Based Adnan
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Constant hero ball football
I know he’s been de facto captain and is currently captain but is his game mature enough? You know you’re not playing well, nothing is working for you but you keep trying daft things like shooting from 40 yards and these stupid flicks.
Just allow your team retain possession and keep some composure but this guy has a knack of finding a way to concede possession.
The other thing is, is there a world class midfielder that gets dispossessed as easily as this guy?
Managers are pampering him because they know he usually delivers the goods which hides the poor shows he is central through giving away possession in every play. Even the likes of De Bruyne, Zidane etc didn't try to play a killer ball every move, you pick your moments. The manager has to tell him to cut that shit out or bench him if he doesn't want.I know he’s been de facto captain and is currently captain but is his game mature enough? You know you’re not playing well, nothing is working for you but you keep trying daft things like shooting from 40 yards and these stupid flicks.
Just allow your team retain possession and keep some composure but this guy has a knack of finding a way to concede possession.
The other thing is, is there a world class midfielder that gets dispossessed as easily as this guy?
I’ve never been a fan of his style but it’s hard to criticize when he produces so many good moments. But my God, when he’s bad, he is an abomination.
Lovely pass to create the opening for the goal but otherwise he was dreadful. You can’t control games with performances like these.
But the problem is that we are unable to create consistent attacks with him in the side because he gives the ball away so frequently. So many attacks die when he has the ball.I thought it was a typical Bruno-type of performance. Largely forgettable, and then does something special which led to the goal. He can get away with that. He is the only one that can get away with that.
But the problem is that we are unable to create consistent attacks with him in the side because he gives the ball away so frequently. So many attacks die when he has the ball.
He should have been replaced – but we are back in similar territory to when Maguire was captain – the armband makes him undroppable.
Most if it is down to him not willing to engage his defender and use his body to protect the ball, he's also slow and can't progress the ball while running and can't dribble. Therefore when he receives the ball he plays the first pass he sees and rushes it. When he has space and time he's alright, it's when he receives the ball in tight spaces that he just tries the first pass he sees cos he can't dribble out of trouble or use his body to protect the ball, he's a technically very limited player and one of the reasons why I dislike 10s that can't dribble. Compare him to Odegaard for example, night and day...His decision making with passing is just dumbfounding.
It's illogical. He attempts passes that even the best passers ever would have a hard time hitting successfully.
Not a fan to be honest. I don’t think his play style suits a team wanting to win big trophies
But the problem is that we are unable to create consistent attacks with him in the side because he gives the ball away so frequently. So many attacks die when he has the ball.
He should have been replaced – but we are back in similar territory to when Maguire was captain – the armband makes him undroppable.
Most if it is down to him not willing to engage his defender and use his body to protect the ball, he's also slow and can't progress the ball while running and can't dribble. Therefore when he receives the ball he plays the first pass he sees and rushes it. When he has space and time he's alright, it's when he receives the ball in tight spaces that he just tries the first pass he sees cos he can't dribble out of trouble or use his body to protect the ball, he's a technically very limited player and one of the reasons why I dislike 10s that can't dribble. Compare him to Odegaard for example, night and day...
We can carry a creative player who gives the ball away a lot. Bruno's pass creation was 68% last night. KDB's was 60%. Odegaard 79%.
What screws us (and is very different to those two teams) is the carelessness of the players in midfield behind Bruno. Casemiro/Mount averaged 79%. Rice/Havertz averaged 90%. Rodri 97% ()
3 of them. Our midfield yesterday are dreadful in tight spaces and ball retention. Mount, Bruno and Casemiro are the most Anti ETH Ajax type players. It's actually quite confusing. I'm worried he's trying to do the whole transition thing when it's not what he's good at and he's never done it before.Agreed, but most of our fans struggle to see these deficiencies and instead choose blind worship of the player because he's a world class creator. You're VERY limited when you employ midfielders that can't carry the ball well or navigate tight spaces, and we have two of them in Bruno and Casemiro.
A hundred percent this.We can carry a creative player who gives the ball away a lot. Bruno's pass creation was 68% last night. KDB's was 60%. Odegaard 79%.
What screws us (and is very different to those two teams) is the carelessness of the players in midfield behind Bruno. Casemiro/Mount averaged 79%. Rice/Havertz averaged 90%. Rodri 97% ()
A hundred percent this.
Take Bruno out of that team and there is zero creativity or risk.
Bruno is an incredibly good player and would easily start in most premiership if not all premiership teams.
When we are so poor on the ball in other areas it only highlights Bruno's risky passes more.
3 of them. Our midfield yesterday are dreadful in tight spaces and ball retention. Mount, Bruno and Casemiro are the most Anti ETH Ajax type players. It's actually quite confusing. I'm worried he's trying to do the whole transition thing when it's not what he's good at and he's never done it before.
We can carry a creative player who gives the ball away a lot. Bruno's pass creation was 68% last night. KDB's was 60%. Odegaard 79%.
What screws us (and is very different to those two teams) is the carelessness of the players in midfield behind Bruno. Casemiro/Mount averaged 79%. Rice/Havertz averaged 90%. Rodri 97% ()
This isn't true, you'd just have another 10.A hundred percent this.
Take Bruno out of that team and there is zero creativity or risk.
Bruno is an incredibly good player and would easily start in most premiership if not all premiership teams.
When we are so poor on the ball in other areas it only highlights Bruno's risky passes more.
Agreed, but most of our fans struggle to see these deficiencies and instead choose blind worship of the player because he's a world class creator. You're VERY limited when you employ midfielders that can't carry the ball well or navigate tight spaces, and we have two of them in Bruno and Casemiro.
Absolutely nailed it.Been saying this for years. Fernandes is fantastic at creating chances. One of the very best. The problem is, you only spend a very small portion of your time actually creating chances in a football match, and he isn’t very good at anything else. First and foremost, at top level midfield play, you need to have strong basics. Whether you are the defensive midfielder, the creative midfielder, the metronomic midfielder or any other iteration - FIRST AND FOREMOST, you need to be comfortable receiving the ball, shaping yourself, passing it short, passing it accurately, beating a man who is pressing, and having a footballing brain to make a series of innocuous sensible decisions etc. That is the foundation of playing any central midfield role, especially for a top club. Kanté is no De Bruyne, but he is very comfortable receiving the ball, resisting pressure and passing to the same colour shirt. You can’t be a midfielder in a team’s engine room effectively relying upon a ‘party trick’.
Creating chances is very useful, it’s just too small a part of a 90 minute match for it to determine whether or not you have played well. That is for strikers. Even 10s must do the basics consistently well. Some 10s do the basics very well and attract comments like ‘if he can just improve his output he will be really special’. That’s the icing on the cake which differentiates the very best of course, but you can’t be all icing and no cake otherwise you start to be as much of a hindrance as an asset to your team.
I really do fear for our midfield this season on current viewing. Too many fundamentals are simply missing.
Agree. Although I will not belittle chance creation capability of an AM as just icing on the cake, but I do fully agree that to get to that position, a midfielder needs to do all the basics rights otherwise most the time he can be a liability.Been saying this for years. Fernandes is fantastic at creating chances. One of the very best. The problem is, you only spend a very small portion of your time actually creating chances in a football match, and he isn’t very good at anything else. First and foremost, at top level midfield play, you need to have strong basics. Whether you are the defensive midfielder, the creative midfielder, the metronomic midfielder or any other iteration - FIRST AND FOREMOST, you need to be comfortable receiving the ball, shaping yourself, passing it short, passing it accurately, beating a man who is pressing, and having a footballing brain to make a series of innocuous sensible decisions etc. That is the foundation of playing any central midfield role, especially for a top club. Kanté is no De Bruyne, but he is very comfortable receiving the ball, resisting pressure and passing to the same colour shirt. You can’t be a midfielder in a team’s engine room effectively relying upon a ‘party trick’.
Creating chances is very useful, it’s just too small a part of a 90 minute match for it to determine whether or not you have played well. That is for strikers. Even 10s must do the basics consistently well. Some 10s do the basics very well and attract comments like ‘if he can just improve his output he will be really special’. That’s the icing on the cake which differentiates the very best of course, but you can’t be all icing and no cake otherwise you start to be as much of a hindrance as an asset to your team.
I really do fear for our midfield this season on current viewing. Too many fundamentals are simply missing.
Same as Rashford. You can get away with one not two. Creates too much chaos.Such a frustrating player. Plays like shit for most of the game but has a moment which creates a match winning goal.
You say this like the rest are any better at least from them two you have the chance of a bit of magic. The problems from last night ran through the whole team from Cas looking dead on his feet, the defence and midfield for the most part looked shaky as hell and the forwards doing the square root of nothing all game. Don't think you can pin all them problems on Bruno and Rashford if I'm being honest.Same as Rashford. You can get away with one not two. Creates too much chaos.
Yeah but that should be good enough for any player. Don't know why consider that good.Classic Bruno, very poor for 99.9% of the game but for that 0.1% of the game he does something sublime.
Agree. Although I will not belittle chance creation capability of an AM as just icing on the cake, but I do fully agree that to get to that position, a midfielder needs to do all the basics rights otherwise most the time he can be a liability.