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Bruno Fernandes | United not interested due to doubts over passing ability
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He's not leaving after our window closes, especially without us having replacements signed. It's simply not happening.
We aren’t letting Pogba go without a replacement. Bruno and Dybala do not play in the same place. We could easily play with a midfield of McTom Pogba and Bruno.
If we get Maguire (£80m), Dybala (swap) and Fernandes (£70m) we would still have 'only' spent £215m this summer. Given last year's pitiful effort and the fact we have shifted Herrera, Fellaini and Valencia from the wage bull I would say that's about par
Anyway, highly doubt it will happen...would be a hell of a lot more optimistic for next season if it did though!
Anyway, highly doubt it will happen...would be a hell of a lot more optimistic for next season if it did though!
I think that'd be a disaster if I'm honest man. Relying on McT to spread passes? I know he's shown some promise but he's not exactly a playmaker. Matic is just completely shot at nowadays, I've given up on him. Also, where is Pogba? He's not going anywhere!
If and I mean it's a big If we land our supposed targets:
DDG
AWB-Lindelof-Maguire-Shaw
Bruno-McT-Pogba
Dybala (False 9)
Rashford Martial (Wide Forwards)
I don't like these fantasy line up posts but may as well go full muppet in the transfer forum
I think that'd be a disaster if I'm honest man. Relying on McT to spread passes? I know he's shown some promise but he's not exactly a playmaker. Matic is just completely shot at nowadays, I've given up on him. Also, where is Pogba? He's not going anywhere!
If and I mean it's a big If we land our supposed targets:
DDG
AWB-Lindelof-Maguire-Shaw
Bruno-McT-Pogba
Dybala (False 9)
Rashford Martial (Wide Forwards)
I don't like these fantasy line up posts but may as well go full muppet in the transfer forum
As far as fantasy line-ups go, the one you posted is the conventional and accepted one at the moment. Mine is more freaky-deaky.
As far as fantasy line-ups go, the one you posted is the conventional and accepted one at the moment. Mine is more freaky-deaky.
if were gonna go all line up crazy, you may as well keep pogs in it. i doubt we sell him this summer
How come english press still insisting that Utd are not interested in Fernandes,kind of a weird saga...
if we get Dybala, i think we end our pursuit of Bruno.
English press knows feck all and have been for a while.
Because that's what the club tell them directly - but we say that about every player.
Simon Stone in particular is a "NOPE, NO WAY, NOT INTERESTED" and then suddenly they sign and he acts surprised.
Me too, think he was a target but now we could get Dybala in exchange for Rom will mean we will end our pursuit
Have we actually got any UK journo at all who even gives us a prayer of signing Bruno
There is no logical reason for this deal to hinge on Pogba staying, the squad could benefit greatly from both and as I've said before if we set up right tactically, they can both easily play in the same formation.
If anything he appears to be disappointed with how Juve has treated him but with how he's spoken about us in the past, makes me believe he'll relish playing for united.
Okay I’ve watched Bruno in his pre-season games. I still don’t get how he’s an attacking midfielder. He’s just all over the place. I don’t see how he would get in Dybala’s way. He seems a perfect replacement for Herrera. Now nobody would say Dybala would block Herrera would they.
Pretty much this, I think people are seeing his goal record and assuming he is a no10, he isn't although he has played there, but he played more as an 8
Simon Peach the only one i can remember. Back in june he said we liked him
Just money and if the glazers will sanction more of it to be spent. That and us having a packed midfield with younsters seeking to get chances.
2 for every position and maybe a youngster is normal.
DM - Matic, Garner
DM/CM - McTom, Fred
CM - Pogba, Pereira
AM - (Dybala and or Fernandes), Lingard, Mata, Gomes
Now you could class Mata and Lingard as also RW, and Dybala would also rotate in that, but we still look a touch heavy on numbers if we add Dybala and Fernandes, but loans for Garner and Gomes wouldn't be terrible ideas. Although Garner is probably the most natural DM after Matic, but Fred and McTom should be adequate for now.
I’m going to assume the people actively involved in negotiations with Maguire/Dybala are the ones who are sources for the British press, whereas although Woodward etc. Obviously are aware of the Fernandes transfer the ones doing the nitty gritty aren’t the ones in talks with our press.
Then Portuguese press are hearing everything from Sporting’s side.
Or it could just be a case of that for once Woodward hasn’t briefed the UK press on Bruno for whatever reason
4-2-2-2 all the way.
———-De Gea———-
AWB—VL—HM—Shaw
——Pogba-McT———
—Dybala—Bruno—
—-Martial-Rashford—
———-De Gea———-
AWB—VL—HM—Shaw
——Pogba-McT———
—Dybala—Bruno—
—-Martial-Rashford—
Nope, Dybala has to play as a false 9 really if he's playing with Bruno and Pogba in the same line up.
1st of all sorry for the late answer. only 3 msg by day.
Well, he is a fantastic player. Although he's thin aspect, he never stops running either for pressure or helping in the back. He's a baller. Good passing.
In my opinion his best quality is he's shooting technique. He does not only strike hard. He has a great technique like Marcus or CR.
Great signing if it happens, but never for more than 50ME.
Why?
a) Scp is in a urge of getting money
b) Scp is not competing in the higher levels in europe (0 proof)
c) His quality is maybe being enhanced because of the poor quality of the rest of the squad
Happened the same with William Carvalho, Patricio, Gelson, Veloso etc etc
They are good players but they're not in a great team.
If Bruno was at Benfica I bet we would sell for 100ME or near.
Why's that? Proof of quality of a brand.
Joao Cancelo
Lindelof
Nelson Semedo
Ruben Dias
Ferro
Oblak
Ederson
Renato
Guedes
Bernardo Silva
Felix
Florentino
Gedson
...and many more coming
Sporting had it, years ago with the ones like Ronaldo, Quaresma, Simão etc..
But they could never compete regurarly for the 1ª Liga PT...
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If we are close to signing him, seems an odd decision to let him play in a competitive match against a fierce rival before a £60m odd move is about to materialise.
215m net spent would be the highest net spent ever in the history of a football, I think. And while we would save 300k/week from those 3 players, that money would go to the new contracts of Rashford and De Gea. Additionally, Dybala, Maguire, Fernandez, AWB and James won't play for free. If we assume a conservative 250k/week for Dybala, 150k/week for Maguire, 100k/week for each of Fernandez and AWB, and 50k/week for James, while removing 200k/week from Lukaku, that is an increase of 23.5m pounds in club's salary. Add there the signing on fee, and it really becomes too expensive.
I think that we might just be able to do it (especially considering that last summer was relatively cheap), but I think it is on the expensive side of things. Maguire + Dybala (and the two signings we already have done) would be a perfect summer.
FDJ to Barça for 75ME in a team that was semi finalist of CL. More than 50ME for BF is just poor deal by MU. Not because of the quality of the player, but its context.
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But Sporting may have requested it.
I still don't think he's a priority target. My feeling is that Maguire and Dybala would be it.
False nine, shadow striker, attacking midfielder, Pah. Both will be on the pitch behind the forwards.
Haha, let’s see mate, no clue if this will go through and I’ve a bad feeling he might do a Di Maria (Dybala) if he does join but cannot help get excited
Right Im going to make a few statements here that I should cite but Im at work so don't have time to go digging around so please forgive me for the lack of actual citations.
There's several problems with Paul Pogba leaving that go beyond mere logistics. OGS has publicly stated that he wants to build his team around the Frenchman. This pre-season he has gone out of his way to compliment the player, his work ethic and professionalism. He's also being considered for the captaincy with a few others. Paul Pogba being sold this close to the season opener, when he's been drilled into the system and is very obviously a very important player in this system, would be a huge publicity issue for the club. We don't have to sell the player, he's under contract and has a valuation of £180 million according to latest reports, and Real Madrid can't meet that.
I've read an "inside" report that Pogba's main concern is the clubs reluctance to invest in players. That he would be willing to stay as long as there is a course. Replacing Lukaku with Dybala, actually getting Maguire and Fernandes in makes this seasons team almost unimaginably stronger than last years, especially with the addition of AWB and the emergence of McTominay and Greenwood. DDG has also commited his career to the club, which was also a huge key issue to resolve this off-season. There is so much good happening with players now. Mata spoke in a interview just last night about the atmosphere in the club, everyone are pulling in the same direction, everyone believes in the project and are hungry to make good on last seasons fiasco.
Bruno Fernandes does not replace Paul Pogba, he replaces Herrera and Fellani, with McTominay emerging as a reliable squad player this season. Paul Pogbas replacement is Sergej Milinovic-Savic. If rumours are true the club have agreed a transfer dependant on Pogba leaving, but no tier 1 sources have confirmed this.
We are not selling Pogba after the window closes, and do without a replacement until January. I don't understand in what universe do we do this? Leave the club significantly weaker for half the season just to allow Pogba to leave? This happens never. The only way the club would have entertained selling Pogba this transfer window is if the player had handed in a transfer request. But he hasn't, and now it's too late. The transfer window closes in 8 days.
Paulo Dybala is Lukakus direct replacement, that is the only reason a swap deal is being entertained.
The issue we have if Bruno Fernandes signs is that someone has go to go. We can have a 25man strong squad and with Fernandes we'll have 29 players (Before Lukaku is sold) in the first team roster, including 6 month injured Bailly.
Some players needs to be sold or put on loan before the window closes. Matteo Darmian is very likely to leave soon. Fred might leave on loan if Fenerbache improves their offer.
Personally I feel confident that the manager and the way the club has conducted business this window has convinced Pogba that his future lies at the Theatre of Dreams. Plus Real Madrid having a absolutely terrible pre-season, combined with both James Rodriguez and Gareth Bale staying with the club, wich pretty much solidifies the fact that Pogba is going nowhere.
A loan for Garner would definitely be a smart idea as he is nowhere near ready for this season considering how small a part he played in pre season so far and I consider Fernandes to be primarily a CM who can also function as an AM (and Mctominay to be more of a DM who can function as a CM) I also think that all of the AM's you have listed are essentially also competing for wide positions so should still get plenty of games.
I think there is plenty of room for him in the squad in short.
I think it make more sense if we keep Pogba, Dybala is better choice than Bruno.
With Bruno we have a midfielder who's main/sole focus is to attack, but we already have Pogba there, who is much more talented and creative anyway.
With Dybala, we can play him in false 9, supporting Rashford/Martial/Greenwood/James attacking from the side.
It makes perfect sense.
The only chance we will buy Bruno, is when we decided to sell Pogba and need a replacement. But with Bale staying at Real, I doubt we would find a suitable buyer for Pogba this summer.
saw this on twitter . i wonder if this is what we are looking to do formation wise.
David de Gea
AWB Lindelof Maguire Shaw
McTominay Pogba
Bruno Dybala Rashford
Martial
He's coming too.
That looks sweet.
i'm just going on what others have said saying he's best used in the attacking third. i've not seen him play at all. if he's more of a well rounded midfielder then that would be great then.
Wasn’t he on international duty for the U23’s?
According to all rival fans and the ABU media, we aren't in for him and he 'can't play with Pogba'/'deal is dependent on Pogba leaving' just like any other top player, Dybala included.. No, we're only allowed one and he must be so good to carry the shit surrounding him.
Nah I'd like a player like Fernandez coming to United. His goals and assists from midfield are just what United need. But its getting tiresome the constant reports that his medical is due and a bid is imminent
According to Sporting we haven’t submitted any kind of bid for him. Which also tallies up with the briefing given to Stone and others last week. We’re not in for him. Di Marzio is wrong and others have followed him.
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