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Rodgers is good manager for Liverpool, but unless deep pocket owners buy the club it's going to toil between 5th and 10th place. City and Chelsea will have a lock on two of the top four spots for as long as their owners continue to infuse cash into the club. United will remain a top four club for the foreseeable future. As much as we like to belittle Arsenal, they're also well positioned to hold down top four place for a while, though I personally believe they'll slip down a notch or two this season.

There's just too much competition for Liverpool to make a sustained run at a top four spot any time soon. Dalglish fukked them up bad with his idiotic buys, mistakes which will take years to overcome.
 
Lambert was a laughably better option for Liverpool. Pragmatic, better tactical and with a more long term approach that would have benefited them better in every way.

The Skaus bought into Rodgers' faux philosophy(which he inherited from those before him, if we're being honest) and he buttered the dippers up with mawkish language and fawning over the shit they value above everything else.

Liverpool fans are a weird, weird bunch. You say the right thing and appease the rabid mongoloids by speaking their deluded language and you are home and dry.
 
bsc said:
Lambert was a laughably better option for Liverpool. Pragmatic, better tactical and with a more long term approach that would have benefited them better in every way.

The Skaus bought into Rodgers' faux philosophy(which he inherited from those before him, if we're being honest) and he buttered the dippers up with mawkish language and fawning over the shit they value above everything else.

Liverpool fans are a weird, weird bunch. You say the right thing and appease the rabid mongoloids by speaking their deluded language and you are home and dry.
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That's harsh on Rodgers. He's a young manager, he's got Liverpool playing to a philosophy, he doesn't have the players, or the cash to bring in the players. He's not a terrible manager, just Liverpool would need a Ferguson or Mourinho in charge to have them challenging for a top four place or even close, their squad is extremely average.
 
He is a good manager maligned on here for the position he has taken which is understandable if not a bit hypocritical given the mass purring over Swansea on here last season.

He had the rug pulled from underneath him RE: Carroll and Dempsey but that's the way it goes, he has done well with what he has. He has to be given at least 18 months before any assessments are made.

That said, it'd be nice of he took Liverpool down.
 
I think he's out of his depth; worse, he doesn't even realise it.
 
Kid Cunto said:
That's harsh on Rodgers. He's a young manager, he's got Liverpool playing to a philosophy, he doesn't have the players, or the cash to bring in the players. He's not a terrible manager, just Liverpool would need a Ferguson or Mourinho in charge to have them challenging for a top four place or even close, their squad is extremely average.
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Absolute bollocks. I'm not even sure if I'm replying to a windup here

Paulo Sousa and Martinez indoctrinated the Swansea way of playing long before Rodgers showed up to steal their ideas and lay claim to such refreshing football ideals.

No one, with a rational trail of thought, would claim Rodgers should be challenging for the top 4. It's simply not feasible.

But his record is barely better than Woy's in the same timescale: the difference is one appears to be a simpering skaus propagandist, who wheels out deluded lines to appease the massive, while the other was a funny-talking realist, with a speech impediment, who was never played the scouse fiddle and attempted to curry favour with the Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime element of their support.
 
Kid Cunto said:
That's harsh on Rodgers. He's a young manager, he's got Liverpool playing to a philosophy, he doesn't have the players, or the cash to bring in the players. He's not a terrible manager, just Liverpool would need a Ferguson or Mourinho in charge to have them challenging for a top four place or even close, their squad is extremely average.
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He sent a huge message bringing in Allen. I am not exactly sure why he did that to be honest.

I agree he's not woeful but I do think he rode Martinez squad philosophies and ran with it. What he will encounter in this setup is the massive ego's of players he didn't have to deal with at Swansea. Everyone played for the team and for each other. Much different dynamic at Liverpool.

So far for me he's failing that test. Getting certain players to play a certain way is one thing but getting players who think they are better than they are to play your way is a difficult ask.
 
thegregster said:
For me Rodgers just doesnt have enough experience to take on the job at Liverpool. Personally if I were the owners I would have gone for a manager with at least 10 years plus experience.

I just think taking on a big job too young can ruin a manager. That said Rodgers probably felt he had to take the opportunity when it came along. Given the love of continental managers he mightn't have got a chance like this again.
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You mean like a Roy Hodgson?
 
bsc said:
Lambert was a laughably better option for Liverpool. Pragmatic, better tactical and with a more long term approach that would have benefited them better in every way.

The Skaus bought into Rodgers' faux philosophy(which he inherited from those before him, if we're being honest) and he buttered the dippers up with mawkish language and fawning over the shit they value above everything else.

Liverpool fans are a weird, weird bunch. You say the right thing and appease the rabid mongoloids by speaking their deluded language and you are home and dry.
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Not much between Lambert and Rodgers IMO. I think you are letting your hatred for all things liverpool bias your opinion slightly.
 
bsc said:
Absolute bollocks. I'm not even sure if I'm replying to a windup here

Paulo Sousa and Martinez indoctrinated the Swansea way of playing long before Rodgers showed up to steal their ideas and lay claim to such refreshing football ideals.

No one, with a rational trail of thought, would claim Rodgers should be challenging for the top 4. It's simply not feasible.

But his record is barely better than Woy's in the same timescale: the difference is one appears to be a simpering skaus propagandist, who wheels out deluded lines to appease the massive, while the other was a funny-talking realist, with a speech impediment, who was never played the scouse fiddle and attempted to curry favour with the Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime element of their support.
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He continued on and made a great job of bringing Swansea into the top division in England. It's sometimes harder to follow on from successful managers at small clubs such as Martinez but he managed to do so.

No one on here has said Rodgers will challenge this term or even next but given time (4 years) and funds I think he will do well and get liverpool back to challenging top 4.

Roy had significantly more cash and better players at his disposal but signed woeful players such as Poulsen and Koncesky and never looked comfortable in the job. Rodgers is naturally trying to endear himself to the fans whilst blooding youth and actually playing a good brand of football.
 
ghaliboy said:
He sent a huge message bringing in Allen. I am not exactly sure why he did that to be honest.

I agree he's not woeful but I do think he rode Martinez squad philosophies and ran with it. What he will encounter in this setup is the massive ego's of players he didn't have to deal with at Swansea. Everyone played for the team and for each other. Much different dynamic at Liverpool.

So far for me he's failing that test. Getting certain players to play a certain way is one thing but getting players who think they are better than they are to play your way is a difficult ask.
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What about relegation? You seemed to think that would happen back in August?
 
You can argue all you want about Rodgers capabilities as a top class manager. Only the future will determine whether he is, or isn't up to the job. But the biggest challenge he faces is getting in a replacement for Steven Gerrard - Unlike Houllier, Benitez, & Dalglish, to a lesser extent, he has never had the luxury of having the lad when he was in his prime. So regardless of who is charge of LFC, they are going to have to build a side capable of winning games without having to rely on one player to pull them out of the shit every other game.

It's a big, big ask.
 
You can argue all you want about Rodgers capabilities as a top class manager. Only the future will determine whether he is, or isn't up to the job. But the biggest challenge he faces is getting in a replacement for Steven Gerrard - Unlike Houllier, Benitez, & Dalglish, to a lesser extent, he has never had the luxury of having the lad when he was in his prime. So regardless of who is charge of LFC, they are going to have to build a side capable of winning games without having to rely on one player to pull them out of the shit every other game.

It's a big, big ask.
 
That big of an ask, you said it twice.

FWIW, Brenton is a massive shit head. And not because he's Liverpool's manager, just because he comes across as a proper stroke the bell. Made for LFC
 
My opinion on Rodgers from the start was things will get worse before they better. This still applies.

His decisions with Carroll and Downing are good signs and bode well for them. He deserves a full year to try and impose himself fully on the club. Changing manager now would be the worst thing they could even consider.

One manager I didnt want them to get originally was Pellegrini. I wonder did they even consider an approach?
 
Stick said:
He continued on and made a great job of bringing Swansea into the top division in England. It's sometimes harder to follow on from successful managers at small clubs such as Martinez but he managed to do so.

No one on here has said Rodgers will challenge this term or even next but given time (4 years) and funds I think he will do well and get liverpool back to challenging top 4.

Roy had significantly more cash and better players at his disposal but signed woeful players such as Poulsen and Koncesky and never looked comfortable in the job. Rodgers is naturally trying to endear himself to the fans whilst blooding youth and actually playing a good brand of football.
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How much did Hodgson spend compared to Rodgers' £27m?
 
If Rodgers wasn't Liverpool manager he wouldn't be getting the stick he's getting here. And I don't think anyone is crediting him with bringing the philosophy of football to Swansea, more he inherited it, but what does that matter? He still deploys it.
 
He's obviously a good manager. Possible a very good one. But he's not some sort of master tactician just because he gets his teams to play lots of tippy tappy football. It's all well and good being principled to the point of refusing to play any other way, but unless you're Barca then it's probably going to cause you to come unstuck at some point.

But at the stage of his career that he's at, he's doing very well.
 
I suppose the big problem with Hodgson is that his teams are horrible to watch and you only get away with that if you get decent results.
 
Kid Cunto said:
If Rodgers wasn't Liverpool manager he wouldn't be getting the stick he's getting here. And I don't think anyone is crediting him with bringing the philosophy of football to Swansea, more he inherited it, but what does that matter? He still deploys it.
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He's young and stuff

But is he really the pedigree RAWK hyped him up? He's just a good manager strikes lucky with a ticking team at Swansea, the next guy after him didn't do too badly with what's left of him anyway.

We rate him correctly, mediocre, and it's just recently becomes funny because RAWK hypes him up to the rank of a clone of Mourinho 10 years younger
 
SharkyMcShark said:
Joe Cole free
Milan Jovanovic free
Paul Konchesky 3 million
Danny Wilson 2 million
Christian Poulsen 4.5 million
Jonjo Shelvey 1.7 million
Brad Jones 2.3 million
Raul Meireles 11.5 million

25 million all up, and some absolute stinkers in there.
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Cole on paper looked like a brilliant deal. Meireles was Liverpool's player of the year. They rate Shelvey quite highly over there, and Jones was a solid back up. The rest were shite.
 
Those players Hodgson bought that were stiffs wouldn't have represented a big risk in terms of cost though. It's unfortunate for Hodgson though that Liverpool needed a big rebuilding rather than a few journeymen to help plug gaps and play once in a blue moon to cover injuries. Cole should have been decent, Meirelles was a decent signing and Shelvey looks like he might make an impact. Compare the £11m whatever it was that Borini cost Rodgers to the cost of Konchesky and Poulsen, Wilson and Jovanivic. All rubbish players but at least Hodgson got bodies in.
 
SharkyMcShark said:
Joe Cole free
Milan Jovanovic free
Paul Konchesky 3 million
Danny Wilson 2 million
Christian Poulsen 4.5 million
Jonjo Shelvey 1.7 million
Brad Jones 2.3 million
Raul Meireles 11.5 million

25 million all up, and some absolute stinkers in there.
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Cole and Wilson were signed before Hodgson came on board no?
 
retardman5 said:
You can argue all you want about Rodgers capabilities as a top class manager. Only the future will determine whether he is, or isn't up to the job. But the biggest challenge he faces is getting in a replacement for Steven Gerrard - Unlike Houllier, Benitez, & Dalglish, to a lesser extent, he has never had the luxury of having the lad when he was in his prime. So regardless of who is charge of LFC, they are going to have to build a side capable of winning games without having to rely on one player to pull them out of the shit every other game.

It's a big, big ask.
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Don't think we can expect to find a replacement. Bigger job for Rodgers is to phase him out/start rotating him, which will need to be happening at some point in the near future I suspect.
 
Kid Cunto said:
If Rodgers wasn't Liverpool manager he wouldn't be getting the stick he's getting here. And I don't think anyone is crediting him with bringing the philosophy of football to Swansea, more he inherited it, but what does that matter? He still deploys it.
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As opposed to manager of who? It's all well and good doing it at Swansea and achieving a mid table finish. No one will criticize a manager who did that as they basically matched, or excelled, on their goals but at Liverpool if you finish mid table then that's an underachievement and you're going to be questioned.

I think Sky1981 summed it up quite well with regards to Swansea, you look at them before he was there, whilst he was there and now he has left nothing has changed. I won't give him no credit at all for it but it doesn't look like he was some football mastermind there.

He's a decent manager for me, nothing more than that. He's not been outstanding anywhere he's gone but has managed to impress people enough obviously to get a good job. With Liverpool's finances I suppose he was one of the best they could get and it was a gamble but I've yet to see it pay off.
 
padzilla said:
I suppose the big problem with Hodgson is that his teams are horrible to watch and you only get away with that if you get decent results.
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He had Fulham playing well and West Brom weren't wank either. Liverpool played shit football coz they're a shit team. Roy fecked up by not making the club the victim. He made himself the victim and they didn't like it one bit.

Liverpool under Rodgers get 70% possession and get beat 3-1 at home by fellow strugglers. We get 70% possession and you can bet some feckers are getting twatted 5-0 or something.
 
padzilla said:
I suppose the big problem with Hodgson is that his teams are horrible to watch and you only get away with that if you get decent results.
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I quite enjoy watching liverpool play now. Something I'm sorry to say I havent enjoyed regularly since Roy Evans was in charge.
 
Oggmonster said:
As opposed to manager of who? It's all well and good doing it at Swansea and achieving a mid table finish. No one will criticize a manager who did that as they basically matched, or excelled, on their goals but at Liverpool if you finish mid table then that's an underachievement and you're going to be questioned.

I think Sky1981 summed it up quite well with regards to Swansea, you look at them before he was there, whilst he was there and now he has left nothing has changed. I won't give him no credit at all for it but it doesn't look like he was some football mastermind there.

He's a decent manager for me, nothing more than that. He's not been outstanding anywhere he's gone but has managed to impress people enough obviously to get a good job. With Liverpool's finances I suppose he was one of the best they could get and it was a gamble but I've yet to see it pay off.
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Some pretty big signings have gone there since Laudrup arrived. Michu, Chico and and another Spanish lad.
 
Colin129 said:
Yes, but look who Rodgers has signed!
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For Liverpool? Allen and Borini are two I can think of. Allen seems to be doing grand and Borini got a long lay off after a slow enough few games.

I found this on a liverpool forum on his Swansea and Reading days. All in all it's not bad.

Swansea - He was their for 2 full seasons these are the ones who I'd highlight as being the best and why:

2010-11

Neil Taylor - Free - Signed for Free went on to play 30 times in the Promotion winning season, then 36 times in the Premier League.
Scott Sinclair - 500k - He's worth a lot more now, He's scored 35 times in his 80 odd Swansea apperances and is now one of their most important players.
Borini - Loan - During his 3 month loan he became a crucial player in Swansea's eventual promotion scoring 6 times in 15 apperances

2011-12

Caulker - When fit was an ever present and You only have to ask Swansea fans how highly they rated him.
Graham - £3.5M - Most expensive signing Rodgers has ever made, 14 Goals in 39 games is a good return.
Vorm £1.5M I'd say his value is possibly between 7-10 times that now (I'm going OTT) but for £1.5m he has to go down as one of the best signings of last season.
Routledge ~£1.7M Not as good as the other 2 or even close, but he played 22 times in the league and did look decent on occasions
Gylfi Sigurdsson Loan - Not much needs to be said about him - 18 league apperances 7 goals 3 assits, up their with the best January signings.

He's has a couple of seemingly pointless signings like McEachran on loan or Bessone and a couple of not so impressive ones like Leroy Lita for £1.7 but that didn't exactly turn out to be diastorous as Swansea wern't short of goals. He's made a few average signings like Agustian and Luke Moore, but both helped out in the Promotion run and played some part in the impressive league finish

Reading FC will be seen as the blip on his current CV, his succesful transfer were:

Jodi McAnuff - 300k Their current Captian
Matt Mills: 2m Sold 2 seasons after for just over £5m
Ryan Bertrand- Ended up playing over 50 games for Reading (not all under Rodgers) and his development saw him start the Champions League final in May.

Can't find any information about his Watford signings he was only there for one transfer window, in January 2009.
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Stick said:
For Liverpool? Allen and Borini are two I can think of. Allen seems to be doing grand and Borini got a long lay off after a slow enough few games.
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Allen has not been grand, hes been rather poor overall, and put him in a midfield with Lucas and its woeful.Add in Gerard to that trio and you have a disaster waiting to happen, which it did against Villa.

forget the strikers not hitting a barn door with a banjo, or the goalie having more chance of catching a cold than a cross , the midfield three that cannot hold onto the ball between themselves or put in any meaningful tackle when caught with pace on the break is why Liverpool got dicked at home last week.
 
Nogbadthebad said:
Allen has not been grand, hes been rather poor overall, and put him in a midfield with Lucas and its woeful.Add in Gerard to that trio and you have a disaster waiting to happen, which it did against Villa.

forget the strikers not hitting a barn door with a banjo, or the goalie having more chance of catching a cold than a cross , the midfield three that cannot hold onto the ball between themselves or put in any meaningful tackle when caught with pace on the break is why Liverpool got dicked at home last week.
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I've watched quite a few games this season and I have seen Allen play a simple but effective game in the middle of the park. Villa was a very poor performance from all and sundry and in recent games I don't recall Allen having a massive role in them but overall for his first season at a much bigger club and with all the pressure that goes with it he has been grand. Lucas is coming back to fitness after a long lay off and Gerard is winding down but I think they've only played together once? To judge them after one game is ridiculous. I think a Mr Hansen did that on a midfield containing Scholes, Butt and Keane after they suffered a 3-1 loss to Villa and he made a show of himself.
 
Stick said:
Roy had significantly more cash and better players at his disposal but signed woeful players such as Poulsen and Koncesky and never looked comfortable in the job. Rodgers is naturally trying to endear himself to the fans whilst blooding youth and actually playing a good brand of football.
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The fact he had to resort to signing a middling player like Konchesky tells you he didn't have much more money, surely?
 
Woy had a striker who didnt want to play, no left back and a squad that was losing Mascherano and Yossi.
The club couldnt afford to pay the wages for Luke Young.

He had very little to spend and even less to offer in terms of wages.

Meireles signed with the promise of a more money after 1 season.. which never came and he left.

oh and Rodgers has also spent ~5m and a 100k/week on Sahin...
 
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