[Pscholes18]

Even our most productive player post-SAF has gone to shit under ETH in terms of production.

Also, we need to sell him while he has any value left. He's only going to get worse.

He was shite before ETH came.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

He was shite before ETH came.

Not in production which was my main point.

His production levels are the worst under ETH from any manager he's worked with.

 

[Amar__]

Not in production which was my main point.

His production levels are the worst under ETH from any manager he's worked with.

Yeah, but have you seen his "what might have been stats"?

 

[Bondi77]

Dalot gets sent off for dissent and all our Captain does is remonstrate with the Ref everytime a decision goes against him....dumb as.

 

[Coops73]

He’s one of our best players but I firmly believe he has to go. Bored of the moaning, bored of the failed Hollywood balls.

I believe we need a better no.10 and a better captain.

 

[Lay]

Absolute bluffer. I wish we listened to the scouts more who said not to sign him

 

[Lyng]

I must be weird because I really dont see how Bruno gets any blame for the match against West ham.
All the blame surely must fall on Ten Hag for setting us up to fail. Starting McT and Bruno together again, despite it never really working, and the subs which where downright bad.
Bruno should be our 10 with a balanced midfield behind him. As long as Ten hag refuses to do that I cannot blame Bruno. Just like I cannot fault Højlund as long as he is forced to play with Garnacho and Antony.

 

[Scandi Red]

I must be weird because I really dont see how Bruno gets any blame for the match against West ham.

You're not weird. Apart from one or two clever passes the only thing he did was to recycle possession. Not good of course, but he was the least of our problems in midfield and attack.

 

[redNATION]

Compared to other elite no 10s / attacking midfielders in Europe - like KdB, Bellingham, Musiala, Odegaard, it’s clear Bruno is well below the standard a team needs if it has ambitions of winning the title and champions league.

 

[Tony247]

He needs a creative partner in the midfield who is disciplined and is a disciplinarian. A partner who can open the game for him so that he can finish it with assist or goal. We play far far better when Eriksen is by his side.

 

[united for life]

He’s one of our best players but I firmly believe he has to go. Bored of the moaning, bored of the failed Hollywood balls.

I believe we need a better no.10 and a better captain.

we also need a better right back, a better center back, a better cm, a better right winger, a better left winger and w better striker. It’s about what is priority and I think him moving is no way near one

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Compared to other elite no 10s / attacking midfielders in Europe - like KdB, Bellingham, Musiala, Odegaard, it’s clear Bruno is well below the standard a team needs if it has ambitions of winning the title and champions league.

It’s clear, is it?

Go to Fbref and compare Bruno and Odegaard’s stats from this season. Then take a moment to think about the respective quality of the team mates they’re linking up with.

 

[lex talionis]

Bruno wasn’t the problem yesterday, but he wasn’t the solution either. Physically, he’s there but mentally he looks like he’s somewhere else.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

we also need a better right back, a better center back, a better cm, a better right winger, a better left winger and w better striker. It’s about what is priority and I think him moving is no way near one

He’s one of the only players with decently significant sell on value. Which means it should be a priority

 

[kouroux]

It’s clear, is it?

Go to Fbref and compare Bruno and Odegaard’s stats from this season. Then take a moment to think about the respective quality of the team mates they’re linking up with.

It's more than just stats though, man is the captain but whenever the going gets tough, he shrinks, he become super petulant and doesn't lead by any example whatsoever. In a collective clusterfeck, you'd want your creative player and captain to try to keep a cool head, not argue, dive and moan at any opportunity

 

[united for life]

He’s one of the only players with decently significant sell on value. Which means it should be a priority

and that value is derived of the fact he is useless and should be sold?

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

and that value is derived of the fact he is useless and should be sold?

That value is derived of what popular opinion in the footballing world is of him. People think Bruno is one of the best midfielders in the world thus we’d get a great fee for a 30 year old that we can’t build around. It’s just good business

 

[Pogue Mahone]

It's more than just stats though, man is the captain but whenever the going gets tough, he shrinks, he become super petulant and doesn't lead by any example whatsoever. In a collective clusterfeck, you'd want your creative player and captain to try to keep a cool head, not argue, dive and moan at any opportunity

It’s irritating but in the grand scheme of the many many flaws in this squad and the substandard players littered throughout it, Bruno being a petulant twat is completely insignificant. It has absolutely nothing to do with us winning or losing football matches. It’s really only relevant here because of how it seems to piss a lot of people off so much they seem unable to be objective about the actual quality of his performance.

 

[fergiewherearethou]

Compared to other elite no 10s / attacking midfielders in Europe - like KdB, Bellingham, Musiala, Odegaard, it’s clear Bruno is well below the standard a team needs if it has ambitions of winning the title and champions league.

Is he bellow standard for us or are we bellow standard for him? He was very good for about 2 years then he dropped of.
I see him scoring and assisting almost every game for Portugal so honestly I don't know what to believe anymore.

 

[Pscholes18]

Is he bellow standard for us or are we bellow standard for him? He was very good for about 2 years then he dropped of.
I see him scoring and assisting almost every game for Portugal so honestly I don't know what to believe anymore.

International matches a different than Premier League games. Plus every time he seems to score or get plaudits from Portugal matches, it's against shite sides.

 

[kouroux]

It’s irritating but in the grand scheme of the many many flaws in this squad and the substandard players littered throughout it, Bruno being a petulant twat is completely insignificant. It has absolutely nothing to do with us winning or losing football matches. It’s really only relevant here because of how it seems to piss a lot of people off so much they seem unable to be objective about the actual quality of his performance.

What's an objective assessment of the quality of his performances then ? Enlighten us.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

What's an objective assessment of the quality of his performances then ? Enlighten us.

The stats I referenced in my previous post.

Either that or watch his performances without bias. And don’t get me wrong, there have been some poor performances this season (although less frequent than almost every other player at the club) but there’s been a trend in this thread recently of absolutely rinsing decent performances. Which the stats can prove to be down to bias.

 

[Lewnited]

The stats I referenced in my previous post.

Either that or watch his performances without bias. And don’t get me wrong, there have been some poor performances this season (although less frequent than almost every other player at the club) but there’s been a trend in this thread recently of absolutely rinsing decent performances. Which the stats can prove to be down to bias.

The point at the core of the ongoing Bruno debate is that stats dont actually paint the picture that you see on the pitch.

Stats aren't showing you the moments a player shifts their body and feet when receiving the ball to buy an extra second. Stats aren't showing you when an action leading to a 'chance' completely kills a period of sustained pressure. Stats aren't showing you when the weight of a pass that reaches it's target isn't sufficient to keep the pace of the attack.

These intricacies are where the discussion is had regarding Bruno, it doesn't take much to spend 5 minutes on Fbref or Whoscored and see that he's able to put up decent numbers. He's a decent player, but he's also the captain and is rightly held to a higher standard. The consistency in making brain dead decisions in important moments in games makes him just as replaceable as anyone else for me.

 

[Blood Mage]

He's looked like a player in decline this season to be honest. His engine has gone and he's not been as sharp.

I think we should cash in and bed Mount in as our new no.10.

 

[KeanoMagicHat]

He's looked like a player in decline this season to be honest. His engine has gone and he's not been as sharp.

I think we should cash in and bed Mount in as our new no.10.

What has Mount ever showed to be as good as Bruno?

 

[André Dominguez]

Needs two solid holding midfielders to get the best out of him. Unfortunately for him, this season all our squad performances has been crap which shows that he's not one of those self-sufficient players who can solve games by it's own many people thought he is.

 

[Litch]

Reminds me of the Pogba signing, the kind of players that should be the cherry on the top of the cake, not the main ingredient.
Sometimes signings are too good to be true and you wonder, how come we got them so relatively easy, no Bayern or Real being in the chase.....now we know why.

 

[The United]

Reminds me of the Pogba signing, the kind of players that should be the cherry on the top of the cake, not the main ingredient.
Sometimes signings are too good to be true and you wonder, how come we got them so relatively easy, no Bayern or Real being in the chase.....now we know why.

His signing was not the Pogba's. Nothing at all like that.

 

[Litch]

His signing was not the Pogba's. Nothing at all like that.

Beg to differ, whats different...and Im not talking about price. Im talking about the type of signing. Both can look get individually but not benefit the team. Both rarely turn up in big matches too.

 

[Blood Mage]

What has Mount ever showed to be as good as Bruno?

Mount has better ball retention and a better engine. His final ball is nowhere near Bruno's but right now we just need a midfielder with energy who won't constantly lose the ball.

 

[JPRouve]

Beg to differ, whats different...and Im not talking about price. Im talking about the type of signing. Both can look get individually but not benefit the team. Both rarely turn up in big matches too.

Pogba's best games were likely during big matches against City, Chelsea and Arsenal.

 

[Litch]

Pogba's best games were likely during big matches against City, Chelsea and Arsenal.

Yep but were extremely rare.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Pogba's best games were likely during big matches against City, Chelsea and Arsenal.

Those were just as likely to be his worst. Bruno has yet to concede stupid penalties in any of those fixtures. Pogba did it at least twice.

 

[JPRouve]

Yep but were extremely rare.

Not really. Pogba was generally a key reason behind our ability to be good against good teams while we were losing points against power teams. The same applies to Rashford or Martial.

I get the idea that Bruno and Pogba have in common the fact that while both are talented players they lack on field leadership and most important game management skills but they are on opposite side of the spectrum when it comes to big games or big moments, Pogba is a gameraiser while Bruno is a flat-track bully.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Not really. Pogba was generally a key reason behind our ability to be good against good teams while we were losing points against power teams. The same applies to Rashford or Martial.

I get the idea that Bruno and Pogba have in common the fact that while both are talented players they lack on field leadership and most important game management skills but they are on opposite side of the spectrum when it comes to big games or big moments, Pogba is a gameraiser while Bruno is a flat-track bully.

Not true at all.

 

[Chaky_Best]

Bruno is a natural second striker, converted into a 10 that plays as a 8 since teh beginning of the season.

He's not as productive as he was under Ole, but with sh*t forwards like Rashford, Hojlund, Garnacho, Antony or Pellistri and midfielders lile Mc Tominay he can't do anything.

We are usually harsh towards him

 

[Litch]

Not really. Pogba was generally a key reason behind our ability to be good against good teams while we were losing points against power teams. The same applies to Rashford or Martial.

I get the idea that Bruno and Pogba have in common the fact that while both are talented players they lack on field leadership and most important game management skills but they are on opposite side of the spectrum when it comes to big games or big moments, Pogba is a gameraiser while Bruno is a flat-track bully.

....more the latter as you have suggested. Still think Pogs didnt turn up often enough especially when it matters. I think the city game is the one that most will remember....

 

[JPRouve]

Not true at all.

Not true at all.

One has multiple actually great performances against top teams at club and international while the other doesn't.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

One has multiple actually great performances against top teams at club and international while the other doesn't.

Forget international. They both have some good (but never great) performances for the club against top teams. Most recently, Bruno scored against City last season and was very good against Barca (twice). Pogba maybe has slightly more good games against top teams? Not that many though. And a bunch of poor ones, including games where he directly cost us the result by conceding ridiculous penalties. It’s also funny that the City game where he scored a couple of goals gets hailed as a classic Pogba big game performance when he was absolutely diabolical for the whole of the first half.

 

[JPRouve]

Forget international. They both have some good (but never great) performances for the club against top teams. Most recently, Bruno scored against City last season and was very good against Barca (twice). Pogba maybe has slightly more good games against top teams? Not that many though. And a bunch of poor ones, including games where he directly cost us the result by conceding ridiculous penalties. It’s also funny that the City game where he scored a couple of goals gets hailed as a classic Pogba big game performance when he was absolutely diabolical for the whole of the first half.

Fair enough. Regarding the bolded part do you recognize the same thing for Bruno?