Brentan Rodgers
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It is interesting what Fergie really meant by top top player. If he meant like the top 5 midfielders of this century then he's right. Personally I would put Zidane, Xavi, Pirlo, Scholes and Iniesta there (in this order with possibly swapping Iniesta with Scholes). But Gerrard is just below them and he definitely was a world class and one of the best in the world.
Said that sometime ago and then gb made a thread about it. I think that Gerrar's top level was higher than Scholes. Scholes wouldn't have given that performance Gerrard gave against Milan (or Keane against Juve). In that way I think that both Keane and Gerrard could gave you more 10/10 performances than Scholes. But what makes Scholes special was that he was so consistent and because we had better game changers than Gerrard (Ronaldo, Rooney, RVP) we needed someone who can dictate our game. And only Xavi and Pirlo may have been better than Scholes at that.
So my verdict is that Scholes was a better player for us than Gerrard would have been, but on the other side if Scholes would have played for Liverpool, he wouldn't have been as influential as Gerrard. The other thing, Scholes was IMO the better player and more consistent, but Gerrard's top level was a bit higher than Scholes level. I prefer Scholes but to be fair, it is close between them and neither was superior to the other.
Rodgers seems that he hasn't read the book and just gave his conclusion without trying to understand in what context Fergie said that. Same about Liverpool fans who looks unable to think that Ferguson might have really thought that, and it wasn't only some nonsense from a bitter man (to quote a lot of LFC fans I know and more others from RAWK). When Arrigo Sachi said the same it didn't generated so much controversy.
Said that sometime ago and then gb made a thread about it. I think that Gerrar's top level was higher than Scholes. Scholes wouldn't have given that performance Gerrard gave against Milan (or Keane against Juve). In that way I think that both Keane and Gerrard could gave you more 10/10 performances than Scholes. But what makes Scholes special was that he was so consistent and because we had better game changers than Gerrard (Ronaldo, Rooney, RVP) we needed someone who can dictate our game. And only Xavi and Pirlo may have been better than Scholes at that.
So my verdict is that Scholes was a better player for us than Gerrard would have been, but on the other side if Scholes would have played for Liverpool, he wouldn't have been as influential as Gerrard. The other thing, Scholes was IMO the better player and more consistent, but Gerrard's top level was a bit higher than Scholes level. I prefer Scholes but to be fair, it is close between them and neither was superior to the other.
Rodgers seems that he hasn't read the book and just gave his conclusion without trying to understand in what context Fergie said that. Same about Liverpool fans who looks unable to think that Ferguson might have really thought that, and it wasn't only some nonsense from a bitter man (to quote a lot of LFC fans I know and more others from RAWK). When Arrigo Sachi said the same it didn't generated so much controversy.
I don't think anyone is particularly questioning the quality of Gerrard. I've yet to see anyone label him shit, or a bad player. Ferguson didn't do that either. Most people are just questioning the ridiculous over exaggeration the media and Rodgers have had over the comments. The furore over what he said about Henderson is even worse.
Rodgers and Liverpool fans encapsulating the victim mentality at every available opportunity, regardless of reason.
Do people see him being a success at Liverpool? How do you think he has done so far? Do you think he'll get a new contract seeing as it expires at the end of next season?
Yes, everything's relative, but I think he will put in your first real top four challenge for a few years, which is good progress.
He has done well so far from what I can see, has managed to achieve good team spirit and a decent footballing identity. I'm impressed with some of the decisions he has made, getting rid of Carroll immediately aswell as someone like Shelvey, who is a decent player but clearly didn't fit his vision for the team.
Yes.
He's a competent manager unlike that retard he replaced. Decent football and team spirit. Definitely deserves new contract as things stand.
Probably exactly what you needed after the mess Dalglish made at the club. Building his team around young technically good players and tactically he knows what he wants to do and he seems realistic in his aims. Fans tend to get carried away but for him this season was about getting the club moving in the right direction.
The main problem he has is fitting Suarez, Sturridge & Coutinho in and keeping the team solid in defence, a good problem to have but as we saw today the 3-5-2 leave you open to exploitation. Against lesser sides they won't have what it takes but better teams will take advantage. He acknowledged the formation issue on Sky so I'm intrigued to see what he does next.
Charlatan.
I think he's doing a remarkably good job - when you look at the crap he inherited from Dalglish both in terms of the squad and the style of play, then to have turned them into what they are now in less than 18 months is incredible.
Most of his signings have been very effective, and he seems to have made someone like Henderson into a better player - whilst getting money in for Downing, Carroll and Shelvey, which are minor miracles in themselves.
The David Brent comparison is perfect given the amount of crap he speaks, but I'm sure Liverpool will want to extend his reign.
Most of his signings have been very effective, and he seems to have made someone like Henderson into a better player - whilst getting money in for Downing, Carroll and Shelvey, which are minor miracles in themselves.
The David Brent comparison is perfect given the amount of crap he speaks, but I'm sure Liverpool will want to extend his reign.
He's been very good so far. I had my doubts whether he was capable of making a step up to a big club last season as frankly Liverpool looked like a mid-table side at times last season but once he settled and was allowed to make a few changes here and there they've improved significantly. It's not unthinkable that they finish in top 4 this season which would be an incredible achievement considering how far off in terms of quality they were only a year ago.
Similar to Le Tissier? Albeit Liverpool is a bigger club than Southampton, obviously.
It could be argued Liverpool achieve more with Scholes dictating play for Liverpool. For starters, his passing is far better than Gerrard's and the former's Hollywood passes actually come off more often than not while the latter's go way off course most often. Both were able to hit long-range strikes and each possessed the ability to get into the box to score goals. Gerrard was a much better diver though and used that to con many penalties, which of course he got to take quite a few where as Scholes never was the penalty taker for United.
How many more goals would Liverpool forwards and wingers have scored with Scholes' passing?
How many goals would Scholes have scored constantly playing further forward with a true defensive midfielder behind him (Hamann) or a top class holding midfielder like Alonso?
We'll never know but there's always a flip side to that argument above.
Not sure on Le Tissier because I could definitely imagine him struggling at a bigger club, complete lack of work ethic that you just wouldn't get away with at United. He certainly carried Southampton but they carried him as well, and he wouldn't get that elsewhere. I think Le Tisser is fairly regarded.
I think De Rossi is similar to Gerrard, though not as extreme an example. But he was arguably the best defensive midfielder in the world around 2007 which he was never popularly regarded as. If he had made that mooted move to the Premiership or even a top Serie A side then he would have gotten more credit.
Just seen his interview building upto the derby, he's an odd fecker and no mistake, awkward I think sums him up. I think he actually creeped me out a lil bit.
What did he do/say?
It's his mannerisms, I find him quite strange, I think it's in his eyes.
He is a very strange guy, no doubt. But he's giving it a good go in fairness. Liverpool are in much better shape than they were under previous managers, including Rafa.
I've been re-watching Prison Break recently and I've noticed that Brentan is the absolute ringer of Brad Bellick.
Uncanny.
Uncanny.
Brentan Rodgers
Brad Bellick
Brad Bellick
They're nothing alike.
Brendon's doing a very good job so far. Hope it falls to pieces soon/
Brendon's doing a very good job so far. Hope it falls to pieces soon/
Coming from a guy who rewatched prison break, that doesn't mean much.
It will.
They have started well and you can see the differance in style since Brenton took over. He has obviously educated his players and trained his dogs to a sufficiant standard, the wily old fox.
If Everton get a result today, It will be interesting to see how they bounce back and how they then go on to deal with the busy festive period, They don't seem particularly blessed with depth. I know that the could be said about us, but I think it is worse in their case, an injury or long suspension to Saurez and old Brenton might panic
They have started well and you can see the differance in style since Brenton took over. He has obviously educated his players and trained his dogs to a sufficiant standard, the wily old fox.
If Everton get a result today, It will be interesting to see how they bounce back and how they then go on to deal with the busy festive period, They don't seem particularly blessed with depth. I know that the could be said about us, but I think it is worse in their case, an injury or long suspension to Saurez and old Brenton might panic
He's the type of guy who tries too hard to act in a particular way, but the effort shows through. Mourinho does the same, but he pulls it off well to a certain extent. I just feel awkward for him whenever I see him give an interview.
He's very pretentious. Perfect for Liverpool in that sense.
Regarding, the effort, I dont know. I think a lot of managers work hard. The quality of their work also mattes. Time will tell in that regard.
Like he's been reading too many self-help books? He's just not a natural.
He's just said "obviously" 100 times in his pre-match interview.
A lot of players/managers do that though, I feel it's a way for them to reassure themselves when expressing themselves, by believing that what they're saying is so obvious it's completely harmless and not prone to criticism.
I saw an interview of Brenton about motivating his players before the derby, and he kept talking about 'the cause', it's bizarre.
I think there might be something in this, certainly comes across as very wooden, which would be all very good if it wasn't in an axe murder kind of way. I bet he's got a latex/leather fetish and motivates the lads by inviting them round for dinner parties if they play shite.
Least this clears up some of what down in darkest depths of nahealis grey matter.
Thought it was an absolutely crazy move to sub off Lucas and bring on Sturridge when your team was caught on break atleast twice. Got the equaliser in the end ofcourse but Everton had the much better chances IMO.
Watch him cry now. Big boo hoo's from Brenton
Lucas was a walking red, IMO.
I want to see more of Alberto. I like what I've seen. Would rather him play instead of Allen or Moses.
Lucas IS a walking red card - pretty much in every match. It's a wonder that he isn't shown the red more often than he is, destructive little red he is.
Results against teams who finished in the top 7 Under Rodgers.
Man city Drew twice.
Arsenal Lost twice. Drew once.
Man Utd. Lost twice Won once.
Everton. Drew three times
Chelsea Drew twice
Spurs Won once. Lost once.
P15 W 2 D7 L 6.
He has a long way to go to put things right at Anfield. Last season he was finding his feet of course. But these games are the ones he needs to start doing better in. He has Liverpool playing very well against the rest.
Man city Drew twice.
Arsenal Lost twice. Drew once.
Man Utd. Lost twice Won once.
Everton. Drew three times
Chelsea Drew twice
Spurs Won once. Lost once.
P15 W 2 D7 L 6.
He has a long way to go to put things right at Anfield. Last season he was finding his feet of course. But these games are the ones he needs to start doing better in. He has Liverpool playing very well against the rest.
Excellently displayed for the Liverpool lads here who, after a routine 5-0 win over Norwich, come wading in to this site and then wonder why we're not all proclaiming them the bestest team ever.
Liverpool were adept at beating the league's also-rans during Dalglish's second term in charge, and then Rodgers just continued that trend. Their big players seem to be flat-track bullies* really.
*'Flat-track bullies' is a little harsh, but you rarely see Sturridge/Suarez/Gerrard cutting the top teams to shreds.
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