Cancel Culture

Pogue Mahone said:
There’s a theory knocking round that one of the inadvertent consequences to invading Ukraine that Russia is worrying about is an easing of the culture war they’ve been desperately stirring for the last decade or more, to try and destabilise the West.

Endless arguments about who gets to use which bathrooms seems even more trivial now there’s such an overt and evil enemy to both sides of the debate. So it makes sense he’s been briefed to try and keep the fire lit as much as possible.
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The alt right nutters in the Netherlands have neatly lined up behind Putin and are spreading the whole, Ukraine are all nazi's crap.
 
There's an article today about cancel culture in a high school. I would not recommend reading it. Not because it isn't interesting, but because the style is so bad I couldn't last 5 minutes. From twitter screenshots, the case is a boy who shared his girlfriend's nudes, and then got put on some type of list of abusers. He was boycotted by the rest of the students, and even people speaking to him were boycotted.
I don't think sharing nudes is a small thing, and I'm not sure he got any official punishment, but these total social boycotts are scary, and teenagers using this is really scary.


Anyway, that made me think back to this thread and Sabatini, and I was wondering how other research workers (r/labrats) saw the case. Lot of the same points made here (with many more people critical of him). You can see for yourself here, here, here and here. I learnt that he was on the complainant's thesis committee (but before the affair), and that his father and brother are on the board of NYU (who tried to hire him). But there was also something else, not related to the allegations but to his research:
https://forbetterscience.com/2020/01/29/david-sabatini-tormented-by-steaming-turds/
These are some quite blatantly doctored images in multiple papers of his. It's possible this was a massive number rogue students whose work he didn't examine closely enough, but talk like this doesn't help:

To be fair, Sabatini reacted immediately after I pointed him to his Boulbes et al 2010 paper and the next one, in Nature: he blocked me on Twitter and described me as a “steaming turd”.
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Just to clarify, this linked piece was written before the allegations. These could have been career-ending together, but didn't lead to even a single retraction. It certainly says ... something that consistent research fraud many errors in published work have less consequences than (what is being portrayed as) a grey-area violation of workplace policy.

Anyway, that's partly why I was frustrated with this discourse about this - like without one man, cancer is eternal, with him, it's beaten.



PS -
If you want to see the actual back-and-forth between a prof and these anonymous research fraud types, this is amazing. I don't have the time or patience to figure which side is more plausible, but the amount of work both are doing is crazy. Fraud or not, Sabatini's collaborator made a much better effort to address allegations than Sabatini's method of twitter block or his perfunctory response here.

e - seems like i posted in the wrong thread, i remembered a lot more discussion than one solitary post.
 
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My sympathy for someone receiving backlash after sharing nude photos of someone else is very limited.
 
Cancel Culture has always been a thing. It's just the line has moved slightly.

The only difference now is that the people being cancelled have an alternative life where they end up on LBC Radio/GB News where their entire thing is "being cancelled".
 
So far this one is one of the more clear examples of cancel culture. I can't find whether he got his job back or not, but he's suing the company.

In the summer of 2020, Emmanuel Cafferty was suspended and later terminated from his job at SDG&E after a picture of him was posted on Twitter that showed him in a company vehicle, a few miles away from a Black Lives Matter rally, making what some consider to be a white power hand symbol.

Cafferty, who is Mexican-American, says he was unaware of the hand gesture and was simply fidgeting while he was driving, a habit he has had for years. Now, over a year later, Cafferty says he is still unemployed and traumatized.

"I sought counseling, I did all that. I did months and months of counseling and none of it is helping. I’m in a worse situation today, 16 months later than I was that day, financially I’m on fumes," Cafferty said.
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https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/lo...tured-in-monica-lewinsky-documentary/2737370/
 
I know this isn't really a topic for this thread entirely, but I'm not making a new one.

Alt-right twitter in The Netherlands is trying cancel sunscreen with the #sunscreenfree hashtag implying that it's all a big pharma hoax and that your skin can handle sunlight just fine as long as you let your skin "get used to it" in spring and gradually increase exposure to it. Is this an international thing or is this particular bit of feckwittery confined to my dumb country?

I mean, at what point do you throw people in jail, because they urge their brainless followers to expose their small children to direct sunlight without sunscreen?
 
KirkDuyt said:
I know this isn't really a topic for this thread entirely, but I'm not making a new one.

Alt-right twitter in The Netherlands is trying cancel sunscreen with the #sunscreenfree hashtag implying that it's all a big pharma hoax and that your skin can handle sunlight just fine as long as you let your skin "get used to it" in spring and gradually increase exposure to it. Is this an international thing or is this particular bit of feckwittery confined to my dumb country?

I mean, at what point do you throw people in jail, because they urge their brainless followers to expose their small children to direct sunlight without sunscreen?
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but how can they bear to be outside, what with all the chemtrails?
 
KirkDuyt said:
I know this isn't really a topic for this thread entirely, but I'm not making a new one.

Alt-right twitter in The Netherlands is trying cancel sunscreen with the #sunscreenfree hashtag implying that it's all a big pharma hoax and that your skin can handle sunlight just fine as long as you let your skin "get used to it" in spring and gradually increase exposure to it. Is this an international thing or is this particular bit of feckwittery confined to my dumb country?

I mean, at what point do you throw people in jail, because they urge their brainless followers to expose their small children to direct sunlight without sunscreen?
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In portugal they're still hungover from all the parties after the abortion decision in the us, but it wouldn't surprise me to see it in the next few days. The vaccines crowd will love it.
 
Pogue Mahone said:


Irish comic who got cancelled to feck a few years ago gingerly trying to get his career back on track.
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Never heard about him, but seems fair enough for him to give it another go. These kinds of judgements in the court of public opinion shouldn't be for life in any case. If Louis C.K., Aziz Ansari and the like can make a comeback, so can he.
 
Mike Smalling said:
Never heard about him, but seems fair enough for him to give it another go. These kinds of judgements in the court of public opinion shouldn't be for life in any case. If Louis C.K., Aziz Ansari and the like can make a comeback, so can he.
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Yeah he definitely deserved a second chance. His career’s been completely derailed for a very long time though. Something that was well underway long before he had an opportunity to defend himself. You can imagine what this could have done to someone who is in any way vulnerable.
 
Think she went a little off script here. No doubt she will be cancelled by the anti-cancel crusaders in very short order…

 
The exact people who claim to detest cancel culture and 'wokeism' are in their droves calling for Trevor Sinclair to get the sack right now.
 
GDaly95 said:
In a deleted tweet he said something along the lines of "Why would any black or brown people be expected to mourn the queen?"
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This is different though, it’s the queen. This means more...
 
hobbers said:
Free to speak but not free from consequence, that's the usual line in these situations.
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Free to speak, but not free from scrutiny should be a more fair assessment. (FYI I wouldn't sack him or want him 'cancelled')
 
I wouldn’t sack him for it, but people have been fired for less. Then they usually end up at talksport anyway.

He’s still a massive helmet though.
 
They should sack him for being clueless about everything he talks about. He’s just a smidge better than Agbonlahor
 
GDaly95 said:
The exact people who claim to detest cancel culture and 'wokeism' are in their droves calling for Trevor Sinclair to get the sack right now.
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Taken off air now:


And of course the Mail/Express comments are exactly what you'd expect:
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All no doubt anti-cancel culture right up to the second that somebody says something that they don't like. cnuts.

For what it's worth I wish the thought police on both the right and the left would feck off, but I think I'm in a very small minority. :lol:
 
So, I knew that Dr. Suess made massively racist propaganda cartoons and the like during World War 2, but what I didn’t learn till today was that he also cheated on his 1st wife after she’d been stricken with Guillen-Barre syndrome and cancer, driving her into such a dark depression that she committed suicide… after which, he married his mistress.

How the hell hasn’t he been cancelled yet?
 
V.O. said:
Taken off air now:


And of course the Mail/Express comments are exactly what you'd expect:
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All no doubt anti-cancel culture right up to the second that somebody says something that they don't like. cnuts.

For what it's worth I wish the thought police on both the right and the left would feck off, but I think I'm in a very small minority. :lol:
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They got rid of Sinclair and brought in Souness! :lol:

I can imagine the meeting regarding finding his replacement. “Guys, we’ve lost a really valuable Cnut in this facade. Which high calibre Cnut can we get to replace him?”
 
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