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I find that "bad captain" thing so strange.

I totally get people that question whether he is the type of player that can start in a great side. I think that might just be that type of number 10 in general these days.

But he truly, truly cares, worked his bollox off, has one of the best injury records I've ever seen and seems to be loved by all his teammates.

But he moans a bit? Roy Keane never did that.
 
:lol: I can always tell he’s had a world class performance when I open this thread and there isn’t “See Ignored Content” at the bottom of it.
:lol: The funniest part of this is that without even realising it you’ve put your finger on how incredibly inconsistent he is.
 
Yeah, let’s sell our best player at his peak. That will obviously make us a much better team…
Think some might be scared of another situation were we sign a new contract with a top player in his prime, only to see him jog around in steep decline the year after, and we can´t bench because he is the captain and on 350k pw, and we can´t sell because no one would touch a player in steep decline on 350k pw.

Bruno is one of our most important players here and now, one of my favourite players for the last 5 years. My gut feeling is that this little tenacious bastard will keep running his socks of well into 30 something, so selling him now makes little to no sense. But sure hope our soon to be new DOF will have a better sense with regards to squad planning.
 
I think Bruno was very good yesterday. Early in the game Chelsea broke with a 4 on 2 against Harry and Victor and Bruno sprinted at least half the field, maybe more, to get back and intercept a pass from behind to break up the play at the edge or our penalty box. He beat Amrabat, McTominay, Shaw and Dalot in getting back. His work-rate is off the charts.

His passing was also very good.

Now about that penalty. That was a really terrible penalty. Sometimes a penalty can have power but be inaccurate. Sometimes it's accurate but lacking in power. But, that was a weak shot to a terrible location. Come on Bruno. You're better than that.
 
I think Bruno was very good yesterday. Early in the game Chelsea broke with a 4 on 2 against Harry and Victor and Bruno sprinted at least half the field, maybe more, to get back and intercept a pass from behind to break up the play at the edge or our penalty box. He beat Amrabat, McTominay, Shaw and Dalot in getting back. His work-rate is off the charts.

His passing was also very good.

Now about that penalty. That was a really terrible penalty. Sometimes a penalty can have power but be inaccurate. Sometimes it's accurate but lacking in power. But, that was a weak shot to a terrible location. Come on Bruno. You're better than that.
i never did understand all the cutesie little hopping BS so many players try and do. At that level they should be able to hit the side netting pretty much every time. You do that and the goalie has no shot of getting it, even if they guess completely correct.
 
This is true, it did feel like we were camped out in their half for long periods. Takes away the madness from his play a bit, especially having the fullbacks pushed up and Amarabat, as limited as he is, as a DM sitting deeper.
Ah but you see, United haven't won many trophies since Bruno signed for us, so we should sell him asap rather than changing the system to suit his strengths.
 
Ah but you see, United haven't won many trophies since Bruno signed for us, so we should sell him asap rather than changing the system to suit his strengths.

We have played to his strengths for most of his time here. He has literally been given leeway to do whatever he wants because he's the only one that can create (other than a Rashford in form), but that's not how a top team plays football, and you know that.
 
I think Bruno was very good yesterday. Early in the game Chelsea broke with a 4 on 2 against Harry and Victor and Bruno sprinted at least half the field, maybe more, to get back and intercept a pass from behind to break up the play at the edge or our penalty box. He beat Amrabat, McTominay, Shaw and Dalot in getting back. His work-rate is off the charts.

His passing was also very good.

Now about that penalty. That was a really terrible penalty. Sometimes a penalty can have power but be inaccurate. Sometimes it's accurate but lacking in power. But, that was a weak shot to a terrible location. Come on Bruno. You're better than that.

I think it has to do with the formula. If it doesn't work, it can look like a poor effort more often than not. It's about slowing down the process as much as you can to force the keeper into committing first. Something like a who blinks first contest. Messi has managed to perfect it and without the hop or any of the other"theatrics". Just 6–7 steps back, and then slowing down as he approaches the ball. Neymar is also very successful with the slightly unorthodox starting body position and his tendency to look only at the goalkeeper and almost never at the ball. But if the keeper doesn't fall for it, it can look bad. Ronaldo is the opposite as he goes for placement. During his first stint with us, he also used to do a little stutter, but it felt like a "final check" and, most times, he used to aim at the bottom right or the upper left corner. At Madrid, he changed the formula to straight runs, which became faster and faster with the years. Anyway, he's good at them with this formula, 16/20 in the PL is a good return.
 
We have played to his strengths for most of his time here. He has literally been given leeway to do whatever he wants because he's the only one that can create (other than a Rashford in form), but that's not how a top team plays football, and you know that.
For most of his United career he's had to share a midfield with Fred (who often struggled to execute 5-10 yard passes) and Mctominay (who famously goes hiding). He's very rarely had full backs pushing up either side of him. And, up until the signing of Hojlund, he's never had a fit mobile striker in front of him. That is not how you play to his strengths.
 
I think it has to do with the formula. If it doesn't work, it can look like a poor effort more often than not. It's about slowing down the process as much as you can to force the keeper into committing first. Something like a who blinks first contest. Messi has managed to perfect it and without the hop or any of the other"theatrics". Just 6–7 steps back, and then slowing down as he approaches the ball. Neymar is also very successful with the slightly unorthodox starting body position and his tendency to look only at the goalkeeper and almost never at the ball. But if the keeper doesn't fall for it, it can look bad. Ronaldo is the opposite as he goes for placement. During his first stint with us, he also used to do a little stutter, but it felt like a "final check" and, most times, he used to aim at the bottom right or the upper left corner. At Madrid, he changed the formula to straight runs, which became faster and faster with the years. Anyway, he's good at them with this formula, 16/20 in the PL is a good return.

I don't care about the run-up too much. But, on the last step you have to focus and place in the corner with at least a little bit of power. I didn't watch him all the time in La Liga or France but I've seen a lot of Messi highlights and I don't remember seeing him hit a penalty that poorly.

Anyway, we won the game so it's not a big deal in the greater scheme of things and Bruno is usually excellent at penalties. Maybe he needs to go back to the little leap before kicking it.
 
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Ah but you see, United haven't won many trophies since Bruno signed for us, so we should sell him asap rather than changing the system to suit his strengths.

I've seen some wild football opinions over the years, but I honestly can't remember a wilder opinion than a United fan wanting us to get rid of Bruno. It only makes sense if:

1. They are trolling
2. They are in too deep with their criticism and too proud to change their mind

Number 2 doesn't make much sense either though. Why be so critical to begin with? Apart from the Ole/Rangnick car crash, Bruno has overall been one of our best players since his arrival. Arguably the best, only challenged by Shaw.
 
Are we surprised that it's probably his (and United's!) best attacking game this season, concident with highest pass accuracy from him lately? Has he tried any wild first time passes last night?

I was bothered to check his last 10-12 games, and it's the highest accuracy, and he made decent amount of passes in combination too. So least wrong number of passes in a while. Who would have thoight that it would actually make us play better?
 
Why are people out of a sudden talking about his work ethic? It has always been top and never in question imo. He does becomes petulant and angry at times but he always gives 100% effort.
 
Ah but you see, United haven't won many trophies since Bruno signed for us, so we should sell him asap rather than changing the system to suit his strengths.
I’m not sure this is Bruno specific though. Most AMs will be better when we’re in offensive positions.
 
I've seen some wild football opinions over the years, but I honestly can't remember a wilder opinion than a United fan wanting us to get rid of Bruno. It only makes sense if:

1. They are trolling
2. They are in too deep with their criticism and too proud to change their mind

Number 2 doesn't make much sense either though. Why be so critical to begin with? Apart from the Ole/Rangnick car crash, Bruno has overall been one of our best players since his arrival. Arguably the best, only challenged by Shaw.
I agree and I do wonder if it's partly due to Bruno's all-action style being incompatible with some of the caf's idealistic versions of a certain 'type' of midfielder they prefer watching. Some people prefer the neat and tidy looking midfielders who have an element of silkiness to their play, akin to the world class Spanish midfielders we've seen over the last 15 years.

Bruno would rather take a risk in the opposition's half than play it safe. And instead of acknowledging how effective he has been in consistently creating chances for his teammates, some United fans go ballistic at him for losing possession.

Add that to the fact that he sometimes waves his arms and 'whinges' at his teammates and the ref, then you have the caf's favourite scapegoat for our lack of success over the past few years.

Even last night, when Bruno put in a fantastic 9/10 performance, you see comments on this thread like "yeah but did you see that wayward cross he did?" :lol:
 
Yeah that surprised me too. Yesterday was typical of Bruno. He is one of the best pressers and hardest workers in the league.
Yes he is. I think the difference was that yesterday every other United player was working hard also. As a result, a lot of Bruno's pressing effort wasn't wasted by a teammate leaving an easy outlet pass.
 
Yes he is. I think the difference was that yesterday every other United player was working hard also. As a result, a lot of Bruno's pressing effort wasn't wasted by a teammate leaving an easy outlet pass.

It also kills the myth that Bruno would never cut it in City or Barcelona. His pressing would be so appreciated in those teams. And his pass accuracy would of course also go up with actual runners around him. Like it did yesterday. No need to go for Hollywood passes when you can play it simple and still create opportunities. That is why he's Ten Hag's go-to guy and now also captain.
 
Yes he is. I think the difference was that yesterday every other United player was working hard also. As a result, a lot of Bruno's pressing effort wasn't wasted by a teammate leaving an easy outlet pass.

That's a good point. His pressing can look a bit headless chicken when the wide men aren't simultaneously cutting off options and he is easily bypassed. Yesterday it all looked so much better coordinated.
 
I've seen some wild football opinions over the years, but I honestly can't remember a wilder opinion than a United fan wanting us to get rid of Bruno. It only makes sense if:

1. They are trolling
2. They are in too deep with their criticism and too proud to change their mind

Number 2 doesn't make much sense either though. Why be so critical to begin with? Apart from the Ole/Rangnick car crash, Bruno has overall been one of our best players since his arrival. Arguably the best, only challenged by Shaw.

It doesn't make it a wild opinion because you personally rate the player very high. Rashford scored 17 PL goals and 5 assists last season, and around 40 goals in total, but I still wanted him out. You know, your "best" players doesn't necessarily mean good enough, and it doesn't mean you have to replace every other player first before you replace that player. Sometimes, you get rid of the "cog" of the team to change the entire style completely, as Liverpool did with Coutinho, and that certainly paid off. The reason - as has been mentioned by so many posters so many times - is that certain players are only effective when they are allowed to play a certain way, and both Bruno and Rashford are players like that. Shaw, Martinez, Casemiro, Varane (well, maybe not any longer) are players that are opposite of that. Team players that fit in different styles of football and that have the set of tools and qualities to fit in wherever.

Look, if Bruno plays like he did yesterday in every game, no one would want him out, or even complain about him. It was a superb performance. Coutinho also had superb performances, Rashford, etc. I've also seen Jonjo Shelvey deliver world class performances. It is a problem when the performance like yesterday is an anomaly. It should be a standard the way some of you think of him. It is not, it's a rare performance in a pile of shit performances this season. Thankfully, he's turned it around a bit now and looking better, but he has to do it throughout the season.
 
It doesn't make it a wild opinion because you personally rate the player very high. Rashford scored 17 PL goals and 5 assists last season, and around 40 goals in total, but I still wanted him out. You know, your "best" players doesn't necessarily mean good enough, and it doesn't mean you have to replace every other player first before you replace that player. Sometimes, you get rid of the "cog" of the team to change the entire style completely, as Liverpool did with Coutinho, and that certainly paid off. The reason - as has been mentioned by so many posters so many times - is that certain players are only effective when they are allowed to play a certain way, and both Bruno and Rashford are players like that. Shaw, Martinez, Casemiro, Varane (well, maybe not any longer) are players that are opposite of that. Team players that fit in different styles of football and that have the set of tools and qualities to fit in wherever.

Look, if Bruno plays like he did yesterday in every game, no one would want him out, or even complain about him. It was a superb performance. Coutinho also had superb performances, Rashford, etc. I've also seen Jonjo Shelvey deliver world class performances. It is a problem when the performance like yesterday is an anomaly. It should be a standard the way some of you think of him. It is not, it's a rare performance in a pile of shit performances this season. Thankfully, he's turned it around a bit now and looking better, but he has to do it throughout the season.

What the hell am I reading here? What kind of history revisionism is this?

Liverpool didn't "get rid of Coutinho", he left them for Barca. They wouldn't have sold him otherwise, if he wanted to stay or they got no offers. Also the major difference between Rashford and Bruno is that Bruno is consistent with what he brings to the team. His pass percentage might be volatile but he always brings high work rate and chance creation. Even in his worse seasons he's still an elite chance creator and tireless worker.

Rashford on the other hand blows extremely hot and cold between seasons. Last season he was great, but the one before that he was terrible just like this season. If Rashford was consistent like Bruno, his weaknesses (work-rate, ball retention in possession etc.) would have been been accommodated and likely overlooked. No one just gets rid of a 30 goal a season forward, not if they are consistent at that.

There are no perfect players. Not even Messi. He just waltzes around and does no marking until his team picks up the ball. Everyone has strengths and weaknesses. And If a footballer is exceptional at some things that are necessary for the team, then other weakness can be accommodated and compensated by other players. That's what Liverpool would have done if Coutinho hadn't left. That's what we'll be doing with Bruno. But you can't be just be exceptional at those things in only 1 every 3 seasons. Then you become a liability. Rashford is one, but Bruno isn't.
 
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What the hell am I reading here? What kind of history revisionism is this?

Liverpool didn't "get rid of Coutinho", he left them for Barca. They wouldn't have sold him otherwise, if he wanted to stay or they got no offers. Also the major difference between Rashford and Bruno is that Bruno is consistent with what he brings to the team. His pass percentage might be volatile but he always brings high work rate and chance creation. Even in his worse seasons he's still an elite chance creator and tireless worker.

Rashford on the other hand blows extremely hot and cold between seasons. Last season he was great, but the one before that he was terrible just like this season. If Rashford was consistent like Bruno, his weaknesses (work-rate, ball retention in possession etc.) would have been been accommodated and likely overlooked. No one just gets rid of a 30 goal a season forward, not if they are consistent at that.

There are no perfect players. Not even Messi. He just waltzes around and does no marking until his team picks up the ball. Everyone has strengths and weaknesses. And If a footballer is exceptional at some things that are necessary for the team, then other weakness can be accommodated and compensated by other players. That's what Liverpool would have done if Coutinho hadn't left. That's what we'll be doing with Bruno. But you can't be just be exceptional at those things in only 1 every 3 seasons. Then you become a liability. Rashford is one, but Bruno isn't.

Coutinho left because he wanted to be the main man in Liverpool, and felt Klopp didn't value him enough. So yeah, he left the club like most players do, but there is often a reason for leaving. If you think Liverpool would have been just as good as good with him as they were without him, then you're wrong. You can't just accomodate any player in a team, and expect the team to be as successful because you've brought in new reinforcements.

Bruno is an elite chance creator, but do you really think that's enough for a midfielder? I mean, Kieran Trippier creates as many chances as him, TAA etc. I mean, Alfie Doughty from Luton isn't far behind. Bruno should be able to do much more than what he does from a midfield position. You could talk about his availability and stamina all day long, it doesn't change the fact that he has several weaknesses that are absolutely crucial requirements to be a midfielder for a top team. If you take a few moments to ask yourself; will Bruno be remembered as an all-time great midfielder in the PL or a great chance creator, you know the answer to why we need to upgrade on him sooner than later. No one is saying that "Bruno out, new player in = success" but he has his limits, and if we want to be competing with Real Madrid, City, Bayern etc, then he is not the answer, as we've seen several times in big games before. It is not only him, most of our squad needs to be improved on.
 
Coutinho left because he wanted to be the main man in Liverpool, and felt Klopp didn't value him enough. So yeah, he left the club like most players do, but there is often a reason for leaving. If you think Liverpool would have been just as good as good with him as they were without him, then you're wrong. You can't just accommodate any player in a team, and expect the team to be as successful because you've brought in new reinforcements.

So once you moved the goalposts from "Liverpool got rid of Coutinho", now you say he left them because he wanted to be the main man. I presume that's why he went to Messi's Barcelona instead. Do you even believe what you're writing at this point?

Bruno is an elite chance creator, but do you really think that's enough for a midfielder? I mean, Kieran Trippier creates as many chances as him, TAA etc
Do you have any awareness of what you are saying, mate? TAA is an elite chance creator as a fullback and he is still playing there for Liverpool, despite it being obvious to everyone that he is a really poor actual defender. Do you see any plans by Klopp to get rid of him or bench him? No
 
So once you moved the goalposts from "Liverpool got rid of Coutinho", now you say he left them because he wanted to be the main man. I presume that's why he went to Messi's Barcelona instead. Do you even believe what you're writing at this point?

Why are you so hung up on this? :lol: The point I was trying to make is that Coutinho, who was very good for Liverpool and considered their main man and chance creator left Liverpool and they became a better team after it.

Do you have any awareness of what you are saying, mate? TAA is an elite chance creator as a fullback and he is playing there for Liverpool, despite it being obvious to everyone that he is a really poor actual defender. Do you see any plans by Klopp to chance that? No

I know he is an elite chance creator, that's why I mentioned him along with Trippier. What?

TAA has exceptional technique and is revolved around everything Liverpool does without making dumb hollywood passes all the time. He is allowed to be bad at defending because he doesn't play in an equally crucial position as playing in midfield is. Do you think Klopp would play Bruno in his midfield?
 
Why are you so hung up on this? :lol: The point I was trying to make is that Coutinho, who was very good for Liverpool and considered their main man and chance creator left Liverpool and they became a better team after it.

Because they became a better team despite this not because of it. You're making a terrible assertion. They reached the UCL final with Coutinho.
They massively improved their defence by signing Van Dijk mid-season and in the summer they signed Alisson to replace Karius and Fabinho to replace Emre Can. They solidified their defence which allowed them to play more attacking/pressing football.

I know he is an elite chance creator, that's why I mentioned him along with Trippier. What?

TAA has exceptional technique and is revolved around everything Liverpool does without making dumb hollywood passes all the time. He is allowed to be bad at defending because he doesn't play in an equally crucial position as playing in midfield is. Do you think Klopp would play Bruno in his midfield?

Yes, 100%. TAA also does dumb Hollywood passes form time to time. And every position on the pitch is crucial, don't know what the feck you're talking about.
 
One thing to mention about last night’s performance that hasn’t been pointed out before (I think) There’s a good chance he played that game with stitches in his foot after Schar’s “tackle” on Sunday. You could see him showing the ref that he was bleeding through his sock immediately afterwards. That’s unlikely to happen without a significant gash. Makes his overall effort and aggression in the tackle even more impressive.
 
I thought the issue was more about the ball placement than the run-up itself
Yep, that’s fair. It wasn’t hit well but then when he scores them I often wonder how they’d have looked had the keeper gone the right way. You could see straight away from his expression that he knew he hadn’t connected with it as well as he’d have liked.
 
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Most minutes this year. Our man has never missed a game in his career because of an injury
 
Really enjoyed watching him last night. It's good to be able to say that again.
 
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Most minutes this year. Our man has never missed a game in his career because of an injury

For a fella who is built like a twig, gets clattered almost every game, and can usually be found sprinting past the rest of the midfield to track back in the 94th minute, that's incredible.
 
TAA has exceptional technique and is revolved around everything Liverpool does without making dumb hollywood passes all the time. He is allowed to be bad at defending because he doesn't play in an equally crucial position as playing in midfield is. Do you think Klopp would play Bruno in his midfield?

This is the classic Caf logical fallacy. Have you forgotten TAA's period of spectacularly bad form, which was so serious and long-lasting that entire think-pieces were written about it, and both TAA and Klopp had to directly address it?

And your logic here, also, is that TAA is allowed to be defensively weak but Bruno isn't, even though TAA is a FB/CDM and Bruno is an AM?
 
This is the classic Caf logical fallacy. Have you forgotten TAA's period of spectacularly bad form, which was so serious and long-lasting that entire think-pieces were written about it, and both TAA and Klopp had to directly address it?

And your logic here, also, is that TAA is allowed to be defensively weak but Bruno isn't, even though TAA is a FB/CDM and Bruno is an AM?

When his spectacularly bad form gets him more assists than Bruno, that is saying something. Again, that was form, not lack of quality.

TAA is "allowed" to be weak defensively because of his outrageous offensive output for a fullback and because he is vital to their build-up play. They're one of the best teams in the league, and was the best team a few years ago with him a vital part of it. Can you say the same for Bruno? I didn't say Bruno was weak defensively, by the way. I said that he lacks crucial qualities to play as a midfielder at a top team, which he does. He is good defensively, but he is physically weak, can't protect the ball, can't drive with the ball, average technique, unable to dribble etc. You can't be a top midfielder for a top team when you lack all of these traits, but then again, we're not a top team.
 
When his spectacularly bad form gets him more assists than Bruno, that is saying something. Again, that was form, not lack of quality.

TAA is "allowed" to be weak defensively because of his outrageous offensive output for a fullback and because he is vital to their build-up play. They're one of the best teams in the league, and was the best team a few years ago with him a vital part of it. Can you say the same for Bruno?

I can't believe this needs to be explained to you but when Alexander Arnold has been a vital part of one of the best teams in the league, that's because he's been servicing a front 3 which contains Salah and Mane. If you're wondering why Bruno's assist numbers aren't as high as Alexander Arnold, you might want to check who has been there to finish off his chances.
 
I can't believe this needs to be explained to you but when Alexander Arnold has been a vital part of one of the best teams in the league, that's because he's been servicing a front 3 which contains Salah and Mane. If you're wondering why Bruno's assist numbers aren't as high as Alexander Arnold, you might want to check who has been there to finish off his chances.

You don't need to explain anything, and I don't understand the point you're trying to make here. TAA has been vital because he's been servicing Salah and Mane? Okay, so if you replace him with Dalot or AWB, would it be the same outcome?

He is vital to their build-up play because of his qualities, not because of other players. He had Nunez and Salah to service last season, and Nunez was an absolute donkey missing sitters.

I know Bruno would very likely have more assists if we were playing Salah and Mane upfront for us, but that's not the point of the last post. It was just a response to another poster.

Earlier you said Bruno didn't have a striker to supply chances with and that hurt him, but have you seen how few chances he has created for Højlund since he joined?
 
You don't need to explain anything, and I don't understand the point you're trying to make here. TAA has been vital because he's been servicing Salah and Mane? Okay, so if you replace him with Dalot or AWB, would it be the same outcome?

Your point was a comparison between Bruno and Alexander Arnold, not Dalot and Alexander Arnold. You said that Alexander Arnold doesn't try daft Hollywood passes unlike Bruno, which isn't true. We often see him lose possession by spamming poor crosses that aren't on, instead of making a "sensible" pass. Makes me wonder if you've actually watched many Liverpool games or you're just going off his highlight reels.

He is vital to their build-up play because of his qualities, not because of other players. He had Nunez and Salah to service last season, and Nunez was an absolute donkey missing sitters.
And they finished 5th. So no - they weren't one of the best teams in the league with Nunez instead of Mane.

I know Bruno would very likely have more assists if we were playing Salah and Mane upfront for us, but that's not the point of the last post. It was just a response to another poster.

Earlier you said Bruno didn't have a striker to supply chances with and that hurt him, but have you seen how few chances he has created for Højlund since he joined?
Have you seen how many chances Bruno has created in the league this season? Almost as if there are other players on the pitch who you can supply chances to apart from the centre forward.
 
Yes he is. I think the difference was that yesterday every other United player was working hard also. As a result, a lot of Bruno's pressing effort wasn't wasted by a teammate leaving an easy outlet pass.

Great post. I’ve never been convinced that Bruno can be the star figure in a consistent title challenging team, I think you need 1-2 players around him who are consistently above his level - particularly goal scorers, but it sure doesn’t show him in his best light when others don’t work as hard as he does.
 
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