining swiftly by 30. Do some defy age curves for awhile longer? Yes, of course. But it's foolish to bet on this. Most players will be around the averages. No smart team would ever make a move like this on such big money.
For context, Casemiro is costing us at least 2x what Rashford does. ~350k a week in wages plus another ~15M a year in amortized transfer fee. And he can't even get in games as a sub ahead of Collyer. I think it's the worst transfer in our history (yes, worse than Antony, considerably), and that's saying something.
This.
The previous senior management team were really something. It says a lot that we've got two players in contention for the worst transfers ever still at the club at this point in time thanks to them (obviously one is on loan at present, but still).
I wonder what those morons were thinking. It wouldn't surprise me if it came out that they were boyhood fans of rival clubs and saw managing us as an opportunity to destroy us from within and get paid handsomely for it.
We will probably have to supplement at least £200k of his wages for him to go to Roma or equivalent - financially this is a disaster of a transfer that I can’t see us recouping anything on being stuck with for some time.
Unfortunately there are no Saudi noises so that horse may have bolted.
Unfortunately there are no Saudi noises so that horse may have bolted.
happy to stay put and collect $
Not his fault whatsoever. Stupid deal in hindsight but he conduct himself properly. I hope that MLS clubs try again as it might be more appealing for him personaly than SA.
Keane and Neville both saw it coming - https://m.allfootballapp.com/amp/ne...Manchester-United-after-Casemiro-deal/2890171
I like him as a player and a person but every time I think about him it just makes me remember how much needs to be done to our squad.
Or he's willing to accept that he's not good enough to start but can still offer something to the team when required maybe??
Why is everyone on here so damn cynical and willing to pour scorn on every player all the time?
Because he´s 32 not 38, he should still have ambitions to be a starter - this just reeks of wanting to get paid for doing nothing.
How is leaving Man Utd for say a mid table Italian team or the Saudi league ambitious? Maybe someone who's always played for one of the biggest clubs in the country would much rather stay and try to contribute there rather than devolve into obscurity.
People want loyalty from players when they are good, but the moment they drop a level they want those players to vanish. It's not his fault we signed him for that money. He's doing nothing wrong and by all accounts a good influence to have around the place, one of the only genuine winners in the squad. Don't understand the criticism.
He doesn't though, he's probably a 4th - 5th choice sub. His wages + ability literally hold us back. Not his fault and he's a professional but source of frustration nevertheless.