Hoffenheim almost stealing the 3 points... Bundesliga is awesome stuff everyweek
Bundesliga 2016/17
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Gotta give some credit to Hamburg despite the result: 0:3, 0:4, 1:5 didn't matter they always kept at it.
Well, that sucks a little. Played well in the 2nd half, especially once we changed up this god awful 4-3-3.
Still fuming at this typical bundesliga ref behavior. Baumann wastes time all 2nd half, Hoffenheim continue to slow down play at every dead ball, 6 changes and still only 3 min of extra time. Not at fault for the result, but aggravating
Still fuming at this typical bundesliga ref behavior. Baumann wastes time all 2nd half, Hoffenheim continue to slow down play at every dead ball, 6 changes and still only 3 min of extra time. Not at fault for the result, but aggravating
Wow. I had no idea that Hoffenheim had such a young manager and after reading your post, did a quick Google search. Managing a club at 29 is certainly an impressive feat in it self, but to do it so well (at least so far)... he's doing very very well for himself, long may it continue.
Nagelsmann's gained superstar status it seems, my commentator mentioned his name every 10 seconds.
You played well, I wouldn't worry too much about this draw.
As for the ref, if you think that was bad, you should watch some portuguese football where it's possible to play 20 minutes out of the last 45 and still get only 4 minutes of added time. Here in Portugal we look at Germany as an example to follow on this, where the ref always gives an apropriate amount of added on minutes so it's interesting you complain about it.
Just imagine if somehow Leipzig actually win it...
It's happening.
Dortmund next, right after the international break, that will be fun.
Leipzig with the chance to go top. If they score at least 7...
This is how they are catching their breathers, so that they can sustain their intensity. Pretty clever. No sense in complaining about stoppage times in BuLi games. We don't have a tradition for them to be lengthy if there weren't major injuries.
All in all, a fair result. Hoffe defended well, converted their only real chance in a stunning matter, and we lacked the last bit of precision in the box today. Can't win 'em all.
It's a gripe many (also on here) have with the refs in our league. It's super rare to get more than 1 minute in the first half, if even that, no matter what happens and 2nd half ET seldom exceeds 3 minutes.
agree, but in the end playing 2 or 5 additional minutes makes hardly a difference. It is just one of those things, where you can't get upset about because the system in itself is just nonsense.
We might have a chance to sign him for the following reasons:
1. Klopp has a good relationship with him
2. Dortmund cannot allow his contract to run down and let him leave for nothing
3. Reus, Mor and Dembele are probably ahead of him so his playing opportunities look limited in the future
4. It seems that a 'test the water' bid was made in the Summer.
I agree it's unlikely to happen in the middle of the season..
So Hoffenheim committed 25 fouls against us and got 2 meager yellow cards for their efforts. I'm going to need Thomas Tuchel to speak out.
1. Who is to say that Tuchel doesn't? I'd surely like the guy who gave me my first Bundesliga minutes at age 17 and immediately put a lot of trust in me.
2. For that to be relevant he'd have to wish to leave, which imho would be stupid of him.
3. He's played more than Mor thus far and besides Tuchel really likes to rotate (way more than Klopp!).
4. And supposedly being turned down means it's likely that a second bid will work?
Obviously it's entirely possible that he won't extend his contract and thus be sold, but personally I don't think that would be in his best interest and any talks about him joining other clubs are wishful thinking at best at this point.
Yes, Tuchel got a lot of stick for his comments, but I feel like Bundesliga is slowly(?) sliding to the level of the '14 WC.
We have some teams in the league who can play some really beatiful football I'd rather have the refs protecting them than the subpar footballers who try to compensate their lack of footballing ability with physicality and fouls.
How bad are Hamburg? Even Dortmund beat them.
He is on contract until 2019 so there is no danger to loose him for nothing. He is playing a lot lately and he is playing well (8 scorers in 12 games and played in all CL games) and he should be ahead of Mor as well, so i dont see him limited in playing time even if Reus returns and stays healthy. Tuchel is rotating a lot and Dortmund is still in all competitions. Cant see him leaving dortmund he has so much value considering his amazing talent (this kid just turned 18!) and him probably being already the best US player around (so a lot of marketing value as well). If he dont want to get stuck on his current contract and earn more money he will need to resign with Dortmund and i guess this is wants going to happen in the beginning of 2017 if he continues playing like this.
Those rumours about former coaches looking to sign players from their old clubs are so trashy. Thousands of them every year just based on this simple connection, only chances for Pulisic leaving Dortmund early would have been if he didnt get enough playing time this season, but watching his games so far the chances of this going to happen are really small
As of now they just remind me of Hoffenheim when they were Herbstmeister after coming up from the 2nd division. I expect Leipzig to collapse after the winter break if not earlier, just as Hoffenheim.
In hindsight these worries seem nearly silly. With around a fourth of season been played, Pulisic already played nearly 800 minutes, which means he could look at close to 3.000 minutes in his first full professional season. This is consistent starter playing time for a club outside the International competitions, just for him it is on a higher level and partly on the International stage.
Even with star player Reus likely returning after the International break, he still competes with Dembele for the third winger spot, which under Tuchel means quality game time every week given how many games we play and that all offensive players bar Castro and Ramos are Internationals.
Then there is the fact, that amongst the youngsters he is the one with the best skill set of playing centrally and with Kagawa´s future looking more and more grim there might even be a potential secondary position for him coming next season.
To put it simply, there is no regular CL club from the top leagues, which can give him a better perspective than we can. Hell, he even has two family members in the club (cousin plays for the youth, father works as scout) and a very calm enviroment amongst players of his age. Every potential move away from us would pose more risks to his development than potential benefits.
Unless he chases the big money so soon in his career (and from what I have seen he is more intelligent than that), he will sign a new contract and then take a look at his career options in four or five years.
Right now, the most likely scenario is that the club will wait until early next year and then renew both his and Passlack´s contracts until 2022 so that not too many contracts finish 2021.
It should be even more telling, that Passlack has not signed a new contract and is still on his old contract until 2019 (the same Pulisic has) given that his perspective is even more promising than the American´s.
Great attack from Leipzig. 1:0 against Mainz. Level on points with Bayern, as things stand.
I cant help but feel excited another team is there to challenge Bayern and Dortmund, even though the success is a bit artificial.
Agreed. It's good for the league to have another team with the potential to grow into a big club. As of now I don't fear them yet, which might be naive, but I think they won't be able to keep the form after the winter break.
Same. I´ll start worrying when they suffer their first setback and bounce back from it quickly. Right now they are a team carried by momentum and with a fairly favourable playing calender. After a fourth of the season they have yet to play any of the six toughest away fixtures.
Do you still believe he'll be healthy? Isn't that a bit similar to Ribery? Out for ridiculously long times with strange injuries that initially didn't look too bad, then he returns, plays well for a few games and the next injury starts. It's really sad and obviously you hope it'll be different with Reus this time, but surely there's a lot of doubt about him staying healthy/reaching his peak form again? Especially considering his struggles in Tuchel's system last season when he was actually fit for a short while.
That was all about that Ibisevic injury though. I think they'll keep this up but will eventually fall short. Ancelotti's league record coupled with Leipzig's start must be scaring some Bayern fans. Which makes me happy, considering how successful they are.
Need to check on my KickerLiga team today. My front 3 of Gomez, Kalou and Werner were doing quite well this weekend
I am beginning to appreciate bundesliga and the way teams play. Leipzig is so narrow and move the ball very well like a rugby team.
Many Bayern fans expect our league form to change and no one will be scared of close title fights in the future. It's really just the super-spoilt idiots who never realised what an outstanding job Guardiola did in the past 3 years in terms of league dominance who already started moaning now. The team has some problems and still needs a big rebuild if we continue to play a 433 and depend on elite wingers like Ribery and Robben.
Ancelotti so far hasn't been impressive, but his time to excel is in the second half of the season, so no one should really worry at the moment while we still are top of the league.
Tactically it has become such an amazing league in the last 5 years with so many young coaches bringing new ideas to the table. I'd love to see a few more traditional counterattacking teams because we have rarely any side that excels at defending deep, but other than that you have a wonderful variety of tactics, most played with so much energy and pace. It makes for exciting games, great to watch.
I am surprised to see a 29 year old coaching Hoffenheim and taking the game on to Bayern Munich.
23 goals and 8 assists in around 3.300 minutes is hardly what I call struggling, although he never hit his peak form under Tuchel. The thing with Reus is that he is one of the rare cases that he does not need to perform super well to score a lot and make the difference. The last point is the important thing about him. He is a difference maker, probably still the biggest one in the squad.
There are obviously concerns about his health, although I don´t rate them as strange as you do. The current one (pubic bone immflation) nearly always starts out as something minor and the ones before were clear cut ligament injuries from impact. Problem with Reus is that his ligaments are basically out of glass.
I don´t think our officials expect Reus to ever carry the team again like he did at his peak and did not find it odd that we signed more offensive wide player than we needed on paper.
Reus should be viewed as an extra weapon in our arsenal and not as a pillar of the team.
That's fair enough, I agree with all of that. Reus was still very productive while looking still a bit away from his peak form, so calling it 'struggling' might not be entirely fair.
No worries. I still remember many conversations after games going like this:
mate: Man, Reus was shite today.
me: Well, he scored two goals.
mate: But aside of that he was shite.
me: Games are won by scoring more goals than the other team. He is an offensive player, payed to score goals. He did that and without his goals we would have only drawn.
mate: He was our worst player by a country mile! Look at his ranking at website x,y,z.
me: ....... whatever.
Have not seen you around here for a while, btw. Been busy?
Drawing against Hoffenheim and now being equalled by Leipzig is really getting on my nerves. Would be annoying enough with the likes of Dortmund and Hertha, but drawing against the one upstart club and being chased by the other shouldn't be allowed.
Müller needs to start scoring again, he could and should have made the difference yesterday.
Müller needs to start scoring again, he could and should have made the difference yesterday.
True. I'll gladly accept a few lacklustre performances in this stage of the year if that means i don't see the same kind of faltering as the past years in May. One can only hope that the team spirit stays intact meanwhile. Robben, i hear, is starting to bitch (again) but thats Arjen for ya - doubt that costs anyones sleep but Arjens.
I'll admit that reflects my impression of Reus pretty well
He isn't the only one or first one of that breed, most others i can think of having watched (Makaay, Gomez..) were thoroughbred strikers where those kind of performances are more tolerable, though. Such players always leave one behind with a sense of disappointment still, because the feeling remains they *could have* played better and achieved more.A bit like Ziege back in the days, who would frequently deliver 20+ crosses per match to row Z but at the end of the day had assisted one, two or three goals anyway.
Yeah, been really busy, at work and at home. The positive kind of busy though, new job that I really like and doing a lot of renovation in my home. I still read on here most days but not much time to post and get dragged into discussions.