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retardman5 said:
You can argue all you want about Rodgers capabilities as a top class manager. Only the future will determine whether he is, or isn't up to the job. But the biggest challenge he faces is getting in a replacement for Steven Gerrard - Unlike Houllier, Benitez, & Dalglish, to a lesser extent, he has never had the luxury of having the lad when he was in his prime. So regardless of who is charge of LFC, they are going to have to build a side capable of winning games without having to rely on one player to pull them out of the shit every other game.

It's a big, big ask.
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Gerrard hasn't really been that player for you since 2009 though.
 
Brwned said:
The fact he had to resort to signing a middling player like Konchesky tells you he didn't have much more money, surely?
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He paid £3.5m plus two players, including Kacaniklic who has done well for Fulham. It's not that much but it isn't nothing either. At £3.5m you could find a good full back broad, besides I don't think he signed Konchesky because he didn't have money - he signed him because he rated him as a good player after Fulham.
 
Joe Allen is a feckin' crab. Sideways player, 'oh he's great, look at his pass completition!' load of shite, Downing has more assists...
 
peterstorey said:
He's been very poor, not even up to the standard of the mediocre player he was at Swansea.
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He's been one of our best players with the exception of 2/3 games recently. Whilst that might not be saying a lot at the moment, he does the job expected of him which is to provide an outlet for our defence, win the ball and move it forwards. Simple but effective.

Kid Cunto said:
Joe Allen is a feckin' crab. Sideways player, 'oh he's great, look at his pass completition!' load of shite, Downing has more assists...
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Here's a stat - he's won the ball more than any other player in the league this season. In the role he's been deployed in the 90% of the time, he's been effective.

As for how creative he can be, we'll see how he does now that Lucas is back & he can play further up the pitch. I have my reservations but to label him as 'very poor overall' so far is just wrong.
 
Kid Cunto said:
Joe Allen is a feckin' crab. Sideways player, 'oh he's great, look at his pass completition!' load of shite, Downing has more assists...
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:eek:

Another from the "A midfielder just has to be able to pass the ball forward" camp eh?

Allen has made a very good contribution to Liverpool's ball winning, something he did pretty well at Swansea too. But it was overlooked then almost as much as it is now. Aside from his defensive contribution, yes his passing is about controlling the game and spreading the ball rather than creating chances. He doesn't really get forward enough to do much of that anyway. All in all he makes a couple of interceptions and a couple of tackles each match, gets on the ball the most of their players and doesnt give it away. Thats not bad at all.
 
Nah, not been overly impressed with him... For someone Rodgers labelled 'the Welsh Xavi'... He's an OK centre midfielder, and he's young, but I've yet to see him in a game, Swansea included, and thought: 'Yeah, there's a great young midfielder there.'
 
Strange really, I thought Allen was an attacking mid when he was at Swansea. He seems to be playing the role at Liverpool that Britton was for Swansea.
 
I've not been impressed at all by Allen really. From the Jordan Henderson-school of midfielding.
 
Kid Cunto said:
Santi Cazorla.
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Cazorla played in the hole or on the wing. He's missing the young part, although I didnt specify that like you did. But I wouldnt really consider him great despite being one of his earlier fans on here.

In fact I've been a little dissappointed with his rushed shots, was expecting him to catch a lot more like he did to score against us because he has that in his locker.

He certainly cant be compared to Allen
 
Dembele ?

Fellaini cost similar, no ? Though a few seasons ago.
 
Sandro at Spurs ? Park Chu Young and De Guzman are doing well at Swansea too.

Allen has been Decent for Liverpoool. Not poor, not good.


Edit - Btw, don't think Lucas and him together will work too well.
 
I think some people classify "great" a bit easier than I do. For me there are maybe two handfuls of "great" central midfielders around the world.

None of them were signed for £15 million as far as I can remember. But my point was more that for a long time that kind of sum has bought you the likes of Hargreaves and Carrick. While I'm sure Liverpool fans will hope there's more to come from Allen, I think he's been okay and will fit in the same category
 
Allen is not bad but not what the Pool fans think of him as.

Decent player.
 
Allen is a decent water carrier. If Rodgers can buy good players around him to supply then he'll prove a good player. At the price tag he was signed for he'll need many a solid season to justify himself as a good signing. Far too early at the moment.
 
Can you believe this sh*t from Rodgers?

When Brendan Rodgers walks into a room, it's hard not to take notice. Surprisingly short in stature, he more than makes up for it with a presence that's so instantly charismatic, he has grown men almost bowing to him as he shakes their hands.

RAWK is at Melwood for another Q&A with the forums, and all of us here have two burning questions:

What's going to happen in the January transfer window?
and
What the hell happened against Villa?

The former, is a question Rodgers is understandably reticent to answer, the main reason being he simply doesn't know and, even if he did, it would be a bit stupid to tell a bunch of websites his game plan. He wants "2 or 3 players", but won't be drawn on specifics, except to say, a bit obviously, that there are "areas which need support" and "we need to bring in goalscorers". Understandably, Rodgers is wary of the press and discourages fans from believing anything they read in the papers.

About the Villa game, Rodgers is quite clear on what went so wrong. "Last weekend, it's probably as confident as we've been [before the game]. But what we lost last week, for me, was graft, sheer hard graft. That was missing from our game."

The players, he reckons, were suffering from a major bout of over-confidence.

"It was complacency." he says, "All week, you couldn't avoid it, the radio...the papers...everyone saying that Liverpool could be top four, and everyone's feeling that, and everyone's thinking that. And the Friday before the game, the atmosphere here was fantastic. But there are a lot of inexperienced players in our group, and they're hearing these things, and no matter what you tell them, they're believing it, but you have to go through experiences, to realise that no matter what people say, think or do, you have to graft. We never got the goal early on, and then when we went behind, we just didn't have the intensity or the aggression in our game."

What really riled him, however, was seeing fans leaving Anfield with still 20 minutes to go.

"It was probably as disappointed as I've been. We're not always going to get the results, it happens in football. But the one thing I never, ever want to see, is the home supporters walking out of Anfield, with fifteen, twenty minutes to go. That's not acceptable. It's not acceptable that they don't believe we're going to get something from the game. That was something that hurt."

Rodgers is acutely aware of how not killing off games, has cost us points.

"I'm as frustrated as you. We dominate games so much and sometimes you only go 1-0 in front, but no matter how much you dominate a game, and it can become a war in the last ten minutes, you scrape through, but you get no comfort. You think 'we should have won that by so much more'"

Despite the many dropped points of the season so far, though, Rodgers still has his eye on a decent second half of the season. "It'll be tough, but we still can make the top four. I genuinely believe that."
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When Brendan Rodgers walks into a room, it's hard not to take notice. Surprisingly short in stature, he more than makes up for it with a presence that's so instantly charismatic, he has grown men almost bowing to him as he shakes their hands.
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:lol::lol::lol:
 
RAWK is at Melwood for another Q&A with the forums
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Woah, woah, woah....wait a second. He holds interviews with internet forums? Why?

All week, you couldn't avoid it, the radio...the papers...everyone saying that Liverpool could be top four, and everyone's feeling that, and everyone's thinking that.
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Mental.
 
"It was complacency." he says, "All week, you couldn't avoid it, the radio...the papers...everyone saying that Liverpool could be top four, and everyone's feeling that, and everyone's thinking that. And the Friday before the game, the atmosphere here was fantastic. But there are a lot of inexperienced players in our group, and they're hearing these things, and no matter what you tell them, they're believing it, but you have to go through experiences, to realise that no matter what people say, think or do, you have to graft. We never got the goal early on, and then when we went behind, we just didn't have the intensity or the aggression in our game."
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Complancency? Weren't they 10th at the time?
 
When Brendan Rodgers walks into a room, it's hard not to take notice. Surprisingly short in stature, he more than makes up for it with a presence that's so instantly charismatic, he has grown men almost bowing to him as he shakes their hands.

The players, he reckons, were suffering from a major bout of over-confidence.

Despite the many dropped points of the season so far, though, Rodgers still has his eye on a decent second half of the season. "It'll be tough, but we still can make the top four. I genuinely believe that."
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:lol::lol:
 
Brwned said:
The fact he had to resort to signing a middling player like Konchesky tells you he didn't have much more money, surely?
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Or that he made a really bad call on the quality of Koncesky.
 
bsc said:
Lambert was a laughably better option for Liverpool. Pragmatic, better tactical and with a more long term approach that would have benefited them better in every way.

The Skaus bought into Rodgers' faux philosophy(which he inherited from those before him, if we're being honest) and he buttered the dippers up with mawkish language and fawning over the shit they value above everything else.

Liverpool fans are a weird, weird bunch. You say the right thing and appease the rabid mongoloids by speaking their deluded language and you are home and dry.
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Losing 8-0 to anybody is shocking. Anymore genuis quotes form you bsc while you're on a roll? :boring:
 
Dumbstar said:
Losing 8-0 to anybody is shocking. Anymore genuis quotes form you bsc while you're on a roll? :boring:
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It's a one off game. He beat you with the same Villa side at Anfield last week.
 
Gazza said:
You think the 8-0 loss to Chelsea completely negates his point? Typical reactionary short-termist thinking from a dense-headed scouser
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Yep, losing 8-0 to Chelsea is shit but bad results like that happen all the time to midtable teams that play Chelsea. Remember when they were beating everyone 6-0? Lambert has a huge task and it is important for him to get the players to pick themselves back up.
 
Gazza said:
You think the 8-0 loss to Chelsea completely negates his point? Typical reactionary short-termist thinking from a dense-headed scouser
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:lol:

Here they come. Gazza, that "one off" result against us when we were poor is what prompted bsc to make his dense headed reactionary comment.

Do keep up son. :wenger:
 
Dumbstar said:
:lol:

Here they come. Gazza, that "one off" result against us when we were poor is what prompted bsc to make his dense headed reactionary comment.

Do keep up son. :wenger:
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Son, he actually made a valid point. Your comment was more in keeping with a 5 year old's train of logic.

Dumpstar is Rab C Nesbitt and I claim his dole allowance for the week
 
Gazza said:
Son, he actually made a valid point. Your comment was more in keeping with a 5 year old's train of logic.

Dumpstar is Rab C Nesbitt and I claim his dole allowance for the week
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What was his point?
 
JulesWinnfield said:
It should be remembered that Rodgers didn't build anything at Swansea, indeed his attempts at building aside at Reading were atrocious and got him sacked. No doubt he did an excellent job at Swansea but he didn't have to implement any style of play, just fine tune it. It was really a case of standing on the shoulders of giants. Their performance in the premier league was no mean feat and deserves huge praise, but there was nothing about his job at Swansea that ever suggested he was capable of going to a club and building them up from scratch as Liverpool want him to do.
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I said to I think it was Sarni (was in the Sturridge thread). "Who are these 'Brendan Rogers Style Signings' that you're speaking of?"

I honestly dont think he's going to get the best out of this playing group until he ships out Gerrard and Carragher (almost gone), sorts out Johnson and the rest of the defence. The players are stuck with the mentality of the Gerrard has-been world class and deserves more, the defence is all over the shop and he is managing much much bigger ego's at Liverpool than he was at Swansea.

There is also the fact that he is coming into a squad and attempting to get respect from it. It took Benitez a season and a bit to sort that out and even toward the end of his reign he had troubles with the squad. This all screams to me that the players themselves are playing with the mentality that they believe they should be getting more. At Swansea they just went out as 17 blokes, played their hearts out and left it on the field then retreated back to Wales without too much expectation from them and the fans.

Tactics and setup is not going to fix that despite everyone saying he's showing good tactical awareness. He should get time to fix it but I would think when Gerrard has gone or retired and the rest of the squad will then have to return to mid table players to really lift to that mentality.

I mean with resources Liverpool have at their disposal, and players, Europe should be a worst case scenario. There is no way a team with some of the players they have at their disposal should be in a mid-table position. Of course, big name club means some players do get overated (Skrtel for one seems to get done an awful lot for a supposedly top centre back) but there's no doubting their players should be doing comfortably better than our's (West Brom) for example.
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I also said in another thread 'throwing money at your problems is the new quick fire fix' it isn't. I believe he has a chance in the summer window to actually spend on players that he wants. Buying Allen was a mistake for me. I know Lucas got injured and that actually bailed him out but he also had Henderson and Spearing and Shelvey. That statement of intent spending ridiculous amounts of money on that kind of player was wrong. Especially the position they were in. Money doesn't just fix every problem.

He doesn't strike me as a good man manager/mental manager. He's instantly played into the whinging victim scenario and that already has rubbed off on the players. They are moaning at the officials and each other a lot and that's not good. A couple of times they've looked deadly when they have just got the head down and gotten on with it but a lot of the time they have looked like players who think they deserve more and that is absolutely crippling.
 
ghaliboy said:
I said to I think it was Sarni (was in the Sturridge thread). "Who are these 'Brendan Rogers Style Signings' that you're speaking of?"

I honestly dont think he's going to get the best out of this playing group until he ships out Gerrard and Carragher (almost gone), sorts out Johnson and the rest of the defence. The players are stuck with the mentality of the Gerrard has-been world class and deserves more, the defence is all over the shop and he is managing much much bigger ego's at Liverpool than he was at Swansea.

There is also the fact that he is coming into a squad and attempting to get respect from it. It took Benitez a season and a bit to sort that out and even toward the end of his reign he had troubles with the squad. This all screams to me that the players themselves are playing with the mentality that they believe they should be getting more. At Swansea they just went out as 17 blokes, played their hearts out and left it on the field then retreated back to Wales without too much expectation from them and the fans.

Tactics and setup is not going to fix that despite everyone saying he's showing good tactical awareness. He should get time to fix it but I would think when Gerrard has gone or retired and the rest of the squad will then have to return to mid table players to really lift to that mentality.



I also said in another thread 'throwing money at your problems is the new quick fire fix' it isn't. I believe he has a chance in the summer window to actually spend on players that he wants. Buying Allen was a mistake for me. I know Lucas got injured and that actually bailed him out but he also had Henderson and Spearing and Shelvey. That statement of intent spending ridiculous amounts of money on that kind of player was wrong. Especially the position they were in. Money doesn't just fix every problem.

He doesn't strike me as a good man manager/mental manager. He's instantly played into the whinging victim scenario and that already has rubbed off on the players. They are moaning at the officials and each other a lot and that's not good. A couple of times they've looked deadly when they have just got the head down and gotten on with it but a lot of the time they have looked like players who think they deserve more and that is absolutely crippling.
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Much of what you say could come to pass but for me he has to be given time. Should you be right after 4 or so years and there isnt an improvement in our fortunes then I would say replace him but for now I'd like to see if he can develop the team to play a style of football he is happy with while getting good results. There have been flashes of good performances this year but also som extremely lack lustre ones. If he can learn and improve the team then I would take a few years of rebuilding. A constant management merry go round is not the answer though as many clubs have shown!
 
I'd agree if you'd got say Lambert, who has a track record of success and is taking a more graduated step up. Rodgers hasn't done much, fecked up at Watford and has a bigger job.
 
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