That certainly does sound like the good kind of busy. Good luck with the new job and renovating and definitely stay around!
Bundesliga 2016/17
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That certainly does sound like the good kind of busy. Good luck with the new job and renovating and definitely stay around!
Frontzeck is apparantly the favourite to take over in Ingolstadt 
. Bye, bye Ingolstadt. Seems like it was just pure luck that they found Hasenhüttl, if they're that clueless when looking for his replacements.
. Bye, bye Ingolstadt. Seems like it was just pure luck that they found Hasenhüttl, if they're that clueless when looking for his replacements.Come on Leipzig!
Have they played any of the big boys yet?
Have they played any of the big boys yet?
They won at home against Dortmund and drew against Gladbach.
How does he keep getting first division jobs.
ppg:
Aachen: 1,09
Bielefeld: 0,87
Gladbach: 1,05
St. Pauli 1,38 (2nd div)
Hannover 1,04
HOW?
ppg:
Aachen: 1,09
Bielefeld: 0,87
Gladbach: 1,05
St. Pauli 1,38 (2nd div)
Hannover 1,04
HOW?
Everyone is a very big word, but basically yes.
he must have a secret file with dirt on everybody in the busniess. hands-down the worst bundesliga manager of the last 25 years (if you ignore the ones who only coached a few matches).How does he keep getting first division jobs.
ppg:
Aachen: 1,09
Bielefeld: 0,87
Gladbach: 1,05
St. Pauli 1,38 (2nd div)
Hannover 1,04
HOW?
why?
Wow if Frontzeck gets another job in the bundesliga.
He's already historically the worst manager by some distance with over 100 games, it's unbelievable how he even got to 159 games. If he now gets ANOTHER job I'm lost for words.
He's already historically the worst manager by some distance with over 100 games, it's unbelievable how he even got to 159 games. If he now gets ANOTHER job I'm lost for words.
BMG are really struggling away from home, I expected more from them.
Red Bull, circumventing 50+1, plastic, etc
Compared to last season they playing awful at times. They should switch back to a 4-4-2 with two cdm. The injuries to Raffael, Hazard, Christensen didn't help them either.
Leipzig!!!
1-0 and then 2-1 down and they win 3-2 away to Leverkusen!
1-0 and then 2-1 down and they win 3-2 away to Leverkusen!
Leipzig now top of the league. 3 points ahead of Bayern with Der Klassiker tomorrow. What a season, even better start to it than in PL last year.
Naby Keita won't be in Germany for long. Wouldn't be surprised if Jose's already in his agent's ear.
It would be a real romantic story if it wasn't a McClub.
Hoping Bayern drop points tomorrow now.
Ugh, are people still calling the game by this term?
Amazing bottle job by Leverkusen once again. OG, missed pen and then this comical defending (including a huge blunder by Leno) for the second equaliser.
So I am guessing people have only started using it recently.
We absolutely need to win tonight. F*cking RB f*ckers.
No need to melt down if we don't win tonight. A draw away at Dortmund would be a great result. RB will slow down eventually and we still play them this year in Munich.
Rooting for RedBull this year! I think they have a wonderful approach towards attracting young talent and playing good attacking football. The animosity towards how they came to be just adds to the atmosphere!
Is it really less romantic than a thai consortium buying Leicester City after they went down to third division, then spending lots of money on countless different managers and on players? I wouldn't be surprised if the "Asia Football Consortium" spent more money in Leicester than Red Bull did in Leipzig?
I'm not melting down, I'm just angry.
Yes, obviously, because in difference to Leipzig Leicester is simply not an abnormality in their respective leagues. Club ownership is simply more accepted and widespread in the EPL, which means they never had a financial edge over the vast majority of the league. They were a true underdog vs. the whole top half of the table.
Leipzig on the other hand invested more than any other club in Germany on the transfer market this Summer, they invested an immense amount of money into their infrastructure over the last few years and had an unrivaled iron clad grip on the youth talent market in a large region for the same time.
Leipzig currently has one big advantage over every German team bar Bayern and Dortmund: They spend money on transfer fees and salaries that only a Bundesliga club on the International stage would normally be able to do without the negative effects of playing in an international competition. Them finishing above the two before mentioned teams would be a big accomplishment, but everything else is hardly a fairy tale.
So the main reason why it's obviously less romantic is because Asian owners in England are much more accepted than Austrian owners in Germany? Well, that has me convinced.
How is that lad who we were supposedly interested in, and then went to Schalke, doing? Embolo?
Struggled in the beginning, started to look like a footballer for a few weeks and then got injured, something with his ankle. He's out for 6 months as far as I know and won't return until March/April next year.
Ehm no? It's because the bundesliga technically has a rule that should prevent sugardaddies (or companies) but RB managed to elude that rule.
In England that's a different case all together.
That doesn't make it less romantic though, that just means that the rules aren't watertight enough to prevent a company from doing something similar to what's happening in England.
No, because Leicester was a far greater underdog than Leipzig is.
Leipzig´s net investments are completely out of reach for nearly all Bundesliga clubs. The only two clubs who could invest as much (without transfer income) on the transfer market without going into debt are the same who placed top 2 four out of five times and carried the German torch in the International competitions in recent history. And that is just the transfer spendings. Their training facilities and academy are state of the art and their youth recruitment even more ruthless than Dortmund´s and Schalke´s (where the aggressiveness roots more in the hard competition for local talent with each other).
There is nothing romantic about RB Leipzig. They are a highly ambitious project founded and carried by external money the club did not earn by performances on and outside the pitch. They jumped ahead of several clubs who spend years upon years in the league performing well and growing organically on the level they are right now.
Bundesliga should welcome more competition should it not.. surely better from a spectator point of view?
I do welcome them. Doesn't mean I like the way Red Bull as a sponsor is involved in all of this.
If only they were just a sponsor. The 'club' is basically just a subdivision of the Red Bull's marketing department.
Perhaps outside the country, where the title race is the all overshadowing topic. Inside Germany there are many fans who fear that RB Leipzig is the beginning of the journey of them from supporters to customers, including all the negative side effects.
I mostly want competition which has earned their place. This is actually less about Bayern and Dortmund, who are big enough and growing fast enough to fend off the investments Red Bull might pump into the club. This is more about the Frankfurt´s, Augsburg´s or Cologne´s which are without any fault on their part left in the dust because an energy drink company wants to turn a football club into a marketing machine
Come on? Frankfurst and Cologne with no fault on their own part? They've messed up countless times in the past and regularly failed to build on successful teams, often struggling despite having superior financial ressources to other clubs in the league. And while Augsburg obviously does a sensational job with their budget, they did benefit heavily from a bored millionaire saving them from bankrupty and rebuilding the club using partly his own financials and his business connections. It just wasn't a big marketing scheme like it is with Red Bull, but it was far from clean in a romantic sense either.
All I am saying is that expecting these clubs to organically rise up and challenge a Bayern is close to impossible. Not every club can go through a Dortmund like transformation and even then it seems Bayern will come and pillage such competition.
I get that RB are a threat to how Bundesliga does business and how it puts the fan first, but maybe a balance can be struck between getting money invested in smaller clubs, increasing competitiveness but also ensuring the fans are put first. If anyone can strike the right balance, I am sure the Germans can.
Nicely done by Goretzka.
