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Very good post. Fully agree. (Never apologize for long posts, there are people in here who enjoy reading thoughts.)Whenever Bruno speaks in interviews, he comes across as intelligent and thoughtful. On the pitch though, it's entirely the opposite. He lacks in-game intelligence, he undermines his teammates (and not in the Keano sort of way where he's trying to pull them up to improve standards), and prone to strops/dives. When things are going against us, he doesn't seem to have the strength of character/will power to try and pull things around, but rather shows emotional outbursts which does our team no good.
If it was just mental attributes then we can maybe look past it (I suppose few footballers are great personalities/leaders, just like in other industries). But the biggest problem with Bruno is his playing style. If we were a counter-attacking, set up to absorb pressure and hit teams on the counter then he's world-class in my opinion (we saw this in the first couple of seasons since he signed for us; his goals/assists were off the charts). He's great in transitions and his high volume of high risk passes/attempts mean that he's able to make an impact goal contributions wise. But he's terrible at controlling the tempo of a game (a key requirement for a no. 10 in a possession based team). He cannot hold onto the ball (doesn't have presence, ball holding skills, and can't exchange passes with teammates to retain possession). We saw a bit of that today with Weghorst in No. 10 role where he helped the team (in a small way in the first half) to retain and progress the ball with his presence (something that I've never seen Bruno do and I suspect why ETH played him wide). He always looks for risky passes because that's the only way he can create impact (and he's good at that). So for us going forward, he's a poor fit stylistically to become a possession dominant team.
In my opinion today was just the worst case scenario of what's usually the case with him. His performances and attitude in big games, not just this season but under previous managers as well (Europe League final instantly springs to mind) is proof of that. Hope I'm wrong and ETH is able to find a way to fit him into a successful team (obviously has his strengths, but also plenty of weaknesses both playing-wise and behavior-wise).
Apologies for the long post. Needed to vent a bit to get that result out of my system. Bruno was far from the only one to get blame for today (there were plenty of others such as Shaw), but him with armband stuck out like a sore thumb.
I thought, the ref was pretty nice to us. Martinez could have got a red card for his action in 1st half, I know there was another situation for Pool but still. Don't think, it makes sense to act as if his frustration was down to injustice by the ref. He was frustrated about himself and his team mates.How did he lose his head? The ref wasn't giving us anything, should he have done a Maguire and just keep quiet?
Maybe he does need a rest, he has played a lot, but for anyone in this thread defending him you cannot look at this and then say that. Attitude wise - as the captain of Manchester United - this is an absolute disgrace and he needs to be benched for multiple games, it’s pathetic how much he gave up, weak mentality.
He can't be the captain anymore, he's too hot headed. Instead of cooling down the team and guiding he's the first one to panic and start doing stupid things. That's not a good leader, I much rather use Casemiro as captain.
He can't be the captain anymore, he's too hot headed. Instead of cooling down the team and guiding he's the first one to panic and start doing stupid things. That's not a good leader, I much rather use Casemiro as captain.
Should be benched for Bettis and Southampton for that performance. If ten Hag benches Ronaldo and Maguire, don't see why he can't be here. He gave up and was also extremely unprofessional. I really can't stand him on the pitch. Whiner, flopper, diver, and just a really maddening player. It's made even more frustrating by the fact he seems normal in interviews and smart. Not sure why he's such a disgrace on the pitch attitude wise.
I don't think he would be there is a reason why he plays the way he plays , he is actually doing great relative to his limited skill set he has to get rid of the ball quickly because he isn't press resistant can't dribble and is quite weak to engage in any sort of physical duels .If he had half the composure Eriksen has he would be world class.
Edit- Typo
Unfortunately real life is in constant auto-save mode.Said he’d eventually get pushed out wide. The most non creative 10 I’ve ever seen compared to his reputation.
When I was younger I played Championship Manager with Stilian Petrov as a 10 and won the league. His position was CM and DM. I mugged the game like Bruno is mugging his position.
In a long run, we need a better captain. However, it's understandable that he's next in line for wearing the captain at the moment. We know our squad used to lack leaders. The capable leaders are too new to the club.
They're too new in the club. Changing captain mid season is a no no unless the captain himself leave the club mid season.That was the case in Sept but definitely not now.
Theres zero doubt that the players will now all have much more respect for the likes of Casemiro, Varane and Martinez than Bruno. In terms of the examples they set on the pitch and their leadership skills.
Okay the Real lads have a language barrier but Lisandro speaks perfect English. If he’s going to inevitably end up captain then just do it now so we can stop letting Bruno tarnish it.
They're too new in the club. Changing captain mid season is a no no unless the captain himself leave the club mid season.
I would call your opinion nonsense in kind too.Nonsense.
The club captain is still Maguire anyway. Bruno gets the armband by default and now he’s humiliated the club one too many times wearing it, it’s time to make a more permanent decision.
It would call your opinion nonsense too.
How many players given captaincy in their first season at the new club (I helped you with Maguire)? And how many that is justified?
This exactly. I'm not surprised he played poorly, he's been playing poorly for a few weeks now. But the quitting attitude, especially as captain of the fecking side, it's embarrassing and honestly he should never wear that armband again. He's never shown a real leadership anyways compared to some of our other players, and his diving and rattiness isn't acceptable for a captain on the pitch. Give it to one of the CB's or Casemiro. And fecking leave this guy out of the squad at midweek as well as a wake up call
There is captain, vice captains. It's very relevant in team sport that there is an hierarchy. You don't just bypass that. If you make new vice captain, then it's an official move.Irrelevant, you pick a captain every game based on who of the starting players is best suited. Doesn’t even have to be made official right now, like it isn’t official with Bruno.
Whenever Bruno speaks in interviews, he comes across as intelligent and thoughtful. On the pitch though, it's entirely the opposite. He lacks in-game intelligence, he undermines his teammates (and not in the Keano sort of way where he's trying to pull them up to improve standards), and prone to strops/dives. When things are going against us, he doesn't seem to have the strength of character/will power to try and pull things around, but rather shows emotional outbursts which does our team no good.
If it was just mental attributes then we can maybe look past it (I suppose few footballers are great personalities/leaders, just like in other industries). But the biggest problem with Bruno is his playing style. If we were a counter-attacking, set up to absorb pressure and hit teams on the counter then he's world-class in my opinion (we saw this in the first couple of seasons since he signed for us; his goals/assists were off the charts). He's great in transitions and his high volume of high risk passes/attempts mean that he's able to make an impact goal contributions wise. But he's terrible at controlling the tempo of a game (a key requirement for a no. 10 in a possession based team). He cannot hold onto the ball (doesn't have presence, ball holding skills, and can't exchange passes with teammates to retain possession). We saw a bit of that today with Weghorst in No. 10 role where he helped the team (in a small way in the first half) to retain and progress the ball with his presence (something that I've never seen Bruno do and I suspect why ETH played him wide). He always looks for risky passes because that's the only way he can create impact (and he's good at that). So for us going forward, he's a poor fit stylistically to become a possession dominant team.
In my opinion today was just the worst case scenario of what's usually the case with him. His performances and attitude in big games, not just this season but under previous managers as well (Europe League final instantly springs to mind) is proof of that. Hope I'm wrong and ETH is able to find a way to fit him into a successful team (obviously has his strengths, but also plenty of weaknesses both playing-wise and behavior-wise).
Apologies for the long post. Needed to vent a bit to get that result out of my system. Bruno was far from the only one to get blame for today (there were plenty of others such as Shaw), but him with armband stuck out like a sore thumb.
As much as I love Bruno, I am not sure I would be sad to see him leave the club.
That's why I was surprised to see ETH take to Bruno and pretty much play him every game.
And as I wrote elsewhere agree very much about him not being a fit for a style of play designed to control the game. He doesn't help progress the ball like KDB or Odegaard do. Part of the reason why we have so much difficulty without Eriksen in progressing the ball up the pitch.
I like him a lot, but I think for the team to take the next step he will have to be phased out. I think in this current team, ETH has decided to go transition heavy and obviously in that style Bruno is very useful.
Question is does ETH want us to develop into a team like City/Arsenal with the goal of controlling games? or continue to develop on this style with better players? For me the first option is the best way to go for the league.
The moment where he started rolling about after a non incident with Konate was embarrassing. We’re getting hammered and you want your captain to show a cool head not be anonymous only to show up for whining and cryingYou can have a shit game (last night it was a collective clusterfeck) but the petulance and arrogance are unacceptable. He was a disgrace last, strip him of the armband. A joke he still wears it tbh, this guy ain't no leader
That cheating aspect of the game is engrained in him. It's cute and all when we're winning but when the chips are down, it's when you see the real character of people. Disgraceful behaviorThe moment where he started rolling about after a non incident with Konate was embarrassing. We’re getting hammered and you want your captain to show a cool head not be anonymous only to show up for whining and crying
But my concern is more about little he was involved all game. How can we compete in midfield with just two players and Bruno wandering about not helping out. Rooney dropped deep more than this fellow - he seems to think he’s a number9 and his finishing doesn’t support that either
I can only presume you didn't watch the game.How did he lose his head? The ref wasn't giving us anything, should he have done a Maguire and just keep quiet?
No one can watch the game and actually be serious about this question.How did he lose his head? The ref wasn't giving us anything, should he have done a Maguire and just keep quiet?
Losing his head was when he had a go at the ref for giving them every decision. Or if he got sent off. What you described was dropping his head along with the rest of the team.I can only presume you didn't watch the game.
He spent the whole of the second half not bothering to do any defensive work, feigning injury, moaning to the ref and sulking. Its like he was so wrapped up on his bullshit he stopped playing football.
Maguire isn't a great leader either but he has no been so obviously unprofessional during the game. Also, why bring up Maguire when we have the likes of casemiro in the squad who are much better leaders.
No one was good yesterday, but no one was so obviously unprofessional in the way Bruno was. He often looks like a liability in these big games, gives the bl away constantly and then spends a lot of time bitching and moaning
What a crock of shit, he did both and it was very obvious he had lost his head before it became a route. Also the focus in the ref is pathetic, Liverpool may have got more decisions but it didn't drastically alter the outcome and wasn't why we got hammeredLosing his head was when he had a go at the ref for giving them every decision. Or if he got sent off. What you described was dropping his head along with the rest of the team.
Bruno whines all the time. He is unbearable, if he was playing for another team, he'd one of the most hated player easily.For anyone who watches basketball, Bruno reminds me of Luka Doncic. Whingy and pathetic when they lose, showboaty when winning.
What Bruno did yesterday was beyond embarassing, threw in the towel from 2-0 onwards. Should be stripped of vice-captaincy for a little while.
I thought he had a point with a few shouts, for example Fabinho was allowed to whack our players in the face before he got booked for something else afterwards. Not saying the ref was responsible for the result but he certainly didn't make it any easier.What a crock of shit, he did both and it was very obvious he had lost his head before it became a route. Also the focus in the ref is pathetic, Liverpool may have got more decisions but it didn't drastically alter the outcome and wasn't why we got hammered
Bad enough without the strops and injury feigning while your team are under the cosh from your own mistakes.
