Depay is a good player. United have been shite so it's not fully his fault.
Bruno Fernandes | United not interested due to doubts over passing ability
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No it's his own fault he was so pathetic in the premier league. Martial in the same team was brilliant, while the Dutchman was dominated by nearly every fullback he faced. Piss poor.
So you only have 2 players to quote and one being termed as very inconsistent. I already posted my thoughts on Ronaldo.
He was still young and players develop at different rates. He was played as a winger where now we know it is not his best position. He would do better up front then any player United have right now.
Rashford is bang average but he still gets a lot of praise on here.
I'm sorry, I must've missed Martial being brilliant. He's scored a few goals with decent finishes but has been far from brilliant. I'd swap Martial to get Depay back any day of the week. I assume I'm in the minority here but meh.
Lets talk about actual facts rather than hypothetical cases. How many attacking players can you name from portugese league to who jumped to epl and proved as a good signing ?
Make no mistake, i am okay with this signing but at a reasonable price. If the quoted prices of 70m are true, we are being robbed.
We are absolute morons if we pay 70-80m euros for this guy.
Was it him with the x-rated challenge or was it another Fernandes? The angle I was able to view suggested the player got away with a criminal tackle.
I agree with you. Depay was given no time when you see the other average players who were given so many chances. Rashford, Lingard, and even Martial who I dont hate was given a lot more chances. Depay would do a much better up top then anyone United have currently.
Haven't we been scouting this guy all season? Seems stupid to be judging him from one international match. Not that I'm calling everyone stupid. £70M does seem excessive but the going rate for average Premier League players is £50m these days.
Rashford and Martial are miles better than Depay. If you actually remember how bad depay was, it was almost embarrassing watching him trying to beat his full back.
Some people on here have a strong dislike for Rashford for some weird reason. I genuinely think it’s people abroad who think we have a bias towards Rashford because he’s from Manchester. which maybe be true but why is that a bad thing that we support home grown talent more? Home grown players are what this clubs all about. The amount of hate he gets is mad to me.
Some people on here have a strong dislike for Rashford for some weird reason. I genuinely think it’s people abroad who think we have a bias towards Rashford because he’s from Manchester. which maybe be true but why is that a bad thing that we support home grown talent more? Home grown players are what this clubs all about. The amount of hate he gets is mad to me.
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Depay was criticised mostly for his lack of defending rather than anything else, seems ridiculous. Players with his ability should be concentrating on their attacking game and letting the opposition worry about them. It's like dropping Kanchelskis, Nani or Ronaldo for not tracking back.
Eh people only care about the last match. This site has hilariously short memories and people put way too much stock into their own short sighted opinion.
I stand to make £500 if we finalise this one.
Put a bet on when he was supposedly nailed on for City, a report came out denying they were in for him so I thought I'd lump on us before the odds changed.
Put a bet on when he was supposedly nailed on for City, a report came out denying they were in for him so I thought I'd lump on us before the odds changed.
Yeah it seems you did miss a whole season of ours.
Depay wasn't criticised for his lack of defending. He was criticised for being inept.
Anyone with a pair of working eyes could see that Depay was one of our worst players. The likes of Martial got more chances because they were miles better.
Rashford too outperformed the terrible Depay for us. Being the big boy in a lesser league won't change that.
I have no issue with players developing at a different pace. Maybe Depay will slowly but surely develop into a top class player (don't see it). But for Manchester United he was hopeless and it's his own fault when others were able to put in respectable showings depsite the collective issues.
The initial point was that you can't merely draw on stats for players plying their trade in relatively weaker leagues. Of course great footballers can't exist anywhere and you can disregard their efforts elsewhere. But stats shouldn't be the foundation of such an analysis.
United suck though so obviously he was in crap conditions to even perform well first season in a new country. He was played out of position on the wing. Now we know he is not good enough to be on the wing but he can for sure play up top.
If United have space for Newcastle level players in Rashford and Lingard then they can give Depay a real chance.
Once again the environment and setting did not help. Young player figuring out his position did not help. He is more mature now. Not saying he is a world class player maybe he could be one day but he is good.
Depay was never played in his best position. Martial is still better overall but we never helped Depay or allowed to him play in his strength. He's the main man in Holland because they have played in his strength.
Depay was one of the worst player to play for us post SAF. Rashford, Martial showed much more than him, fecking hell even Lingard showed much more than Depay. He looked like Fish out of water and hard to see a more clueless player for ManUtd.
I agree but like I said players develop at different rates new country new league he did not know his real position yet all those things factor in.
He has matured since then. Can see him being a good player for Spurs.
fecking hell
If Rashford is Newcastle level player then Depay was lower league player when playing for us.
No we won't need to give mediocre players a real chance. Memphis got his chance and shat it. And it's rich for you to call us crap despite us winning a the europa league in our poorer years.
It's fairly simple logic that you seem unable to grasp. Players levels can dip when part of a team that is disjoint. But there's no excuse for performances like Sanchez or Memphis. When others are running rings around you, you have take it on the chin as you weren't good enough. There's a limit to mitigating factors after all.
Exactly. Rashford has been miles better than frickin Depay for us. I bet Daniel James from the championship does better for us toofecking hell
If Rashford is Newcastle level player then Depay was lower league player when playing for us.
Was more so towards Lingard but Rashford is at a Everton Level no higher than that.fecking hell
If Rashford is Newcastle level player then Depay was lower league player when playing for us.
At the time I agree with all of that. But can players not develop and improve over time especially as they gain more experience? He does not look the same player that played for United. He could be a good option *Not the star.
Also becuase he's in a much weaker league. Martial was arguably also played out of position as has Rashford for much of his United career. They don't excused for being utterly made to look like a novice by every defender.
I have no hard feelings for Memphis. He tried his best and didn't complain. But people are requiring the script regarding his performances for us.
James doesn't even have to try hard to play better than Depay for us.
Depay isn't a player good enough for a top club aspiring for big trophies that's apparent enough
Keep in mind I am talking about Depay now and not his performances at the time.
Squad player at United but could be a starter at Spurs.
That isn't really relevant to my point which was about how good statistics didn't translate from a weaker league to a top league for Memphis Depay.
Or Liverpool.
Which season? Are you sure it wasn't a career you had on Fifa once? I'm sure in 10 years all United fans will look back in awe at Martials brilliant non-existent season.
He was young and it was a much weaker league then the French and especially the EPL though.
Just quoting the stats from portugese league to compare where he stand.
2018 - 2019
Goals:
Seferovic - 23
Bruno - 20
Rafa - 17
Assists:
Pizzi - 18
Grimaldo- 11
Bruno - 11
2017 - 2018
Goals:
Jonas - 34
Dost - 27
Marega - 22
Assists:
Telles 10
Esgiao 6
2016 - 2017
Goals:
Dost 34
Soares 19
Silva A 16
Assists:
Pizzi 8
Gelson Martins 8
Goals:
Jonas 32
Slimani 27
Mitrogolu 19
2014 - 2015
Jackson Martinez 21
Jonas 20
Lima 19
Some key indicators there. Players who has scored more than him and has played in other leagues -
forwards - Jackson Martinez, Slimani, Dost
Goals and assists are probably not the best way to judge him. He is not really tearing up Portugese league either.
Hope we stay away from him. Also think this City link is fake. Just trying to make us pay more money.
2018 - 2019
Goals:
Seferovic - 23
Bruno - 20
Rafa - 17
Assists:
Pizzi - 18
Grimaldo- 11
Bruno - 11
2017 - 2018
Goals:
Jonas - 34
Dost - 27
Marega - 22
Assists:
Telles 10
Esgiao 6
2016 - 2017
Goals:
Dost 34
Soares 19
Silva A 16
Assists:
Pizzi 8
Gelson Martins 8
Goals:
Jonas 32
Slimani 27
Mitrogolu 19
2014 - 2015
Jackson Martinez 21
Jonas 20
Lima 19
Some key indicators there. Players who has scored more than him and has played in other leagues -
forwards - Jackson Martinez, Slimani, Dost
Goals and assists are probably not the best way to judge him. He is not really tearing up Portugese league either.
Hope we stay away from him. Also think this City link is fake. Just trying to make us pay more money.
Is it that much weak? Some best players in PL came from it. He wasn't blameless but it's clear he wasn't given same chances afforded to other players after summer esp and got dumped by Mourinho. He even got humiliated by getting put in reserve match. Lingard and Rashford should have had 10 reserve match this year then!
I actually need to tell you which season? Yes I'm sure most fans are mentally capable of looking back at a season and using their brain to figure out that Martial was miles better than Memphis in the former' first season with the club. Obviously not all United fans given some have a hard time keeping up.
You're comparing a midfielders scoring to a striker.....He is a midfielder who can happen toe bang goals in.
17 goals and 16 assists
33 goals and 16 assists in 2 seasons is tearing the league up.
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