Bundesliga 19/20

Stadjer said:
It is kind of weird/funny that it should be allowed that the owner is being called a whoreson because it is in a football stadium.

If you do it anywhere else the police would come over to atleast talk to you but because it is in a football stadium it should be ignored and the players should keep playing football :lol:
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Should we also ban football players who call the referee a “fecking joke” when they disagree with their decision on the pitch?

Actually interrupting a game because of an insult like this is ridiculous. Why not stop it because a steward heard an away fan cursing a home fan? Why is the owner the only untouchable one?

Do you see the slippery slope here?
 
At least we can still rely on Schalke to deliver amidst all this madness.
 
It was a really great match from the Bayern team and a group of so called fans nearly destroyed it.

I do not understand anybody that speaks in favour of them.

(and it does not make this actions better if you argue with inactivity of the DFB before!)
 
Ooh, look a poor billionaire had his feelings insulted by a banner. Those nasty, nasty people are so baad.
 
Wouldn't stop the game for that. But then again, don't get the opposing fans either. Times change and football changes, get on with it. Football is only going into one direction, the Bundesliga as well. Plenty of things aren't like they used to be. Some for the good and some for the worse. Directing your anger towards a single guy is a bit misplaced.
 
People invoking freedom of speech :lol:

I don't think that's the way to deal with things, as @PedroMendez pointed and people have already reported, it will start recurrently now. Curious what will happen now. If they decided to go with it once, they should probably follow the suit for any insulting/-phobic/-ist banners, chants, etc. Matches would be stopped every 2-3 minutes though I guess.
 
feck me.. Couldnt they just ignore it.. Players/managers get called a lot worse in the premier league.. A banner is hardly the end of the world..
 
How error prone has Nübel been since announcing for Bayern. At this rate they'll "dump" him before his first training session.
 
How embarrassingly pathetic ruining a game because a billionaire owner was hurt by a banner about him. Ridiculous. Then parading him around afterwards like he’s some wounded war hero.

Where will it end? A bad word said from the crowd to the ref & then teams will pass it around to themselves for 20 mins?

The game has gone I’m afraid. Fake outrage over nothing that warrants it
 
do.ob said:
How error prone has Nübel been since announcing for Bayern. At this rate they'll "dump" him before his first training session.
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Yeah, but he's not alone in this team - Harit was one of the best players in the league some time earlier this season, but since he got a new contract it has all gone down the drain.
 
Can anyone German confirm the translation?

My reading is 'Hopp is always a rentboy/a rentboy forever'.

What does 'Hurensohn' mean in context though?
 
SweetRightFoot said:
Can anyone German confirm the translation?

My reading is 'Hopp is always a rentboy/a rentboy forever'.

What does 'Hurensohn' mean in context though?
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Alle beim Alten: Same old, same old
Der DFB bricht sein Wort: The DFB is breaking their word/promise.
Hopp bleibt ein Hurensohn: Hopp stays a son of a bitch.

Hurensohn means a son of a bitch. Hure means a prostitute/whore and Sohn means son.
 
What a snowflakes in Germany. First of all, Bayern fans are spolied as it gets. I thought that some other clubs have spoiled fans but they are at top. So other club have private owner and lets abuse him? Wtf?
And second; stopping a game because of that? Players giving support on the pitch? :lol:
What a bunch of crybabies all around. From fans to refs to players.

Is German league pro league or league for 10y old kids? Ridiculous stuff
 
All that fuss over a fairly basic insult. Get a fecking grip.
 
I read this story and thought this must have been something totally horrific and inappropriate if Bayern players had to stop the game and beg their fans to stop, like allegations of paedophila, murder or something racist.

But it was basically a bunch of people calling a club owner a son of a bitch? :lol:
 
The fans will need to protest or make a point in a more clever way judging by the quotes here.

German football league chief executive Christian Seifert: "The continuous animosity towards Dietmar Hopp has been unacceptable for some time and must be condemned in the strongest possible terms. There are no excuses.

"Everyone involved - players, officials, Hoffenheim and Bayern board members and the majority of the people in the stadium - reacted to this situation in an exemplary manner and sent out a clear statement that this sort of thing will no longer be tolerated. This type of hatred can have no place in football. That has to be the aspiration of German football as a whole."

Bayern chief executive Karl-Heinz Rummenigge: "I'm deeply embarrassed, particularly for Dietmar Hopp. Football reared its ugly head. The moment has come for the whole of German football to stand together. For too long we've turned a blind eye to what's been going on in the stands.

"After what happened today we need to rethink things and we need to fight it with everything we have. We filmed everything and will come down heavily on our fans and bring them to justice. These people have no place in football stadiums."

Hoffenheim manager Alfred Schreuder: "Everyone's incredibly disappointed with what happened. Dietmar Hopp has done so much for the region and for us. We're sad and we feel very sorry for him. The behaviour of the two teams was very good. It's embarrassing when something like that happens. We're not talking about thousands of fans, just a couple. What Dietmar Hopp has done with his career is special. Nobody deserves that."

Hoffenheim captain Benjamin Hubner: "I think the referee reacted correctly. He stopped the game initially before taking us into the changing room. I hope we made a statement today. That's what football should do - it connects people. I think it was a historic game. We should all build on that."
 
do.ob said:
It's so disgusting. Watch Hoffenheim's fans use "hurensohn" against Werner and Dortmund the next time they meet. All those morally outstanding people who cried crocodile tears today won't utter a word about it.
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Sorry I am a bit behind, what did Werner do?
 
Zehner said:
Yeah, clubs like Hoffenheim and Leipzig are killing the game. What bullshit. They've done more good for German football than many of the so called traditional clubs. Thing is, the ultras and co think just because a club has been there from the start it has some kind of right to remain there forever, even if you're doing a shitty job.

And even if those clubs did kill the game, Hopp has done more good to the society than all of those assholes combined.
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Agree with this. What have the traditional clubs like Stuttgart Hamburg done for the league besides being total embarrassments.

Leipzig and Hoffenheim are showing how to run a football club and they are not doing like City or PSG either. They invest in talented youths and develop the game in regions that have been ignored for long
 
3KDré said:
Sorry I am a bit behind, what did Werner do?
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A couple of rather blatant dives when he was still a very young player and unfortunate interviews to explain those dives.

By now it has sort of taken on its own life to chant that he is a Hurensohn/son of a whore.

But it kind of seems more good natured, similar to WWE fans chanting you suck at Kurt Angle, if that makes any sense.

Also - just the wrong strategy from Hopp and the DFB to make the chants go away.
Ignoring drunk - and hopefully just silly - guys being stupid and shouting abuse is a far better strategy to get them to stop, than to react to it in a big way.
Now a lot of hardcore fans will even see themselves as martyrs for freedom of speech, as if they were fighting some authoritarian state by insulting the rich owner of a football club while they are shitface drunk.
 
kaiser1 said:
Agree with this. What have the traditional clubs like Stuttgart Hamburg done for the league besides being total embarrassments.

Leipzig and Hoffenheim are showing how to run a football club and they are not doing like City or PSG either. They invest in talented youths and develop the game in regions that have been ignored for long
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What have Hoffenheim and Leipzig done for the league? Bundesliga's pitch is authentic football with big and enthusiastic crowds, e.g. Frankfurt showing up with 20k fans abroad, plastic clubs go completely against that.
And this isn't about Hamburg and Stuttgart in particular, that's a fat straw man, those two got themselves relegated with bad management, they got what they deserved, no one is arguing that rules should be bent for them.

How are they even showing how to run a football club? Should Bayern expel all its members bar 13 and run a network of feeder clubs? Perhaps FC Bayern Qatar is Rummenigge's next step in his ambition to improve human rights in the region? Wouldn't it be great if traditional rich European football clubs take a page out of Leipzig's book and start colonizing the Americas, Asia and Africa?

How is Hopp pumping €400m into a village club different from City's people pumping €2bn into an established PL club? It's just a smaller scale.

How is buying entire youth teams from other club great for the region? How is Hoffenheim's great youth work paying off when the only notable player that came through their academy is Süle, who played for both Frankfurt and Darmstadt before they signed him?

How is Hoffenheim's region one that has been ignored for to long when Stuttgart is 60km away and Karlsruhe even less? Hopefully some kind and benevolent billionaire will open up a club in Bad Wiessee to help the football starved region around Munich? RB doesn't give two shits about Eastern Germany, they tried to buy in at St. Pauli, 1860 Munich and Düsseldorf, before eventually picking Leipzig.
 
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Was there a lot of outcry for Hoffenheim when they were herbstmeister in their first season in Bundesliga?
 
GifLord said:
Was there a lot of outcry for Hoffenheim when they were herbstmeister in their first season in Bundesliga?
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There have been protest about Hoffenheim and Leipzig ever since their projects started, with some escalations such as a "lone wolf janitor" using (counter-)sound attacks against chants [https://www.dw.com/en/hoffenheim-employee-investigated-for-acoustic-attack-on-rival-fans/a-15318934] and fans crossing into (what could easily be seen as) threats of violence [https://www.dw.com/en/when-chants-b...nd-fans-fined-for-defamatory-songs/a-49010074]. But they actually died down a lot over time, until DFB decided to reintroduce collective punishment (which has always been the biggest point of conflict between them and organized fans and was promised to be abolished (due to its unfair nature) some years ago) and now they managed to unite the organized fans of Bayern, Schalke, Dortmund, Gladbach, Cologne (and who knows which other groups will do something in the future), who now use attacks on Hopp as a protest against DFB's behaviour.
 
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redshaw said:
The fans will need to protest or make a point in a more clever way judging by the quotes here.

German football league chief executive Christian Seifert: "The continuous animosity towards Dietmar Hopp has been unacceptable for some time and must be condemned in the strongest possible terms. There are no excuses.

"Everyone involved - players, officials, Hoffenheim and Bayern board members and the majority of the people in the stadium - reacted to this situation in an exemplary manner and sent out a clear statement that this sort of thing will no longer be tolerated. This type of hatred can have no place in football. That has to be the aspiration of German football as a whole."

Bayern chief executive Karl-Heinz Rummenigge: "I'm deeply embarrassed, particularly for Dietmar Hopp. Football reared its ugly head. The moment has come for the whole of German football to stand together. For too long we've turned a blind eye to what's been going on in the stands.

"After what happened today we need to rethink things and we need to fight it with everything we have. We filmed everything and will come down heavily on our fans and bring them to justice. These people have no place in football stadiums."

Hoffenheim manager Alfred Schreuder: "Everyone's incredibly disappointed with what happened. Dietmar Hopp has done so much for the region and for us. We're sad and we feel very sorry for him. The behaviour of the two teams was very good. It's embarrassing when something like that happens. We're not talking about thousands of fans, just a couple. What Dietmar Hopp has done with his career is special. Nobody deserves that."

Hoffenheim captain Benjamin Hubner: "I think the referee reacted correctly. He stopped the game initially before taking us into the changing room. I hope we made a statement today. That's what football should do - it connects people. I think it was a historic game. We should all build on that."
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Amazing though if a black player is abused the attitude is that he should carry on with the game. But a billionaire being called a son of a bitch means a game should be delayed whilst ex players, managers plead with their fans to stop the abuse.
 
do.ob said:
What have Hoffenheim and Leipzig done for the league? Bundesliga's pitch is authentic football with big and enthusiastic crowds, e.g. Frankfurt showing up with 20k fans abroad, plastic clubs go completely against that.
And this isn't about Hamburg and Stuttgart in particular, that's a fat straw man, those two got themselves relegated with bad management, they got what they deserved, no one is arguing that rules should be bent for them.

How are they even showing how to run a football club? Should Bayern expel all its members bar 13 and run a network of feeder clubs? Perhaps FC Bayern Qatar is Rummenigge's next step in his ambition to improve human rights in the region? Wouldn't it be great if traditional rich European football clubs take a page out of Leipzig's book and start colonizing the Americas, Asia and Africa?

How is Hopp pumping €400m into a village club different from City's people pumping €2bn into an established PL club? It's just a smaller scale.

How is buying entire youth teams from other club great for the region? How is Hoffenheim's great youth work paying off when the only notable player that came through their academy is Süle, who played for both Frankfurt and Darmstadt before they signed him?

How is Hoffenheim's region one that has been ignored for to long when Stuttgart is 60km away and Karlsruhe even less? Hopefully some kind and benevolent billionaire will open up a club in Bad Wiessee to help the football starved region around Munich? RB doesn't give two shits about Eastern Germany, they tried to buy in at St. Pauli, 1860 Munich and Düsseldorf, before eventually picking Leipzig.
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Why do German fans not have issue with Bayer Leverkusen and Wolfsburg owned by two very rich organisations?

Why are Germans not unhappy with Bayern constantly poaching the best players from other German clubs to maintain their dominance of the league?

Surely those two things are more of a threat to German football than Leipzig and Hoffenheim? Both clubs are hardly spending a fortune.
 
I agree that it's a bit strange that they only stop games in this particular instance. Don't know what him being a billionaire has to do with anything though. Why is it even brought up how much money he has?
 
Eendracht maakt macht said:
I agree that it's a bit strange that they only stop games in this particular instance. Don't know what him being a billionaire has to do with anything though. Why is it even brought up how much money he has?
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Because the game doesn’t stop & become a farce when a ref gets called bad words, or a player does, or a manager from the stands.

But when a banner calls a billionaire owner something bad? Oh wow game has to stop & we all need to sing com by ya in the middle of the pitch. It’s pathetic & the worst part is they think they’re really doing something noble. Get a grip
 
Josep Dowling said:
Why do German fans not have issue with Bayer Leverkusen and Wolfsburg owned by two very rich organisations?

Why are Germans not unhappy with Bayern constantly poaching the best players from other German clubs to maintain their dominance of the league?

Surely those two things are more of a threat to German football than Leipzig and Hoffenheim? Both clubs are hardly spending a fortune.
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Leverkusen and Wolfsburg are historically actual factory (worker's) teams from Bayer and VW, they have been around since before professional football was a thing and perhaps more importantly they were in place before the 50+1 rule was introduced, which is why the rule contain's an exception clause that allows the takeover of a club if a person or a company has been very substantially and without interruption been committed to it for over 20 years. That doesn't mean that Leverkusen and Wolfsburg are free of criticism though, there have been calls to do away with their special status and the 50+1 exception clause, but since Hoffenheim and Leipzig are far more recent examples they get far more attention at the moment.

Who said Bundesliga fans aren't unhappy with Bayern's dominance? But that's a different topic entirely - I'm sure you see the difference between a club building a dynasty and a billionaire/company buying their way to the top?
 
Josep Dowling said:
Why do German fans not have issue with Bayer Leverkusen and Wolfsburg owned by two very rich organisations?

Why are Germans not unhappy with Bayern constantly poaching the best players from other German clubs to maintain their dominance of the league?

Surely those two things are more of a threat to German football than Leipzig and Hoffenheim? Both clubs are hardly spending a fortune.
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Its not about money but football culture. Its probably the last (prolonged) fight of these fans to uphold their fan culture against an ever continuing erosion of it by the league and many club bosses/functionary/officials/investors. This probably doesn't bother most people who watch football primarily on TV or occasionally from a nice seat/VIP-box (like me). Yet I certainly don't expect those fans just to lie down and wait to get replaced. Pushing these fans out has an impact on atmosphere and stadium culture (for the better and the worse) and football clubs.

Hoffenheim is more or less an empty shell. Its like creating a new franchise (Inter Miami) in US leagues, but that goes against anything these fans want football to be. There are rules that are specifically created to prevent that, but the league bend over backwards to allow it anyway. The league functionaries prefer nice clubs like Hoffenheim (with a rich investor) over more difficult clubs with fans, that don't just clap slowly for 15 seconds after a goal. Yet for fans 50+1 is one of the most important rules, that ensures that they can keep some of their influence. Hoffenheim and Leipzig are two blue prints for a different model; one where fans have no say and are not needed. For these clubs stadium going fans are decoration and not an important part of the club.

Hamburg, Kaiserslautern, Stuttgart, 1860, and many other traditional clubs deserve to be where they are yet they still have an active fan scene in and around the club thats very different from what Hoffenheim has.
 
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This is beyond bizarre. Wonder why these cnuts don't take a stand when players are subject to racist insults? Play on is the message then but feckers stop playing and do all this nonsense because a section of fans call an owner a son of a bitch? feck off
 
Eendracht maakt macht said:
I agree that it's a bit strange that they only stop games in this particular instance. Don't know what him being a billionaire has to do with anything though. Why is it even brought up how much money he has?
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That's what I said in the first part of my post. Strange that they only do it in this case. There isnt any evidence that they do it because he is a billionaire though is there?

Edit: i'm even quoting myself that's how massively outraged I am!
 
Andycoleno9 said:
What a snowflakes in Germany. First of all, Bayern fans are spolied as it gets. I thought that some other clubs have spoiled fans but they are at top. So other club have private owner and lets abuse him? Wtf?
And second; stopping a game because of that? Players giving support on the pitch? :lol:
What a bunch of crybabies all around. From fans to refs to players.

Is German league pro league or league for 10y old kids? Ridiculous stuff
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Completely agree. Some would argue its a microcosm of Germany's ultra-sensitive culture.

An offensive banner in the stands is the job for the stewards to take down. Not letting the message get shown is a job for the TV cameramen. Any punishment for the offending fans is a retrospective job for the German FA. Stopping the game because a controversial figure being called a mean name (not racist, sexist, homophobic) is pathetic. Reeks of top down institutional pressure to forceably change the opinions of the fans. Proper nanny state stuff. All they've done is bring wider, global, attention to the issue and they're obviously too short sighted to realise a lot of football fans around the world might not like the way this farce has played out. Should we stop games every time there's a nasty chant? Every time someone criticizes a chairman? Everytime the crowd boos a player?
 
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