Looks like the writers over at ESPN have been reading the Cafe 
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/club...sing-champions-league-final-as-winning-fa-cup
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/club...sing-champions-league-final-as-winning-fa-cup
Can a win be a loss? Poll | Hypothetical: United and Liverpool win, or Chelsea and Real Madrid win?
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Looks like the writers over at ESPN have been reading the Cafe
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/club...sing-champions-league-final-as-winning-fa-cup
It's written by Scott Patterson, he is ManUtd fan and the guy who owned and published articles in republic of mancunia site.
I would actually prefer Liverpool to win, as this may finally give the motivation to our board/manager to actually buy better and play a more attractive brand of football. We should be in, or very close to, the final ourselves.
I also can't stand Madrid and their greasy haired players intimidating/bullying referees and their arrogance in thinking they deserve to win solely based on their history.
Saying that, Madrid will most likely win via a dodgy penalty or blatantly offside goal.
I also can't stand Madrid and their greasy haired players intimidating/bullying referees and their arrogance in thinking they deserve to win solely based on their history.
Saying that, Madrid will most likely win via a dodgy penalty or blatantly offside goal.
I want Liverpool to win in Europe, as an English United fan. If we can't win it I'd rather another English team does. It's a damning indictment that modern fans are so absorbed with football rivalry at the expense of patriotism.
England National Team>Manchester United>Other English sides>Everyone else
England National Team>Manchester United>Other English sides>Everyone else
City have been playing on another level domestically speaking this season, but on the European stage their pedigree is nonexistent. Also CL encounters involving teams from the same league are often a toss-up as to the eventual viktor. Domestic form doesn't factor in to the equation as much as you would expect.
As far as CL runs go, Liverpool's thus far has been a relative piece of cake. Maribor, Moskva and Seville (I am aware they knocked us out) is an easy group. Then an average Porto side in the second round, followed by an inexperienced City in the next. Roma in the semi-final was, on paper anyway, another relatively easy tie. Liverpool have also had their fair share of luck too.
Real is the first real European heavyweight your lot would have faced so far, expecting them to walk right over you is perfectly reasonable all things considered.
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whilst that is true, Porto hadn't conceded a goal at home until we destroyed them, City are the best team in England by far and were the favorites to win the champions league (more experience in their players then ours) and Roma knocked out Barcelona and Chelsea. It wasn't as easy as it looked.
Yeah i know of the guy. Read him quite often. Just funny reading this forum, and then looking at that heading in the article.
If I could think of a single reason to support the notion of Liverpool winning, it'd be in an attempt to shut up Spanish league fans who blather on about how their league is the best and it's proven every year in Europe.
That being said, outside of an injury crisis or a catastrophic breakdown of tactics by Zidane, Madrid have absolutely no business losing that match. If their midfield is on song they should walk it, to be honest.
That being said, outside of an injury crisis or a catastrophic breakdown of tactics by Zidane, Madrid have absolutely no business losing that match. If their midfield is on song they should walk it, to be honest.
A win for us. I like us winning trophies. So Liverpool win the CL again. Gives us more to aim at.
Both win nothing is the way to go. Liverpool winning the CL puts us behind by 3 CL's while another FA cup does nothing much to our cabinet. We seem to win 1 cl every decade and that would mean at least in theory 30 odd years before we catch up to Liverpool provided they do not win more in the meantime. Unless we go on a Madrid style run which seems unbelievable currently but you never know. I am leaning towards the best scenario where we win the FA Cup and Liverpool lose the CL.
Do you serious think Liverpool winning in Kiev will affect our budget?
Hopefully Madrid win 10-0.
Barcelona knocked out Chelsea. You can't include them just because Roma knocked out Barca.
You'd rather your team lose a cup final just so that Liverpool lose also? A bit small time.
I voted both win. Its not like were gonna knock Liverpool off their Euro perch any time soon anyhow. Even under Fergie we only won it twice in 2 decades. Winning the FA cup puts us joint top with Arsenal on wins.
I'm clearly in the minority here, but I would honestly prefer more success for the English clubs and the resulting preference for big players coming to our league. I can stomach the Liverpool fans crowing for a few seasons, especially if it puts more pressure on United and the other English clubs to try and shut them up by winning more trophies.
Imo it’s been pretty well established that Pep isn’t all that in Europe. He’s still fecking good and one of the best, but he lacks that aura of invincibility like he has when it comes to leagues.
Fuuuuuck that
I rather Liverpool and us winning. I can't stand that cnutist club Real Madrid , Liverpool never bother us as much as RM. We compete with them fairly without trying to buy each other players.
I would rather lose 10-0 to Chelsea in the FA Cup final than Liverpool win another CL
You had no choice of which country you fell out of a vagina into.
You chose your club.
Tribal Stupidity makes far more sense than Patriotic Stupidity
Selecting anything other than United to win a trophy is ridiculous to be honest. Why do we bother otherwise?
Had to ponder for a few minutes, United losing the FA Cup Final is never really an option but the thought of Liverpool winning the CL is just quite simply, horrendous. Opted for the both win nothing choice, but with slight reservations.
Do you serious think Liverpool winning in Kiev will affect our budget?
Hopefully Madrid win 10-0.
No actually I don't
We have the budget to buy who we want, but still manage to acquire gash players.
Maybe it'll show our board that a team can play attractive and win something. The problem is Mou will be proven right when Klopp fecks it again.
A Mou/ Klopp partnership would be lethal though
In order to become the most successful English side in Europe, giving up an FA Cup to stop Liverpool win a CL is a small price
Not really, more likely completely disjointed.No actually I don't
We have the budget to buy who we want, but still manage to acquire gash players.
Maybe it'll show our board that a team can play attractive and win something. The problem is Mou will be proven right when Klopp fecks it again.
A Mou/ Klopp partnership would be lethal though
If we want to be the most successful English side in Europe, we need to be constant successful club every year for some seasons just like Madrid and we can win 2 3 C.L in 5 6 seasons, but what i see is that we are far far from that level still, so any trophy can be won we should take it in a heart beat without that comparison with Liverpool or any one.
So because we are far far away from the level we want to be at, let's bury our head in the sand when Liverpool win the CL?
So if you had tickets and you were going to Wembley on Saturday sitting in the stands, you would want United to actively lose the game?
Obviously not, because our winning has no bearing on what happens in Kiev.
This thread is about the hypothetical situation where the 2 games are linked.
Let me rephrase the question then..
So if you had tickets and you were going to Wembley on Saturday sitting in the stands, you would want United to actively lose the game, if it hypothetically guaranteed Liverpool losing in the CL final?
I wouldn't go in that case, I'd sell the ticket.
You clearly don't feel the same way about any another team
You don't half avoid the question
Would you say the same if it was the league cup? A completely irrelevant trophy vs liverpool winning the CL, and making themselves a hugely attractive club for players to join, basically dropping us down to 3rd in terms of the success of English clubs this season, makes them more competitive for future seasons, etc. Them potentially winning the CL probably has more of a negative for United as a club because of how it elevates them, compared to the benefit we get from winning an FA cup which on the whole doesnt really change anything other then the short term joy of winning a trophy (even if it's nowhere close to the main 2).
I'm very much on the fence about it, but theres valid arguments for both. Think back when Hazard joined Chelsea. Not a chance he would have joined them if they didnt win the CL that year. A penalty shootout decided essentially that he joined them over United. And that's just a minor example of Chelsea winning it, with all their riches already. Would be way worse with liverpool as it transforms them.
I’ve already said before if the results are tied, I’d rather Chelsea and Madrid win the games.
Why would I put myself through cheering Chelsea on when I can sell the ticket for a few hundred pounds?
Any joy I might have in seeing United winning will be completely overwhelmed by next Saturday happening.
Anyone who chooses option 2 is bitter, one eyed, sour, sullen and churlish.
I choose option 2.
I choose option 2.
Are you trying to wind me up? You were obviously repeatedly dropped on your head as a kid! How can you even comprehend wanting Liverpool to win ? You call yourself a UTD fan I’m embarrassed for you
I personally would rather us not win for 10 years if it meant Liverpool won nothing for the same period. I don’t think half of you realise how bad their fans are.. they are unbearable at the best of times!
Im not being funny, but I wouldnt trust half the posters on here to choose me breakfast. The ability to choose doesn't mean choice is always superior. Far too many take for granted the ability to choose anything. Were it not for a great sacrice of many Englishmen and women, perhaps we wouldn't have that freedom.
Case in point. You're not actually a united fan if you don't care about winning and are more concerned about Liverpool losing. You may as well support every other club bar Liverpool.
You might find that tgeir fans are less annoying if you care less about their club.