[Lyng]

I really do not understand this forum. All I see is fans creaming over Casemiro against a very low block, yet on the counter were a threat.

He obviously is a very good player but so far, none of his performances have been all that. I mean when we lose the ball, he wants to dive in to win it. The number of times in yesterdays game he went into a challenge and lost it, with the opposition then running at our defence is laughable.

Against better oppositions we are going to get countered with ease. Watch when we play Spurs and he looks like a tool.

Everton's midfield has been very strong lately and he made them look trash.

 

[romufc]

Everton's midfield has been very strong lately and he made them look trash.

Yep, he made them look trash. Did you count how many times he gave the ball away? He also was the reason they scored.

There is a reason he played for Madrid but he has been average so far, I guarantee if he continues the way he is, we get slapped up by better teams again.

 

[Lyng]

Yep, he made them look trash. Did you count how many times he gave the ball away? He also was the reason they scored.

There is a reason he played for Madrid but he has been average so far, I guarantee if he continues the way he is, we get slapped up by better teams again.

He also was awarded MotM. He is adjusting to the league but we control games when he is playing.
I remember Carrick got stick back then for similar reasons. A lot of football fans simply dont understand the role

 

[RopersReturn]

He looks like he’s starting to settle in and has given two solid performances so far. The midfield seems to show signs of generally developing into a much stronger unit.

 

[romufc]

He also was awarded MotM. He is adjusting to the league but we control games when he is playing.
I remember Carrick got stick back then for similar reasons. A lot of football fans simply dont understand the role

I get that but saying we control games he plays is fine but also you have to put things into perspective.
Everton are a sit deep and counter team, so are Omonia. Obviously we are going to control those game possession wise.

I am not saying he is been bad or anything, I just dont think he has been as good as some people are making it look.

 

[bosnian_red]

Think he makes an enormous difference when on the pitch. Has had his rusty moments which is understandable, but he shows for the ball constantly (McTominay does not), and plays it forward quickly (McTominay does not). Those 2 points are vital for us and he'll sharpen up the sloppy moments he's had as that's just sharpness. But he's on a different planet for our build up and on the ball compared to McTominay, as well as he has played this season.

 

[paraguayo]

I get that but saying we control games he plays is fine but also you have to put things into perspective.
Everton are a sit deep and counter team, so are Omonia. Obviously we are going to control those game possession wise.

I am not saying he is been bad or anything, I just dont think he has been as good as some people are making it look.

He was incredible yesterday, stop talking nonsense.

There is always one snarky poster trying to go against the obvious, infuriating..

 

[RepardReece]

I get that but saying we control games he plays is fine but also you have to put things into perspective.
Everton are a sit deep and counter team, so are Omonia. Obviously we are going to control those game possession wise.

I am not saying he is been bad or anything, I just dont think he has been as good as some people are making it look.

God the amount of complaining you are doing about Casemiro I'd think you haven't been watching the last 3 years with McTominay / Fred.

It is honestly worlds apart the difference between him and those two, and yeah he hasn't fully settled in yet but the midfield already feels a lot more sturdy than it has been in a long time.

 

[romufc]

God the amount of complaining you are doing about Casemiro I'd think you haven't been watching the last 3 years with McTominay / Fred.

It is honestly worlds apart the difference between him and those two, and yeah he hasn't fully settled in yet but the midfield already feels a lot more sturdy than it has been in a long time.

Complaining? I think you have issues reading mate. All I said is he wasnt as amazing as people say he was. I haven't once said McTominay or Fred should be ahead of him.

I mean we are looking at 2 games where teams sit back, saying he can play better is complaining?

Well lets see how sturdy we look in the next 3 games against better opponents.

 

[skc_18]

Yep, he made them look trash. Did you count how many times he gave the ball away? He also was the reason they scored.

There is a reason he played for Madrid but he has been average so far, I guarantee if he continues the way he is, we get slapped up by better teams again.

No white text?
He gives ball away may be couple of times a game but the amount of balls he wins and the amount of control we have in midfield when he plays is a massive upgrade from last year.

 

[Andycoleno9]

World class player. Showing us what we were missing last 10 years on that position.

 

[Oly Francis]

No white text?
He gives ball away may be couple of times a game but the amount of balls he wins and the amount of control we have in midfield when he plays is a massive upgrade from last year.

What he means is that the amount of control he provides United will be determined after a couple of games against teams that play proper football, not low block Everton or Omonia that sits 6th out of 14 in the Cyprus league.

He's obviously an upgrade after years of McFred but how big of an upgrade is still up for debate.

Yes he looked very good. But you can't say "he was amazing!!" without tempering down by saying that United played against the equivalent of a League One club.

 

[TheReligion]

What he means is that the amount of control he provides United will be determined after a couple of games against teams that play proper football, not low block Everton or Omonia that sits 6th out of 14 in the Cyprus league.

He's obviously an upgrade after years of McFred but how big of an upgrade is still up for debate.

Yes he looked very good. But you can't say "he was amazing!!" without tempering down by saying that United played against the equivalent of a League One club.

Ligue One club *

 

[skc_18]

What he means is that the amount of control he provides United will be determined after a couple of games against teams that play proper football, not low block Everton or Omonia that sits 6th out of 14 in the Cyprus league.

He's obviously an upgrade after years of McFred but how big of an upgrade is still up for debate.

Yes he looked very good. But you can't say "he was amazing!!" without tempering down by saying that United played against the equivalent of a League One club.

To be honest, we play our worst football against the low block teams and not the top teams. Against top teams we play counter-attacking football which is always hit and miss.

Also my opinion is not based on last two games but include all the games he played. He gave away ball few times but his passing is decent and he is not afraid of tackling and wins the tackles too. I don't think we have similar player with those attributes.

 

[croadyman]

Fully backing him but want to see him up against a decent midfield which will happen Sunday

 

[Varun]

Love how he doesn't need more than 2 touches to get the ball moving. Similar to licha. It's an underrated but vital part of their game.

 

[Jeppers7]

He’s a clear upgrade on the chewing gum and spit that we’ve been trying to use to plug the DM role for years

One and two touches. Class.

 

[Brwned]

I really do not understand this forum. All I see is fans creaming over Casemiro against a very low block, yet on the counter were a threat.

He obviously is a very good player but so far, none of his performances have been all that. I mean when we lose the ball, he wants to dive in to win it. The number of times in yesterdays game he went into a challenge and lost it, with the opposition then running at our defence is laughable.

Against better oppositions we are going to get countered with ease. Watch when we play Spurs and he looks like a tool.

Good thing he’s played against better opposition many times before in his career, including at a higher level than the EL, most recently in a CL final in which he was the best outfield player on the pitch. And over the course of the season he won more tackles and was dribbled less often than Fabinho, one of the best DMs in the league and a player he keeps out of the Brazil team. So he might have some idea how to play against better opposition.

 

[Ekeke]

For me I think he's done well in the past couple of games but certainly nothing special. Just what you'd expect from a good CM/DM. But compared to our other midfielders performances this season that is enough for praise.

Any less than that at this stage would have been alarm bells. And he'll have to do more than that to be worth what we paid, but at least he's on a positive trajectory now after not even getting gametime early on which was a very poor start.

 

[Ish]

Dont worry, players make mistakes and the moment he makes a mistake and doesnt have a good game those wasted money posts will be back to tell you that 'they told you so'

This.

 

[Marwood]

Just has that picture in his head that all the best midfielders have.

So without necessarily having top class ball playing ability and touch he just does the right things at the right time.

It's been a while.

 

[Olecurls99]

Just has that picture in his head that all the best midfielders have.

So without necessarily having top class ball playing ability and touch he just does the right things at the right time.

It's been a while.

This is it. A footballing brain in the middle of the park. My God how we've missed it

 

[RopersReturn]

I think Casemiro’s beginning to show some real touches of class.

 

[DJ_21]

Got to start tomorrow alongside eriksen. Or even alongside Fred and drop Fernandes just to give us a bit more security but we know that ain’t happening.

 

[RopersReturn]

Got to start tomorrow alongside eriksen. Or even alongside Fred and drop Fernandes just to give us a bit more security but we know that ain’t happening.

Who would you have as Captain if Fernandes was dropped?

 

[Stacks]

I really do not understand this forum. All I see is fans creaming over Casemiro against a very low block, yet on the counter were a threat.

He obviously is a very good player but so far, none of his performances have been all that. I mean when we lose the ball, he wants to dive in to win it. The number of times in yesterdays game he went into a challenge and lost it, with the opposition then running at our defence is laughable.

Against better oppositions we are going to get countered with ease. Watch when we play Spurs and he looks like a tool.

Every new player gets creamed over instantly. The good stuff exaggerated and their weaknesses get minimised. People were probably calling Bailly world class when he first joined because he was tough in the tackle and calm on the ball. Its new toy syndrome

 

[Annihilate Now!]

Who would you have as Captain if Fernandes was dropped?

Ronaldo, De Gea or Varane... maybe even Rashford

 

[dubplate warrior]

I get that but saying we control games he plays is fine but also you have to put things into perspective.
Everton are a sit deep and counter team, so are Omonia. Obviously we are going to control those game possession wise.

I am not saying he is been bad or anything, I just dont think he has been as good as some people are making it look.

Hopefully he can do it against the better teams. . . oh.

On a serious note though, he really is very good. His passing is all one and two touch and he constantly plays through the lines. He also takes up the right positions off the ball and regularly provides presence and protection for our defence. Against Newcastle, whenever Dalot gets caught out of position from playing further up the pitch, pay attention to how quickly Casemiro will be there to mop up or make it difficult for the ball to go anywhere but back. He gave the ball away against Everton in his first league start 4 times yet he still managed to be MOTM. Pay attention to his overall game a bit more mate, you're in for a treat and we've been starving for too long!

 

[iHicksy]

At long last we have a midfielder who keeps track of where everyone is on the pitch so that as soon as the ball is on it's way to him he already knows exactly where it's going. This is the single most important skill a cm needs to have and we haven't had it since Scholes/Carrick. Compared it to other cm's weve had who receive the ball take a couple of touches, then look around and decide where to pass based on where people are. Having players like this in the middle of the park is the difference between winning and losing.

I'd say i'm amazed that some people can't see what an insanely good midfielder he was, but then i've been on redcafe long enough to realise there's an insane amount of people around who don't understand the small details and only focus on how many goals/assists someone gets. Do you think it was a fecking accident he was the base for madrid for god knows how many years? That's a club that doesn't accept anything but the best.

 

[daveskimufc]

Casimero and Martinez are doing the 1 thing we've missed for 5/6/10 years. When they get the ball, their first thought is forward. Go forward, pass forward.

 

[DJ_21]

Who would you have as Captain if Fernandes was dropped?

Eriksen, de gea, Ronaldo, Varane, maybe Casemiro. There all leaders.

 

[RedIan]

Casamiro is a classy CDM, exactly what we have been missing. Someone who can defend but also get the ball forward. He starting to show his qualities now and hopefully stays fit and becomes a regular.
a big class above mcfred.

 

[RuudTom83]

Football is a sum of all parts…no doubt he brings the average ability/performance of the team up.

It will be interesting to see him against a few of the better teams (Spurs/Chelsea)

 

[SirReginald]

Football is a sum of all parts…no doubt he brings the average ability/performance of the team up.

It will be interesting to see him against a few of the better teams (Spurs/Chelsea)

I think he will be very good against us, on the basis that I don’t see you controlling possession, I see you playing on the counter. He will be in destroyer/attack dog mode.

 

[Santoryo]

I think he will be very good against us, on the basis that I don’t see you controlling possession, I see you playing on the counter. He will be in destroyer/attack dog mode.

I don't see you guys dominating possession. Starting with the City game in that second half we haven't let any team dominate possession against us and I doubt we'll play on the counter like we did against Arsenal and Liverpool.

Second half against City we had more possession then them and Ten Hag has been actively trying to move away from the counter he applied the 2-3 weeks following those 2 bad opening defeats. After seeing City trash us in the first half trying to play on the counter we gave it up since then, at least so far.

Chelsea might get more possession but I don't see us playing on the counter. They might shade possession but not in a way similar to how we let Arsenal and Liverpool play or City in the first half.

 

[Stig]

Hopefully he can do it against the better teams. . . oh.

On a serious note though, he really is very good. His passing is all one and two touch and he constantly plays through the lines. He also takes up the right positions off the ball and regularly provides presence and protection for our defence. Against Newcastle, whenever Dalot gets caught out of position from playing further up the pitch, pay attention to how quickly Casemiro will be there to mop up or make it difficult for the ball to go anywhere but back. He gave the ball away against Everton in his first league start 4 times yet he still managed to be MOTM. Pay attention to his overall game a bit more mate, you're in for a treat and we've been starving for too long!

That's a balanced and polite response.

 

[AjaxCunian]

The opposition was terrible, but that was one of the best performances in CDM I've seen in years. His passing was so insanely good, even from headers or volleyed clearances. Really want to see how he does against Newcastle.

 

[Andersons Dietician]

I think you can see positionally he is far superior to what we’ve had recently and he is always scanning to see where he should be but then for some reason he then goes on like a wonder and seems to leave Eriksen as the DM. Wondering what that is about but apart from the odd mistake here or there he’s been solid enough. More to come hopefully.

 

[Real Name]

They probably didn't watch the game is it was against league one level Cypriot team that nobody has heard of. The only use of games like this are to keep players sharp/fit but I would not use them as a guage as to how great our players are

Does that work too when he has a bad game against a Moldovan team nobody had heard of?

 

[RaulitoElCrack]

Will take time for him to adapt after playing with Modric and Kroos for so long. Playing with Bruno must be infuriating for him, everytime he works his legs off winning the ball only for it to be given back to the opposition straight away by Bruno.

Lets see how many times Bruno loses the ball today or breaks down attacks with overhit passes.