Does anyone think the PL bubble is going to burst? The TV companies are bidding higher and higher and you wonder how long it will be before one of them goes bust when fans have had enough of it.
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Or you could just stream them online for free. Not that I'd encourage such outrageous behaviour, obviously.
Nah. If that happens then the clubs will have the fall back option of selling individual rights. Not ideal but something of a fail-safe for the top clubs at least.
I might indulge, but pictures not always great.
That's what the Glazers have been hoping for and a few others. BT inadvertently might bring that about.
if one channel monopolized like that then they could charge whatever they wanted and we'd have to pay. Thats not good idea. If BT get serious then there's a chance it can lower the prices due to competition in the long run
Agreed, but it'll feck most of the teams and we'll end up like the bloody Spanish league.
Since the TV rights have been split up consumers have paid more. Can't see it going the other way.
True.
BT's business plan is completely different to that of ESPN's and Setanta -- they aren't in it to make a profit. They just want to keep their market share -- the real business for them is broadband and telecommuncations as ever. Sky got greedy and entered the market, so no surprises BT retaliated.
The consumers are the biggest losers, but they have been since the PL sold its rights to Sky. If people don't like it, they should stream or just get a foreign satellite decoder.
That basically happened a few years back with the football league. I think it was OnDigital? They pledged x amount of money to the clubs, didn't get enough subscriptions to cover the cost and ended up going bust. A lot of the clubs had already spent the money they were expecting and hit quite a bit of financial difficulties when the cash didn't arrive.
True, but you wonder if they are going to hike their prices up for their broadband users to pay for the CL package. Consumers will not be happy if they don't like sport and have to pay more for their phone and internet use because of it.
They could pay for the CL rights with the change they've kept from my use of BT phoneboxes over the years.
*moans a lot*
*moans a lot*
Exactly. What didn't help was their viewing cards were easily hackable. Sky supposedly exploited that.
But they don't live in Victorian Wales, chief.
BT could feck everybody by securing shit loads of football, then deliberately slowing down the broadband when Football matches are on. All the streamers would be bolloxed!
Fixed....
Except they deliver their own content by broadband....
That's not very likely. As a % of revenue the combined cost of BT's current PL deal plus the cost of their 2015 onwards deal with European matches, combined per year makes up just 3%.
They could probably get round that by doing something with their set-top box thingy.
Don't ruin my poorly considered drop-of-the-hat conspiracy theories.
Bill, as much as it pains me to say this...You just got owned by Phurry.
Hang your head in shame.
I think it'll exceed £2bn. If BT mean business, they would bid how much the PL want to obtain rights. Sky could easily do the same, and more. Plus, they wouldn't want to lose the Sunday packages they currently obtain. Basically, the PL would be rubbing their hands in glee.
Prices will increase, and sooner or later subscribers will fall out of love with the game because it is so inclusive, or just refuse to pay silly money. When my family first subscribed to Sky Sports in the 90s, it cost us £14 p/m. It's probably triple, if not quad that now.
My biggest concern is clubs will, if not already are, at the mercy of these companies. They have no say about schedules.
If BT hadn't slowed-down Bill's brainband, he would've realised that his theory was nuts.
Well that lasted
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/nov/10/uefa-cash-windfall-tv-game-two-halves-football
Also from that
Surely the gap between the have and have-nots has been shrinking? The BT Sport Champions League deal is still several years away, whereas the Premier League has received a big boost quite recently, and more money is flooding in from abroad (which is shared equally) all the time. Meanwhile FFP is at least floating the idea of not spending a billion pounds a season in front of Chelsea and City, even if it in turn restricts the rest of the Premier League. But the rest of the Premier League are already restricted as they don't have sugar daddy owners showering them with riches (which the article doesnt mention).
What the deal really does is re-widen the gap.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/nov/10/uefa-cash-windfall-tv-game-two-halves-football
Also from that
Surely the gap between the have and have-nots has been shrinking? The BT Sport Champions League deal is still several years away, whereas the Premier League has received a big boost quite recently, and more money is flooding in from abroad (which is shared equally) all the time. Meanwhile FFP is at least floating the idea of not spending a billion pounds a season in front of Chelsea and City, even if it in turn restricts the rest of the Premier League. But the rest of the Premier League are already restricted as they don't have sugar daddy owners showering them with riches (which the article doesnt mention).
What the deal really does is re-widen the gap.
I imagine this has already been covered, but when Sky lose their massive rights to the CL games, surely they'll be forced into doing something to up their game? I think they'll reduce their price massively or try and get more games [back]. They can't keep charging current prices and making £50/month/customer after losing CL.
Won't this be a good thing? My folks are with Virgin whilst getting SS, so BT Sport is part of the package; theoretically their bill will drop when Sky drops the price of their package, whilst BT Sport would hopefully still be free.
Won't this be a good thing? My folks are with Virgin whilst getting SS, so BT Sport is part of the package; theoretically their bill will drop when Sky drops the price of their package, whilst BT Sport would hopefully still be free.
Theoretically, I think this will happen. BT Sport raise their prices (at least from "free") Sky Sports lower theirs, and we have a proper duopoly. If we could get another broadcaster in there, hopefully we will see some actual competition. In practice though, they'll probably use the duoploy to both raise prices and get loads of money.
Was bound to happen.
Of course the CL clubs should get the money from the CL rights. Why the feck should Liverpool get paid for United's hard work?
Is that in reply to me?
In response to your post, but not really contradicting anything you said. Just adding my tuppence.
Is the correct answer.
Presumably the same reason Crystal Palace get paid a similar figure to United in the Premier League, despite the former not contributing to the TV deal: to keep everyone competitive.
There has never been a question on teams other than the Champions League participants taking Champions League money... which was why I thought it bit weird it being brought up. But just for clarification...
The other Premier League teams DO receive European money, it's just a minuscule amount. It's probably important for non-European teams in other leagues but in the Premier League its a few hundred grand per season and so a drop in the ocean. As for the why? The Premier League including the minnows agree not to play televised matches on European nights (even though they have ignored this in the past upon occasion). If they could play on those nights, they'd get a fair bit more money, potentially. Just look how lucrative MNF is. So in solidarity, UEFA pay the non CL and non EL teams a few hundred grand.
The other Premier League teams DO receive European money, it's just a minuscule amount. It's probably important for non-European teams in other leagues but in the Premier League its a few hundred grand per season and so a drop in the ocean. As for the why? The Premier League including the minnows agree not to play televised matches on European nights (even though they have ignored this in the past upon occasion). If they could play on those nights, they'd get a fair bit more money, potentially. Just look how lucrative MNF is. So in solidarity, UEFA pay the non CL and non EL teams a few hundred grand.
Off course they contribute to the premier league TV deal. They compete in it and play the same amount of games as United and the rest. That's a stupid argument tbh.
I'd be interested in seeing what this new deal will do for the finances of the Europa league - it's notoriously less financially attractive than its big brother, but will this deal give the English sides a reason to take the competition more seriously than in the past?
The increase for English teams in the Champions League I'm not sure will make all that much difference as money is meaningless to City and Chelsea, though Arsenal obviously would feel the benefit of added income, as would the winners of the fourth spot (assuming another sugar daddy doesn't enter the picture and create a third City/Chelsea in the league).
The increase for English teams in the Champions League I'm not sure will make all that much difference as money is meaningless to City and Chelsea, though Arsenal obviously would feel the benefit of added income, as would the winners of the fourth spot (assuming another sugar daddy doesn't enter the picture and create a third City/Chelsea in the league).
2p's or 10p's , Steve ?
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