Brentan Rodgers
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You're taking logic into consideration. The hype machine would have exploded had they won it.
They wouldn't have been "underdogs" either way. I'm sure their fans are delighted that they retain their underdog tag. I hope they keep it forever.
Not according to Rodgers, he said he told them the important thing was to get the 3 points when 1-0 up at half time and that catching city on goal difference was hugely unrealistic, I think they got a bit excited at 3-0 but he should take stick, as should the captain for not taking control of the game at 3-1 or even 3-2.
Now that they aren't going to win the league I can say with honesty that they've been a breath of fresh air this season. I'm not sure I've ever seen a team with 148 total goals in their matches, I'm sure its a lot of excitement and stress for Liverpool fans, but I don't think they've had a single boring game this season and that's good for football.
But as Pulis said, when asked if he was surprised Liverpool kept pushing on leaving space, "No they've done that all season".
As much as it's funny to laugh at Glen Johnson and the Liverpool defence I don't think Monday night was a case of them going maverick at all. It's what they've done all year. Which is what struck me as odd as Rodgers distancing himself as he did from their performance as if it was aberrant to how his team had lined up and played (presumably under his instruction) all season.
I've watched most of their games this season, while they do keep attacking til the end of the game I've seen them control games while winning by keeping possession at the back and in midfield. They do have a very young team and that lack of experience may have just cost them the title.
Arsenal at the moment will always have around £30m a season more than Liverpool to spend on wages (around £50m turnover). Their income will increase pretty drastically now that they aren't tied to their long term front loaded commercial deals and they earn £50m more per season from match day takings alone. Liverpool can probably compete on a player by player basis (ie £200k for Suarez), but they won't be able to compete in terms of a full squad.
I think expecting £60-70m net is a bit of a stretch. Can you imagine if you spent that and did not finish in the top 4? Liverpool are already walking a very tight line in terms of their expenses, and even with Champions League income and an increase in TV money I can't see the owners gambling all of this money on perpetual Champions League success. I'd think closer to £40-50m will be spent net and given the fact that you require 5-6 players you will be shopping in the bargain basement, rather than the Ozil caliber.
I think 4th next season and getting through the CL group would be a great 3rd season for Rodgers to build on. Especially bearing in mind that Liverpool with be in the 3rd or 4th pot and could face a group akin to City's last season. The bolded quote is particularly concerning for Rodgers, Liverpool fans are now setting a minimum expectation that they essentially overachieve vs what they can spend. I can foresee significant pressure on Rodgers if/when Liverpool finish 5th, despite him doing an excellent job.
Be surprised it that was true. Not only is their turnover 25% higher than yours, they're sat on a massive cashpile while Liverpool ran a £50M loss last financial year.
Agree with this, the difference is that they're starting from a position of strength in their squad while you're not. You need to be outspending them in order to catch up. You need both quality and quantity the rest are going for quality only.
The side have leaked more goals than all but three other sides in the top 12. I don't think you can absolve the manager of responsibility when you look at this. It's greatly unfair to put this down to a defence getting carried away. Even if it was, it was Rodger's job to stop them from doing so.
When the game was at 3-2 he brings on a forward for feck sake in Victor Moses. Rodgers cannot be allowed to distance himself from this.
He saw his side go from 3-0 to 3-1 and didn't react. From 3-1 to 3-2 and swapped one forward for another but did nothing to tighten it up at the back and then from 3-2 to 3-3. He was a complete pedestrian and cost his team. If your full backs are getting carried away, bollock them from the touchline and insist they don't. That's what he's paid for.
His "nothing to do with me gov" act didn't impress me.
And I doubt it will have gone unnoticed by the players how he seemed to absolve himself of criticism here. He might find some of the loyalty he's built this season becoming a little less fervent next season. Very poor call on his part. He could have said something like, "that's the way we've played this season, and we all share the responsibility for victories and defeats alike, but obviously now we'll have a rethink about handling this type of situation." Instead he blames poor defending. As I said elsewhere, after complaining in the previous match about two buses, he turns around in this game and throws his players under one of them. I don't think this guy is the astute manager some LFC fans think he is.
Aye, player for player is what I'm talking. You don't need a squad full of £200k pw players to win things though.
I don't. £60m is the figure being reported by a few outlets. Yeah, it's a risk we have to take. Could you imagine if you lot spend £100m and didn't? I guarantee we won't be shopping in the bargain basement. This has been something made clear by EVERY reliable news outlet. We tried that last year and it didn't work.
I can forsee significant pressure on any manager if they drop to 5th from the top four. Point being? I don't think we will drop out.
Quite I was just thinking that. The players couldn't have been impressed with it. It seemed like a case of "we succeed, you fail"
In fairness to Rodger's he's had a cracking season but they've played the numbers game of 'you score 2, we'll score 3'. I think tactically there's still a huge question mark over him.
He did similarly last season after going out of the FA cup. Many of those players have now gone onto play big roles in his squad. What managers tell the media and what they tell the players if usually vastly different.
No, taking a team in 8th to 2nd or 1st within two seasons isn't astute at all.
I've always said Rodgers downfall will be that he's a bit of a knob, similar to AVB. There's only so long before he'll start pissing players off with the epic size of his ego and sheer cuntery. The type of manager who'll do well for a while then tail off.
Of course, this is a view borne from hope as much as anything. Although, to be fair, he is a massive bellend.
Of course, this is a view borne from hope as much as anything. Although, to be fair, he is a massive bellend.
Is this perception of him having a big ego based on that giant portrait or is there more conclusive evidence?
As much as he's a bell end, the Liverpool team seem to have really (sickeningly) positive spirit so I'm not sure you can compare him to AVB in that respect.
Well he did say that his biggest mentor is himself. Lets put it this way. He isn't exactly humble.
Sterling has been really good, Sturridge has been flattered by playing next to Suarez, wait until he's the main man next season and see how he does.
Everybody hates AVB. He'd be played by David Spade or Chris Barrie in a film.
As long as he's not lying about what he said at half time then I think the players would be man enough to accept the blame here. I'd certainly prefer to watch football played that way than the way Mourinho or Allardyce would play.
I heard they've scored the most away goals of any prem season and are still top of the away table, their tactics can't be that bad.
Not sure, but for me it's mostly his pretentious press conferences where he talks mostly about himself (and sometimes in the 3rd person).
The players love him and our team spirit is the best in ages. They welcomed him with a standing ovation at our award ceremony recently.
I don't really get to see many pressers so that's fair enough.
Aye, I don't think he's at AVB levels. Fair point.
He got the "special achievement" award or something didn't he? Seems like an idol within the club and the fans already to be fair.
Come off it, he was fantastic without Suarez too.
It's a shame he looks like a gargoyle though.
Mourinho's Chelsea will get better, so will we. Man City may get complacent but you'd think they learned their lesson. Arsenal had a very good spell this season and fell away like usual. Some may say that was largely to do with injuries to key players such as Walcott and Ramsey and a lack of a real top striker. They could go out and rectify that and would be unlucky to have Ramsey and Walcott out again next season for so long.
Liverpool may spend more money but can they really attract better defenders to the club than they already have? They spent near £20 Million on Sakho and even if it is only my own opinion, I think he's wank. That's their problem. That and squad depth. Their bench is shite. They also have to play extra games next season. They were poor in the domestic cups this year (even we knocked them out
) and I see them struggling to cope with 4 competitions. How did Rodgers do in the Europa League?
Liverpool may spend more money but can they really attract better defenders to the club than they already have? They spent near £20 Million on Sakho and even if it is only my own opinion, I think he's wank. That's their problem. That and squad depth. Their bench is shite. They also have to play extra games next season. They were poor in the domestic cups this year (even we knocked them out
) and I see them struggling to cope with 4 competitions. How did Rodgers do in the Europa League?He's completely changed his media handling tbf.
I forgot about those Sunderland comments
Yeah, after claiming that Liverpool were real contenders for the title, only for them to drop points in the very next game, multiple times, the penny finally dropped.
Yeah, to be fair he has toned it down a bit.
Hands up who would take Brendan Rodgers over Louis Van Gaal this summer?
I wouldn't, but I do think Rodgers is one of the best young managers around and someone who'll be that much stronger for this season's success and ultimate heartbreak.
I forgot about those Sunderland comments
I was laughing about this last season and asked a mate who was at that game.
He said Swansea were great and Sunderland had 2 shots which both flew in from distance, he wasn't laughing and said he would have swapped MON for Rodgers there and then. Is there a video of those comments? I can only find a bbc post match one where he doesn't say any of that egotistical bollocks.
No video, but they are there.
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...sea-0-Wes-Brown-tells-Craig-Gardner-to-dig-in
We can't all have stunners like Ferguson, Pellegrini or Wenger.
I didn't say he isn't a good manager. I also didn't say he isn't astute in some ways. All I said is he doesn't seem to be the astute manager some Liverpool fans (and others) think he is. This isn't black-and-white. Anyway, the jury is still out, and we'll see. I do believe that, psychologically, that was an odd tack to take when he could have continued his previous all-for-one three musketeers approach. I hesitated before adding this, but in a way it was quite Moyes-like.
Rodgers has done it before and no doubt he'll do it again. He's the first to praise the players and he's also the first to tell them they were poor.
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