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Eboue said:
:lol: rank mediocrity
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How else would you describe 10 years with no trophies, constantly choking and crumbling in the big games, and not doing much at all in Europe season after season?
 
Eboue & Pete have out-tactic-ed Brendan in his own thread.
 
With the stadium sorted and FFP on the way it's time for Wenger to start delivering trophies/title challenges. He'll either adapt to the new financial realities and buy the players he needs or he'll run out of road. I think finishing fourth next season probably wouldn't cut it for the Arsenal fans. There's only so many times you can be told there'll be jam tomorrow.
 
Brophs said:
With the stadium sorted and FFP on the way it's time for Wenger to start delivering trophies/title challenges. He'll either adapt to the new financial realities and buy the players he needs or he'll run out of road. I think finishing fourth next season probably wouldn't cut it for the Arsenal fans. There's only so many times you can be told there'll be jam tomorrow.
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Yep. He's seen us through the challenges and brought us out the other side. Now it is reasonable to start expecting trophies.
 
Drainy said:
and the third best premier league manager after Fergie and Mourinho
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Mourinho isn't in the same league as Ferguson or Wenger (Shankley or Busby) - men who built a club. He doesn't even particularly cut the mustard over Ancelotti or Mancini, other managers who won the league with financially doped teams.
 
He is a good manager and has worked wonders this season but I find his mind games rather pathethic as if he actually thinks they make the slightest bit of difference. His 'others have spent more' line is bit tiresome really considering the amounts Liverpool have also spent in recent years. His team are top and 5 points clear yet he makes the other team favourites but then he had a go at Moyes for saying the opposing team were favourites and that 'he would never do that'. He still moans on afterwards about the money and parked buses as an excuse. Just man up and admit you were outsmarted Brendon.
 
Brian Clough failed to take over a championship winning team worse than Moyes did, and retired after getting relegated- he's still revered. It's a symptom of modern football that Wenger is treated with disrespect after achieving what he's done with his limited resources. He'll rightly be remembered as a great
 
So do you put Wenger's 0/10 record against Mourinho purely down to Jose's vast riches too, Eboue?
 
The past few pages have been a trainwreck.

I've never seen Rodgers as flustered as in the post match conference. He was being a right cnut in the past few weeks and I'm glad he has been brought back to earth.

Hopefully City win it, both he and Mourinho can feck off
 
peterstorey said:
Mourinho isn't in the same league as Ferguson or Wenger (Shankley or Busby) - men who built a club. He doesn't even particularly cut the mustard over Ancelotti or Mancini, other managers who won the league with financially doped teams.
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A few years ago (or even more recently than that) I'd have wholeheartedly agreed with you that building long term is how you judge a manager. However, I'm starting to be persuaded by the argument that Mourinho is the manager that reflects this era in football and he should be judged as such- Short termism, results at all costs and then move on. Mourinho is thriving in this era and he deserves to be respected for his success at clubs where patience is non-existent.
 
Eboue said:
Yep. He's seen us through the challenges and brought us out the other side. Now it is reasonable to start expecting trophies.
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Given the fact that they don't have oil money, being in the shake up or thereabouts every season would probably be acceptable. You still look to me like you're 4-6 players away from a side that can win the league and really threaten in the CL. How you're supposed to get that many top players without spending the GDP of a mid-sized country, not to mention in the face of competition from richer clubs for every half decent player that becomes available is probably the more pertinent question. Feck knows the answer. We've never really cracked it on a consistent basis, despite having greater commercial strength.
 
Brophs said:
Given the fact that they don't have oil money, being in the shake up or thereabouts every season would probably be acceptable. You still look to me like you're 4-6 players away from a side that can win the league and really threaten in the CL. How you're supposed to get that many top players without spending the GDP of a mid-sized country, not to mention in the face of competition from richer clubs for every half decent player that becomes available is probably the more pertinent question. Feck knows the answer. We've never really cracked it on a consistent basis, despite having greater commercial strength.
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We're two players away: Benzema and Fabregas. This will soon be rectified.
 
Brophs said:
Given the fact that they don't have oil money, being in the shake up or thereabouts every season would probably be acceptable. You still look to me like you're 4-6 players away from a side that can win the league and threaten in the CL. How you're supposed to get that many top players without spending the GDP of a mid-sized country, not to mention in the face of competition from richer clubs for every half decent player that becomes available is probably the more pertinent question. Feck knows the answer. We've never really cracked it on a consistent basis, despite having greater commercial strength.
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I'm far from a financial expert but I do think we should be able to spend what Manchester United have the past couple of years. United net spend has been 67 million, 51 million and 37 million. Arsenal should be able to buy an Ozil quality player and patch up other positions every year without needing to sell. I think that's the big difference now that we've come out the other side. Being able to buy without selling.
 
Drainy said:
A few years ago (or even more recently than that) I'd have wholeheartedly agreed with you that building long term is how you judge a manager. However, I'm starting to be persuaded by the argument that Mourinho is the manager that reflects this era in football and he should be judged as such- Short termism, results at all costs and then move on. Mourinho is thriving in this era and he deserves to be respected for his success at clubs where patience is non-existent.
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I suspect you're suffering from Moyes-burn. The strategy behind appointing Moyes was correct - he was just the wrong guy. Mourinho was largely a flop at Real Madrid by the way.
 
peterstorey said:
We're two players away: Benzema and Fabregas. This will soon be rectified.
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They'd make you more competitive, but I still think you're light at right back, centre half, left wing and possibly even centre midfield, where Arteta looks like he's just gone over the top of the hill and Flamini's a good player and has played a big role, but is still a worse version of the player you should have bought a couple of years back.
 
adexkola said:
Mourinho fans to a tee put their hands to ear and shout lalalalalalalalalala when this is brought up.
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He won the league and scored a record amount of goals despite the presence of arguably the greatest team of all time. How exactly is that a failure?
 
Eboue said:
I'm far from a financial expert but I do think we should be able to spend what Manchester United have the past couple of years. United net spend has been 67 million, 51 million and 37 million. Arsenal should be able to buy an Ozil quality player and patch up other positions every year without needing to sell. I think that's the big difference now that we've come out the other side. Being able to buy without selling.
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Not sure about those figures, but that's a discussion for another day.

As for the above, well that's a problem, isn't it? Because of the debt we were spending way less than our earning power should have allowed. Without Fergie I don't think we'd have been as successful. I'm not sure those figures would turn a good team into a great one, tbh.
 
peterstorey said:
I suspect you're suffering from Moyes-burn. The strategy behind appointing Moyes was correct - he was just the wrong guy. Mourinho was largely a flop at Real Madrid by the way.
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Moyes at United was a flop.

Mourinho won the league in Madrid. Definitely it was his least successful spell in management but it wasn't a flop. They still won a league and a Copa Del Rey
 
Brophs said:
Not sure about those figures, but that's a discussion for another day.

As for the above, well that's a problem, isn't it? Because of the debt we were spending way less than our earning power should have allowed. Without Fergie I don't think we'd have been as successful. I'm not sure those figures would turn a good team into a great one, tbh.
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Regularly spending 50 million every year for Manchester United and Arsenal should be enough to compete with the super rich clubs. It won't be without a top manager, but you don't compete without a top manager anyway.
 
Eboue said:
I've been meaning to put you on ignore. Thanks for the reminder.
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This is why you shouldn't promote anyone under the age of 17. They throw hissy fits.
 
JazzG said:
Why should they play for a stalemate? They're at home and won the last 11 or 12 games on the trot, of course they're gonna try to win the match. Since when do potential championship winning sides play for draws at home?
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Because a draw would've won them the game. They didn't need to go all out. They did and Mourinho did the classic big game Mourinho tactic. Sit deep, close down and hit them on the counter.
Eboue said:
No, it's because I've asked you several times to stop posting my picture and you haven't respected that. You're a moron and a bit of a dick.
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Please refrain from insults, it's in the rules.
 
Eboue said:
Regularly spending 50 million every year for Manchester United and Arsenal should be enough to compete with the super rich clubs. It won't be without a top manager, but you don't compete without a top manager anyway.
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I'm not so sure. It gets you one Ozil and a Monreal. Which is fine if you've got a top squad already, but if you're trying to bridge the gap, as your lot are at the moment, I think it might leave you short without bringing through the odd top young player or finding a cheap gem, which is getting harder and harder to do, with the way everyone knows about every player nowadays.

Say, for example, we wanted to buy Fabregas, Cavani, Shaw and Carvalho (based on the links) I'm guessing it'd cost in the region £130m or more. Serious wedge. Say you get Fabregas and Benzema, as pete speculated, it'd surely be anywhere from £60-80m?
 
Brophs said:
I'm not so sure. It gets you one Ozil and a Monreal. Which is fine if you've got a top squad already, but if you're trying to bridge the gap, as your lot are at the moment, I think it might leave you short without bringing through the odd top young player or finding a cheap gem, which is getting harder and harder to do, with the way everyone knows about every player nowadays.

Say, for example, we wanted to buy Fabregas, Cavani, Shaw and Carvalho (based on the links) I'm guessing it'd cost in the region £130m or more. Serious wedge. Say you get Fabregas and Benzema, as pete speculated, it'd surely be anywhere from £60-80m?
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I'm talking net spend. I imagine if we bought Benzema and Fabregas we would shift Giroud or Podolski. I would be very surprised if you guys bought all four of those players. It would be quite the spending spree. But if Arsenal or Manchester United can spend 50-60 million every year? Then you are constantly supplementing a good team without having to rebuild totally.
 
peterstorey said:
I suspect you're suffering from Moyes-burn. The strategy behind appointing Moyes was correct - he was just the wrong guy. Mourinho was largely a flop at Real Madrid by the way.
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Don't get me wrong, at a club where the board are prepared to be patient, building for the long term is far better than 'Harry Redknapping' it, but Mourinho has been at clubs that only care about winning- a symptom of modern football in general- and for those jobs he was ideal.

I'm now seeing that he should be judged based on the jobs he was given- not the jobs Wenger and Fergie were.

That said, I wouldn't hold 'failing' at Real Madrid against anyone. They are a crazy club with ridiculous expectations of winning every game (which Mourinho came close at 72%), winning trophies (which he was ok at, given the competition) and doing it playing the best football (which he surprisingly did well at- until the head to heads with Barca then he resorted to kicking them like United did against the 'invincibles')
 
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