Pogue Mahone
Closet Gooner.
I think “press resistant” is going straight to the top of my list of pretentious bullshit football buzz words we never needed and could have done without. Right up there with trequartista and double pivot.
You're only saying the bolded players are press reistant because they're now at City. Kovacic and the whole Chelsea midfield were so easy to get the ball of last season it was ridiculous.
Same for Grealish - you wouldn't really call him press resistant at Villa - there he just drew fouls, which I guess is a form of being press resitant, but not in the same way he is at City.
I think “press resistant” is going straight to the top of my list of pretentious football bullshit. Right up there with trequartista and double pivot.
I think “press resistant” is going straight to the top of my list of pretentious bullshit football buzz words we never needed and could have done without. Right up there with trequartista and double pivot.
How does "rest-defence" float your boat?
This Ten Hag experiment should be given another 2 seasons and I would like him to sell Bruno & Rashford in the summer for good money for to bring in better players.
Getting fouls is part of being press resistant. Saying Grealish didn’t have this quality at Villa is bizarre. Grealish could hold off players in tight spaces and not lose the ball. He’s not a player who needed space or grass in front of him to dribble, that is the difference between him and Rashford.Yeah you'd call Grealish a great dribbler at Villa - but so is Rashford, and I wouldn't call Rashford press resistant at all. Grealish at Villa when pressed basically just drew a foul - now at City he keeps the ball/moves it on. Literally gets fouled half as much now at City then he did at Villa.
I don't think anyone watched Kovacic, or anyone in Chelsea's midfield last season and thought "yep, those lot are really press resistant".
Yeah you'd call Grealish a great dribbler at Villa - but so is Rashford, and I wouldn't call Rashford press resistant at all. Grealish at Villa when pressed basically just drew a foul - now at City he keeps the ball/moves it on. Literally gets fouled half as much now at City then he did at Villa.
I don't think anyone watched Kovacic, or anyone in Chelsea's midfield last season and thought "yep, those lot are really press resistant".
See the point you are trying to make and actually, I agree that it isn't an absurd thought that Bruno would be uncoachable and there wouldn't be any way to integrate him into City (our perception of City). But I am pretty sure Pep would never do it because what he is doing right now, is putting great dribblers all over the pitch to increase their capabilities against pressing teams (which is close to bread and butter these days). Bruno is not a good dribbler at all, doesn't have good close control so I am pretty sure todays Pep wouldn't want him in his team.I find the idea that a top team can't have Bruno Fernandes in it weird... Like Bruno would somehow look out of place at say, Manchester City... would he have to adapt his game a bit? Sure. Would he get an absolutely ridiculous number of assists and would they still win the league? Obviously.
Especially if it's against the likes of Luxembourg.Watch him play for Portugal, and you'll see he's not the problem.
Not buying this Kool-aid. If anything we've actually been relatively decent in big games during these barren years. Random big game raising might even be our leading factor in keeping failing managers. This team knows how to perform when the pressure is off and there are low expectations. Don't stretch Bruno's big game issues to the rest of the team. His struggles are a different type of bottling, especially as his style is directly contributing to our lack of control. Plus I don't think many of the others are called world class or good enough to be here.Because here's the thing guys, we haven’t consistently turned up as a team in the big games for years now.
So it's extremely difficult, especially as a creative player, to bring out your best stuff when your team is getting outplayed and dominated.
As was the case last night. First 20 mins, when the game was even, I thought Bruno did pretty well, as well as anybody else anyway. Considered passing, nothing silly, good retention, plenty of work.
But once Bayern got ahead and took control you simply can't expect just one or two to somehow keep it going at a top level because football is afterall a TEAM SPORT remember.
You're under the cosh, getting deeper, less passing options, everybody's tiring.
But some expect Bruno to still in that situation be banging out a 90% possession stat.
It won't happen I'm afraid.
Not buying this Kool-aid. If anything we've actually been relatively decent in big games during these barren years. Random big game raising might even be our leading factor in keeping failing managers. This team knows how to perform when the pressure is off and there are low expectations. Don't stretch Bruno's big game issues to the rest of the team. His struggles are a different type of bottling, especially as his style is directly contributing to our lack of control. Plus I don't think many of the others are called world class or good enough to be here.
You're only saying the bolded players are press reistant because they're now at City. Kovacic and the whole Chelsea midfield were so easy to get the ball of last season it was ridiculous.
Same for Grealish - you wouldn't really call him press resistant at Villa - there he just drew fouls, which I guess is a form of being press resitant, but not in the same way he is at City.
I just hope this consistency you're referring to means "more consistent in big games than Bruno" because that would be the only relevant object of comparison if you're going to blame Bruno's poor individual performances on others. They don't even need Ronaldo level consistency to be more reliable than Bruno. The likes of Rashford, casemiro, even departed or soon to be departed players like fred, de gea and Martial's lazy ass showed up more occasionally. Stop blaming his big game struggles on players who don't regress anywhere close to the way Bruno regresses, it's so silly.Name the players who've been consistently good over the last decade in big games outside of Rashford.
That covers a lot of players so should be easy. Should be lotsof them if this is pretty much a Bruno thing.
Side note: we were resoundingly awful last year in the big games. Awful as a team.
I just hope this consistency you're referring to means "more consistent in big games than Bruno" because that's the relevant standard of comparison if you're going to blame Bruno's poor individual performances on every one else. They don't need Ronaldo level consistency to be more reliable than Bruno. The likes of Rashford, casemiro, even departed or soon to be departed players like fred, de gea and Martial's lazy ass were less gash in big games. Stop blaming others for his big game struggles, it's so silly. It's even supposed to work the other way round. A supposed world class player.
No it proves the point that it doesn't take much to be a better big game player than Bruno. This isn't a very high bar at all. A couple anomalous big game spikes would be all it takes for the other players to surpass his consistency. His skillset translates terribly in those games. Also because of how actively detrimental his style can be in these games.So, Casemriro, Fred, DDG and Martial are the best examples of big game players you can think of? Martial, who's been shite against everyone for years. Casemiro, who I can't remember excelling against any big team last season. De Gea, who famously had a 0% save percentage when the scousers dicked us and Fred, who's left the club and got some absolutely terrible chasings in big games. That's the best you can come up with? Kind of proves his point, no.
Oh and Bruno was excellent in our best league result last season. Against Manchester City.
Seriously mate, it feels like you intentionally trying to distract from the debate that is going on in here. Tell us: how does it make Bruno better or gets rid of his deficiencies when you compare him to his team mates? How often do you want to hear that he has been one of the better, maybe best, performers of the team - when all that matters not really a thing seeing that our rivals all play better and for the most part more productive than we do?Name the players who've been consistently good over the last decade in big games outside of Rashford.
That covers a lot of players so should be easy. Should be lotsof them if this is pretty much a Bruno thing.
Side note: we were resoundingly awful last year in the big games. Awful as a team.
No it proves the point that it doesn't take much to be a better big game player than Bruno. This isn't a very high bar at all. His skillset translates absolutely terribly in those games.
Yeah you'd call Grealish a great dribbler at Villa - but so is Rashford, and I wouldn't call Rashford press resistant at all. Grealish at Villa when pressed basically just drew a foul - now at City he keeps the ball/moves it on. Literally gets fouled half as much now at City then he did at Villa.
I don't think anyone watched Kovacic, or anyone in Chelsea's midfield last season and thought "yep, those lot are really press resistant".
I think, we can shorten it here: you stance is that we should just make sure that Bruno has better defensive players behind to provide more security and better forwards to score his chances and then we are fine. Does this sound correct?The big game player/flat track bully thing has always been the dumbest stick to beat any player with. Funnily enough, I remember it being used a lot against Ronaldo in his early days. The fact is, most players don't excel in big games. Something that is even more true when they're playing for a not very good team like us. Because in most of those games we're getting a hiding. Or, at best, a very tight game where creative/attacking players will struggle to shine. Besides, Bruno tends to always play well in any big game where the rest of the team turn up and give him a platform to express himself. As per my previous post, City last season an obvious example.
That wasn't a complete myth either. For the briefest window Ronaldo did have some issues adapting his trickery to elite defenses. Unlike many others he figured it out very quickly and became one of the most clutch players the game has seenThe big game player/flat track bully thing has always been the dumbest stick to beat any player with. Funnily enough, I remember it being used a lot against Ronaldo in his early days. The fact is, most players don't excel in big games. Something that is even more true when they're playing for a not very good team like us. Because in most of those games we're getting a hiding. Or, at best, a very tight game where creative/attacking players will struggle to shine. Besides, Bruno tends to always play well in any big game where the rest of the team turn up and give him a platform to express himself. As per my previous post, City last season an obvious example.
I just hope this consistency you're referring to means "more consistent in big games than Bruno" because that would be the only relevant object of comparison if you're going to blame Bruno's poor individual performances on others. They don't even need Ronaldo level consistency to be more reliable than Bruno. The likes of Rashford, casemiro, even departed or soon to be departed players like fred, de gea and Martial's lazy ass showed up more occasionally. Stop blaming his big game struggles on players who don't regress anywhere close to the way Bruno regresses, it's so silly.
It's even supposed to work the other way round. A supposed world class player is meant to be the one person who doesn't crumble in tight situations. The team might be jointly accountable for a bad result but players are responsible for their poor individual performances
Seriously mate, it feels like you intentionally trying to distract from the debate that is going on in here. Tell us: how does it make Bruno better or gets rid of his deficiencies when you compare him to his team mates? How often do you want to hear that he has been one of the better, maybe best, performers of the team - when all that matters not really a thing seeing that our rivals all play better and for the most part more productive than we do?
We get it, you think some of the criticism is over the top, you are probably right to a certain degree, but what you are doing isn't really helping to cool the mood.
It's not a complicated question, it's a blatant reach. If the point is that bruno's teammates are why he sucks I only need to show that those same players have been more reliable in big games than Bruno, not world class standards. Maguire's mistakes are not the reason Bruno can't trap a ball under pressure. Stop it.No just tell me whose put in consistently good performances in the big games over the last decade. It's not a complicated question and the names should be obvious and plentiful if its just Bruno who struggles.
The names you have come up with, come on mate. De Gea was awful in the big games. Casemiro as our DM last season featured in absolute batterings. Probably our worst season in modern times in the bigger games. Don't even know where to begin with Martial.
I'm not having a pop at those guys(except De Gea) because as a team, we're nearly always struggling against the bigger names.
In those games it has to be a collective effort that creates a platform for individuals to have their big moments. I know this sounds like an excuse but its true and extends beyond Bruno.
The defence for him just gets more hilarious as time goes by. Great players prove their greatness by not only being consistent against the smaller teams but by making the difference against bigger teams.There is no point to do this with Pogue, to be honest. It seems like he's been so invested in defending Bruno over the years that he would rather stick to it no matter what, instead of accepting that he is wrong and having to admit to "all the tedious twats" on here that he was, despite watching his mediocre performances game after game.
You know when you see him saying he is the most productive creative attacking player in the league that he is just impossible to have an actual discussion with regarding Bruno, and how he claims Bruno should have assists for other players' passes.
I think “press resistant” is going straight to the top of my list of pretentious bullshit football buzz words we never needed and could have done without. Right up there with trequartista and double pivot.
Yep +1
I think most on here are just talking about their opinions. Also positive ones and negative ones. As I said, it comes across like an attempt to distract, if it wasn't meant as that, don't bother, just saying how it looks to me. And you are obviously right, no player lives in a vacuum but on the same manner, Bruno is influencing his team mates just as well. And, again to me it seems like, you are picturing him as if he only effects them positively with his chance creation and his business. I am not at all heated about you but there are a few others who aren't as calm as you and when people are called bad fans when they question the supposedly best player for us than this will always lead to heated debates - which wouldn't even be an issue if the so called whining, whinging and negativity sticker would used shortly after. Of course, some of that behaviour is also apparent on the other side of the debate and thats why I am trying to find out why you seem to deflect on others performance levels when the topic in here is Bruno. The whole world is celebrating him, Statman Dave makes sure of it, same as United social media.
The big game player/flat track bully thing has always been the dumbest stick to beat any player with.
Dont bother. Some folks just don't want anything new to their lifes. Which is fine I guess, some are just in this for entertainment. Their resentful tone should just be ignored, they will go away soon enough.Why? I don’t get why people take issue with using footballing terminology to summarily convey a meaning. It’s also been used for well over a decade.