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Can't even feel a bit sorry for Hertha considering they just didn't mark Robben for that freekick.
What's up with Aubameyang? Since the African cup of nations, I'm hearing only negative news about him.
Not sure but he sure shit the bed midweek in CL.
lol it surprised me too, yet you have to say Hertha were begging for it. Spent the whole 2nd half time wasting, multiple players having cramps. can't get up again etc.
Then Dardai makes 2 substitutions in added time, players takeing half a minute to slouch off the pitch. They surely can't complain..
I love late goals. 
Can't feel sorry for Hertha because of the dive that led to their freekick(goal).
Can't feel sorry for Hertha because of the dive that led to their freekick(goal).Looks like it, I swear I saw 1-0 games in Bundesliga finishing at 89:55.
To be fair, all these are good points. But the Bundesliga has to be consistent or risk being charged with favoritism toward Bayern.
After all, it's not as if time wasting is unknown in Germany. It happens. But adding that much extra time is almost unheard of.
You are right, 5 minutes is a rare occurrence in BuLi (I actually struggle to remember any instance..). However, it is unprecedented also in matches involving Bayern. It's not like we routinely get more time than others.
We don't, and today the amount was certainly more than justifiable, as was letting it play out a bit longer since about half of added time was wasted by Hertha with subs.
Yeah, I suppose I have to admit this is also true.
According to google the average stoppage times are 4:13 for the Premier League, 3:50 for the Serie A, 3:23 in the Primera Division and 2:05 in the Bundesliga.
6 minutes for the Hertha - Bayern game is just uncalled for, at least by German standards. It's not like there were huge instances of time wasting, there were two cases of guys getting treatment because of cramps and since Berlin didn't have the ball towards the end they were unable to run down the clock. So I would have understood 3, maybe 4 minutes, but 5+1? No way...the match would have never been extended for that long in Munich with a 1:0 home team lead.
6 minutes for the Hertha - Bayern game is just uncalled for, at least by German standards. It's not like there were huge instances of time wasting, there were two cases of guys getting treatment because of cramps and since Berlin didn't have the ball towards the end they were unable to run down the clock. So I would have understood 3, maybe 4 minutes, but 5+1? No way...the match would have never been extended for that long in Munich with a 1:0 home team lead.
Most of the referees in the Bundesliga are closet Bayern fans, hence the extra six minutes.
Don't know why they feel the need to support them, they've plenty of ability as it is.
Another sending off for Frankfurt today, FIVE in 21 BL matches. It's gone beyond a joke.
If there's one thing that turns me off German football, it is the appalling standard of refereeing
Don't know why they feel the need to support them, they've plenty of ability as it is.
Another sending off for Frankfurt today, FIVE in 21 BL matches. It's gone beyond a joke.
If there's one thing that turns me off German football, it is the appalling standard of refereeing
Funny statement of yours, considering you lot got 7mins of stoppage time on Matchday 1 vs Freiburg, with Schieber scoring the winner for you in the 96th minute
Other than that there is little reason to complain for you, given the fact that you've scored after a blatant dive, and wasted time as good as you could. Also, I counted 4 guys having "cramps", not 2, and on top of that, Dardai opted for making 2 subs in the stoppage time. The whistle for the foul blew at 95:04, btw.
Funny statement of yours, considering you lot got 7mins of stoppage time on Matchday 1 vs Freiburg, with Schieber scoring the winner for you in the 96th minute
Other than that there is little reason to complain for you, given the fact that you've scored after a blatant dive, and wasted time as good as you could. Also, I counted 4 guys having "cramps", not 2, and on top of that, Dardai opted for making 2 subs in the stoppage time. The whistle for the foul blew at 95:04, btw.
What went on during the 90m is irrelevant.
The fact that you're trying to justify 6 minutes of injury time on the basis of a "blatant dive" is perverse logic.
Lewandowski is constantly diving (and "winning" dubious free kicks and penalties....I haven't even mentioned Robben.
Substitutes are supposed to be 30s extra injury time...one sub came in on the 96th minute, and the other came in AFTER the equaliser.
This claim has no substance.
Selective quoting at its best...
Complaining about stoppage time.
Hertha enjoy the occasional dive and time wasting as much as any team, I think it's weak to complain about a ref awarding a more fitting stoppage time for once. I'd be happy if the rest would follow suit.
Hertha enjoy the occasional dive and time wasting as much as any team, I think it's weak to complain about a ref awarding a more fitting stoppage time for once. I'd be happy if the rest would follow suit.
Going to Germany at the end of March
Always keep an eye on the match referee as they have a huge input into the eventual outcome of the result.
Heart sinks when I see the likes of Dingert, Aytekin, Brych in charge....
Always keep an eye on the match referee as they have a huge input into the eventual outcome of the result.
Heart sinks when I see the likes of Dingert, Aytekin, Brych in charge....
Complaining about stoppage time.
Hertha enjoy the occasional dive and time wasting as much as any team, I think it's weak to complain about a ref awarding a more fitting stoppage time for once. I'd be happy if the rest would follow suit.
I would as well, but we see right now how the perfomance of the ref gets rewarded in Germany. Dardai said it's Bayern bonus and now the media is all over it. What led to the amount of stoppage time will be ignored. In fact, I don't think ARD even mentioned the time wasting, and the 2 substitutions were mentioned just once.
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Yes - that is probably why wahretabelle.de right now counts 10 not given penalties for Bayern this season...
It's being called the "Bavarian bonus."
It was 5 mins of added time, not 6 or 7. Coman was fouled at around 95:00. It took over a minute to get the freekick off afterwards and the game was over after the freekick.
Should the ref have ended the game while Bayern had a freekick almost on the penalty box line?
Yes, 5 minute is rather unusual in Buli, but Berlin's time wasting was rather unusual as well. The also have profited from scoring in the 97th minutes themselves this season.
How many added on injury time minutes did the referee allow?
Time is only allowed for a penalty to be taken, everything else should be blown up when the time is up.
It's not like I'm justyfing added time in today's match but isn't the added time shown on board always a 'minimum'?
So Hertha are better than us?
So Hertha are better than us?
They have for sure a better defensive organisation... - and a higher workrate of the offensive players... - a lot teams in the Bundesliga have that...
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No matter what happens in the match?
Hertha made two substitutions in injury time. A substitution is usually 30 added seconds by default, if the subbed player decides to move off the pitch like a slug, I guess the ref is tempted to give more. If subs happens in injury time these are added onto added time.
Stop it, you have no leg to stand on.
The referee signalled FIVE minutes of injury time
Where did this time come from?
Was there a major injury in the second half, or was this time added because Bayern were losing?
The equaliser, of course, came in the sixth minute of injury time, and was the last kick of the match.
4 subs = 2 minutes
Then 3 more minutes due to Hertha's timewasting
Then another minute for the other 2 subs in extra time
I watched the match and it seemed fair to me.
Time wasting is a bookable offence, and yet the referee booked no HB player for time wasting.
He gave Bayern as long as he could and then some more to find an equaliser, and it worked.
It was added because several Hertha players had cramps since minute 50. The German second television counted 9 minutes of wasted time because of breaks like this in the second half. I think 5 minutes extra time aren't really bad because of this...
And there were 2 slow substitutions in the 5 minutes of extra time - so room for the referee to let the last scene with Coman run out before whistling the end. If Coman would have gotten to a cross or lost the ball - and would not have been fouled - it would have been the last scene. With the foul the freekick still was played.
Funny statement of yours, considering you lot got 7mins of stoppage time on Matchday 1 vs Freiburg, with Schieber scoring the winner for you in the 96th minute
Other than that there is little reason to complain for you, given the fact that you've scored after a blatant dive, and wasted time as good as you could. Also, I counted 4 guys having "cramps", not 2, and on top of that, Dardai opted for making 2 subs in the stoppage time. The whistle for the foul blew at 95:04, btw.
..or maybe you could do some research before posting. That game against Freiburg originally had 5 minutes of stoppage time because the referee had ordered some breaks to allow players to hydrate themselves, as it was extremely hot on that day. Schieber's goal was in the 95th, not the 96th minute and the final count of 7 minutes of stoppage time was a pretty normal decision since two goals had happened during stoppage time.
As for time wasting, of course there was some but I've seen way worse happen in the Bundesliga. Are you seriously implying that that game had more clock milking than your regular Bundesliga game? Nice try with the 4 cramps though, you know damn well several of those happened at the same time so there weren't 4 interruptions.
And for the record I wasn't complaining about the 1 additional minute, that's not unusual. The original 5 minutes though are not consistent with what Bundesliga referees usually give.
Bayern still have many problems. That's the reason why i am pissed off we got thrashed.
Take off your tinfoil hat. For once a Bundesliga ref gave an apropriate amount of injury time. Instead of concocting bullshit conspiracy theories we should complain more often about the ridiculous low average of injury time given in our league. How often to we get games witch 2 goals, 6 subs and 3 instances of players getting treated in the 2nd half with only 2 or 3 min added to the clock? How can anyone be mad about a ref for once not using this ridiculous standard? Or is there something in the DFB-laws that binds refs to a certain number? Preposterous posts in here...
And @Peyroteo clearly meant the numerous instances of Hertha players going down and getting treated for either nothing or cramps. That takes time off the clock and while not bookable it's clearly the oldest way known in football to waste precious seconds.
But if you know a team has its problems - and Bayern this season has that against teams that play with 5 on the back or have a very good organisation - you should not play in their cards. We had problems in prior matches against Arsenal in which you parked the bus - not in the open matches apart from times we had problems converting. Wednesday was really too easy. Robben told in an interview afterwards that he was surprised how much space they got. Nobody usually gets much possession against Bayern - especially if from the last weeks it was clear that Bayern will probably play with a more midfield orientated eleven with Alonso-Vidal-Thiago instead with hanging striker - nothing surprising. But if you cannot get this you need to either put a lot effort into continous pressing all over the pitch - or if that does not work park the bus and look for countering chances. It is not that Arsenal with their fast offensive players cannot do that countering in a way it could harm Bayern.
One thing I will agree on is that the standard of refereeing in the Bundesliga ia quite unlike anywhere else.
I'm an Eintracht fan & have seen 5 red cards in 21 matches (7 reds in 24 matches if cup matches are included) - three I can freely admit were reds but the other two were complete jokes (Abraham's yesterday & Chandler's v Hoffenheim in December).
At this stage I'm just sick of it. . . Matches being destroyed by awful refereeing.
I've come to the conclusion that there is bias among referees in the bundesliga with it predominantly favouring the "bigger" clubs, mainly Bayern & Dortmund.
This shouldn't be surprising. Referees are human, and of course they make mistakes, but they are also supporters as well as match officials. We all heard Mark Clattenburg refer to Newcastle as having the best team in England this week. All that is required is that these prejudices are weeded out, so that referees are not placed in charge of teams that are likely to be very favourable to.
Surely that's not too much to ask?
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Good post. I do think that, in fairness, there are some good-indeed excellent-referees in the Bundesliga, but then there's the likes of Felix Zwayer. Yikes.
Abraham should have gotten a red card in that match though, even quite early if i remember that correctly.
Dear me Zwayer just blow another call.
He's refereeing the Gladbach-Leipzig match at the moment.
He's refereeing the Gladbach-Leipzig match at the moment.