Will be in Saudi this time next year sadly. Looks totally out of his depth physically this season. But he's not alone in that regard.
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Was my only worry, the physical decline. Otherwise he's always been class.
I think it's the same reason Real were reluctant to sign Kane. Yeah you do get players that last until 35, but then there are plenty like Hazard that decline at 30. You never know.
Plus with Case there's a lot of mileage in those legs in a physically demanding position.
I think it's the same reason Real were reluctant to sign Kane. Yeah you do get players that last until 35, but then there are plenty like Hazard that decline at 30. You never know.
Plus with Case there's a lot of mileage in those legs in a physically demanding position.
He looks so poor, also from a mentality point of view. I hope Amrabat is up for it
Father Time got him
I agree with those suggesting he has a difficult task in a midfield system that leaves him exposed, but he doesn't help himself by being almost as chubby as I am.
The 70 million euros spent on casimero was a waste of money. After this year he's done for a starting place and almost none transfer value left. Prayers that some Saudi club is interested in him
Or by constantly throwing himself into tackles that he’s never going to win, or constantly passing the ball to the opposition, or constantly being dribbled past, or constantly failing to track runners
He’s become a complete liability.
Dude's already looking he's done at the top level and he only gave us one season. What a way to spend 60m.
He isn't going to magically get any faster now but man he seems like he's past it. Constantly throwing himself to the ground. It is okay if you win the ball but if you don't, you expose the defence as you are generally the last man in midfield. I thought he would use a bit more sense being such an experienced player.
He isn't going to magically get any faster now but man he seems like he's past it. Constantly throwing himself to the ground. It is okay if you win the ball but if you don't, you expose the defence as you are generally the last man in midfield. I thought he would use a bit more sense being such an experienced player.
He's finished and I don't understand why Ten Hag went from De Jong to Casemiro.
He can't be the deepest midfielder during build-up phases.
Amrabrat will displace him soon.
He can't be the deepest midfielder during build-up phases.
Amrabrat will displace him soon.
Think he would do well playing where McTominay played today with Amrabat as the 6
I hope he isn't. I don't think he's an ETH signing though. I think that's agents getting in touch with Murtough and co. and them going for him having wasted all summer chasing FDJ and having no plan besides asking the manager or being opportunistic during the transfer window. Probably the same situation with Eriksen. They were both given huge contracts deep into their 30s.
Weren't their reports that the committee(with ETH's approval) pivoted to Casemiro?
Honestly don't think he should be in our first XI and he's been one of our biggest problems all season.
He's incapable of turning away from pressure. His passing is far too erratic for a deeper midfielder. And hi
And he's constantly lunging in leaving gaps behind him. He's also declined physically. He's not adding anything to the team right now.
This is the problem with United we tried to buy De Jong (ETH boy) and when we couldn't land him we went for Casemiro who Madrid were happy to sell to us just like Chelsea were happy to sell Matic to us and Bayern Schweinsteiger. We never learn!
Just look at Arsenal and how Arteta brought the average age of their team down by getting rid of the likes of Ozil and Aubameyang. How can you build a team for the future with players who have their best years behind them, isn't it funny. Yet we started our rebuild under ETH with two older midfielders (Casemiro and Eriksen). We could have landed Enzo and a younger DM for the price of Casemiro and we'll have a more dynamic midfield. We went for the shortcuts of 'proven players'. SAF always bought them young and moulded them. I hope players like Hannibal and Mainoo will prove to be good enough because its obvious this older lads are struggling to keep up with the game.
PS. I love Casemiro.
Just look at Arsenal and how Arteta brought the average age of their team down by getting rid of the likes of Ozil and Aubameyang. How can you build a team for the future with players who have their best years behind them, isn't it funny. Yet we started our rebuild under ETH with two older midfielders (Casemiro and Eriksen). We could have landed Enzo and a younger DM for the price of Casemiro and we'll have a more dynamic midfield. We went for the shortcuts of 'proven players'. SAF always bought them young and moulded them. I hope players like Hannibal and Mainoo will prove to be good enough because its obvious this older lads are struggling to keep up with the game.
PS. I love Casemiro.
Past it.
It will be interesting to see if he improves or declines as the season goes on as he is a winner and may relish the challenge of Father time.
He's on 300k a week through 2027, absolute joke of a contract. Got to hope the Saudi's fancy him.
Not surprised at all by his decline. Predicted it before we signed him.
The way ETH wants to play, he will need an Edgar Davids, Gattuso or Kante type next to Casemiro. Till then this position will be wrecking careers in this flawed setup.
Maybe in UCL it’ll work but in the PL our manager needs to come up with a system that doesn’t leave players in defensive areas high and dry. When you defensive midfielder starts getting dragged out to go defend in front of your full backs, you the manager is getting it wrong or your system is exposed. The principles of football remain the same.
Not saying Casemiro is in the form of his life but the issues being called out are created by our flawed tactics. No player can cover the amount of space we want him to without a defensive support in midfield to give him time for recoveries. Defending is not an individual game.
If I have any criticism of Casemiro, it’s his lack of maturity on the ball. For a player with his experience not dictating the pace of a game is criminal. Gross can’t be that much better on the ball for that much gap we saw in their on the ball composure.
Maybe in UCL it’ll work but in the PL our manager needs to come up with a system that doesn’t leave players in defensive areas high and dry. When you defensive midfielder starts getting dragged out to go defend in front of your full backs, you the manager is getting it wrong or your system is exposed. The principles of football remain the same.
Not saying Casemiro is in the form of his life but the issues being called out are created by our flawed tactics. No player can cover the amount of space we want him to without a defensive support in midfield to give him time for recoveries. Defending is not an individual game.
If I have any criticism of Casemiro, it’s his lack of maturity on the ball. For a player with his experience not dictating the pace of a game is criminal. Gross can’t be that much better on the ball for that much gap we saw in their on the ball composure.
I mean at this point his fitness and mobility is just a joke. I don’t get how someone who was so solid and looked ok fitness wise last season can look like an absolute grandfather this season
People honestly thought Real Madrid would let Casemiro go for 70 million or whatever it was if they didn't think he was on the down, cannot believe we basically financed their move for younger better midfielders that can serve their club for years to come where as Casemiro will be in Saudi next year most likely. We practically financed their move for Bellingham with this ffs
That late into the transfer window, ETH would approve anything that's remotely better than Scott and Fred or he's out of a job by December.
Madrid played a blinder on us here. Bin him off for 70m and rebuilt their midfield with youthful talents camavinga, tchoumeni and now bellingham. Well played.
I defended him a lot this season, as Ten Hag's tactics made it difficult for Casemiro, but he looks done now. He's physically miles behind the required level to play in midfield. One thing is being slow, but he actually moves like old Carrick now.
He played the entire match for Brazil on Wednesday, in Peru.
Having watched Mac Allister struggling with his fitness after 10 minutes during Liverpool's match, and being hauled off at half time for a rest, I was shocked by how much fitter and more mobile Case looked than him.
Especially that Argentina had played a day earlier, and Mac Allister was subbed there after 80 mins or so.
Having watched Mac Allister struggling with his fitness after 10 minutes during Liverpool's match, and being hauled off at half time for a rest, I was shocked by how much fitter and more mobile Case looked than him.
Especially that Argentina had played a day earlier, and Mac Allister was subbed there after 80 mins or so.
Harsh on Carrick imo!
I wonder if Amrabat was signed to replace Casemiro rather than to play alongside him. If not, can see it going that way, alongside Mainoo perhaps.
I was shocked yesterday when i watched him lead the press at one point. Our DM, supposed to be shielding our backline pressing higher than our forwards. I don't understand why Ten Hag lets him get up and down the pitch so freely, because whenever our press gets bypassed he doesn't have the recovery pace to get back. In my opinion when Amrabat gets into the team he'll be the one sitting deeper than Casemiro.
He already plays like a CM recently, complete opposite of last season where Casemiro would usually stay back unless we won a corner or a dangerous setpiece. Right now it feels like he's being asked to cover too much ground, his reading of the game also seems to have declined. He's never where you would expect him to be, where the danger is, snuffing it out almost instantly. We beat City at Old Trafford last season because he was so good in that game, always available to assist Varane/Shaw to deal with Haaland. If we played against City with him in current form it'd be another 6 goal fest. I'll be watching him in the Bayern game very intently.
He already plays like a CM recently, complete opposite of last season where Casemiro would usually stay back unless we won a corner or a dangerous setpiece. Right now it feels like he's being asked to cover too much ground, his reading of the game also seems to have declined. He's never where you would expect him to be, where the danger is, snuffing it out almost instantly. We beat City at Old Trafford last season because he was so good in that game, always available to assist Varane/Shaw to deal with Haaland. If we played against City with him in current form it'd be another 6 goal fest. I'll be watching him in the Bayern game very intently.
He's been bad for a while. Body is unable to match what the brain wants to accomplish. If he is to continue playing in a top league, he should quit the national team and move somewhere with a slower tempo.
Sadly, I think he will be the next big name to move to the Saudi league in a year or two. Would be great if we could get Mainoo to be his understudy for the rest of the season.
Sadly, I think he will be the next big name to move to the Saudi league in a year or two. Would be great if we could get Mainoo to be his understudy for the rest of the season.
We went in of our own volition, no one forced us. To think that in three months of off season the only two midfield players we could identify were the ones at Barca and Madrid! That's where our main issue lies, talent ID is poor to very poor because its unacceptable that out of over a thousand midfielders and you have 70m to spend you find yourself consigned to those two.
Who would have thought signing a 30 year old midfielder who's already spent 10 years at Madrid on a lucrative 4 year contract would go tits up?
It's the same with Varane. Always willing to take everyone else's scraps after their best days are long behind them. As usual, it shows an astounding lack of creativity and longevity planning on our part if of the hundreds of midfielders we could have targeted, we settle on De Jong and Casemiro. Are the club seriously suggesting there wasn't a single player in all of Europe (and beyond) that could have added something to the team, and done so for more than one season?
If Murtough is the man tasked with over turning our fortunes from the top down, he has failed miserably. There still seems to be no real data driven approach to any of our signings. It's inevitable that someone like Carlos Baleba is going to look like a midfielder we've been crying out for all these years when he's just been picked up for relative peanuts.
It's the same with Varane. Always willing to take everyone else's scraps after their best days are long behind them. As usual, it shows an astounding lack of creativity and longevity planning on our part if of the hundreds of midfielders we could have targeted, we settle on De Jong and Casemiro. Are the club seriously suggesting there wasn't a single player in all of Europe (and beyond) that could have added something to the team, and done so for more than one season?
If Murtough is the man tasked with over turning our fortunes from the top down, he has failed miserably. There still seems to be no real data driven approach to any of our signings. It's inevitable that someone like Carlos Baleba is going to look like a midfielder we've been crying out for all these years when he's just been picked up for relative peanuts.
I was skeptical when we signed him but so many here were defensive about the signing because we were signing such a reputed DM. I just find the idea of spending big money on players who are nearing 30 or above, not worth the risk.
I think the risk with older players who’ve won it all is with their heads rather than their legs. I figured Casemiro came here for a nice payday, winding down his career away from the pressure of Madrid. But he seemed really motivated when he first came here, celebrating every tackle and going mad with the crowd. He clearly liked being one of the leaders in the team. Now he’s very nonchalant, often lazy and cocky. It seemed like he came here for a last hurrah, he bought into a mini project to revive a sleeping giant, and now he’s given up on that idea as it looks like we’re going backwards again. Younger players can go off the rails but they’re unlikely to just call it a day, for the sake of their own careers.
Signing for Utd is basically giving up on trying to win the League or the Champions League but on big wages. Whether someone like Casemiro knew that before he arrived I have no idea but he will know it now. He may well be having motivational issues but his physical decline is very obvious and dramatic.
I think so. So an approval, but not identified by ETH. So tough to pin that on him. Especially the length of contract.
Varane was a risk too but more a risk worth taking. Again we just aren’t making smart transfers.
The time has been and gone for players like Casemiro. Won absolutely everything in the game and truth be told has little riding on how well he does for us.
His combative style for years barely ever lasts with these footballers. Look at Vidal for example huge drop off in physicality quickly. Same with just about every single other box to box I can think of past 30.
Toni Kroos & Modric are more technique than physicality. Same as Pirlo was and Scholes. They can last longer.
The time has been and gone for players like Casemiro. Won absolutely everything in the game and truth be told has little riding on how well he does for us.
His combative style for years barely ever lasts with these footballers. Look at Vidal for example huge drop off in physicality quickly. Same with just about every single other box to box I can think of past 30.
Toni Kroos & Modric are more technique than physicality. Same as Pirlo was and Scholes. They can last longer.
I would think it's just a (really) slow start to the season... he looks wildly off the pace.
But then so do most of our team
But then so do most of our team
He is a bad starter, had a lot of travel and played a game mid week. I still think he can be good with Amrabat beside him, you just can't play him and Eriksen together, they get walked all over by dynamic midfielders.
The midfield doesn't help themselves at times...if you are lacking in mobility, then it would be a good idea not to instantly give the ball back to the opposition the second you win it.
Casemiro should be experienced enough to know this...if the forwards have been chasing (albeit poorly) around to win the ball back for the last 5 minutes they will need a moment to recover, so keep the ball! do a few safe passes!
But nah! sod that lets go full on Hollywood and attempt passes which have a 0.0001% of coming off.
Casemiro should be experienced enough to know this...if the forwards have been chasing (albeit poorly) around to win the ball back for the last 5 minutes they will need a moment to recover, so keep the ball! do a few safe passes!
But nah! sod that lets go full on Hollywood and attempt passes which have a 0.0001% of coming off.
There’s no point having a go at him - he’s had a great career and has nothing to prove. He’s an old man now for that position and probably eyeing up Saudi, and who could blame him? Same with Varane.
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