Finally some sense from the media:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...-full-before-retaliating-to-news-stories.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...-full-before-retaliating-to-news-stories.html
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That is an excellent response. The part about Rodgers' own fly-on-the-wall documentary was something I'd never considered either
The clueless Liverpool fans who reacted to the quotes without properly even reading them should take a couple of steps back and look at what was said by SAF again. Their hatred is so much that it blinds them to the obvious.
Even though the stats contradict his assertion that Gerrard never got a kick when up against Keane & Scholes together ?
The fact is, had the records showed that Steven Gerrard was never on a winning Liverpool side when up against PS & RK, you can bet your life someone on here, probably you in fact, would have taken great delight in emphasising this point. As it is, your only response is to resort to a petty insult because you have no credible answer to put forward.
You're typical of quite a few United supporters on here when it comes to teams/players who are non-United related.
fecking clueless!!!!!
Do us all a favour & keep to the main forum. Let us adults discuss the wider-ranging things in football, whilst you can divulge in team selections, transfers, & tactics with your buddies.
Like I said earlier on, I'm not too bothered as to what Fergie thinks of Stevie. He'll always be a legend in the eyes of us Liverpool supporters. That's not born out of misguided, delusional loyalty to the lad, but more out of what we've witnessed over the past 13 years or so. I was at Old Trafford in January 2002 when we won 1-0 thanks to a late Danny Murphy goal. Gerrard had a fantastic game that night up against Keane & Scholes. Whilst he had to curb his natural attacking instincts, he was everywhere, breaking up play & disrupting United's game. He also had the legs to set up Murphy's winner in the 85th minute.
It's not really as simple as pitting Gerrard in his prime up against the likes of Keane, Scholes, & Vieira, because those 3 players had the distinct advantage of playing in better teams, with better managers. You can only imagine what he might have done had he been a part of one those sides, given the freedom to attack at will in most games.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to reading the book. I'll borrow it off my United supporting mate when he's finished. Fergie's had enough off me emotionally over the past 20 years or so. I'll be dammed if I'm giving him my money aswell.
All you Liverpool fans are pretty good at being clueless on this fourm. From the vile Suarez racist language incident to the over estimation of Liverpools chances every season.
They love playing the victims don't they?
Like I said. Moany bell end on a forum. Greatest manager of the last 25 years. Who do you think knows more about football?...
Lost? fecking wise up. He was a couple of points and a goal away from winning the title every season of his last 3.
And who is tearing up his legacy? Bitter arseholes like you, posting on an opposition forum?
Liverpool fans are hilarious. I doubt even one of them has actually read the book yet find it fit to attack SAF's opinions.
I still don't understand why it matters so much to them if SAF rates a couple of their players or not. Seriously the guy is allowed to have an opinion.
I still don't understand why it matters so much to them if SAF rates a couple of their players or not. Seriously the guy is allowed to have an opinion.
Lost his legacy, what a whiffy twat. If anything, last year's revenge on City only improved his status.
Dont mind njred, he's been waiting around for 13 years to make a comment like that.
I'm not surprised by the retarded comments regarding fergie's legacy, i haven't finished it yet but the book is great, he's entitled to his opinion, and no, the whole footballing world isn't attacking him, maybe in the delusional alternative universe the scousers live in, but not in reality.
Thank god he still had enough marbles left rolling around to find his way to the podium to collect the title last year eh.
When you have the likes of Zidane baffled by his comments then it's fair to say that this book has tarnished safs legacy .
Wow people saying a book has tarnished SAF's legacy. I know in 50 years I'll be saying, sure he won those trophies but he had that autobiography where he said some guy was something and that was bad or something.
Seriously, get a grip.
Seriously, get a grip.
Lost whilst winning league titles in his sleep? You'd have loved to have had a manager half as lost as that.
The only thing this book proves is how Liverpool fans still obsessively hang off every word Fergie says. He ruined you, he turned you all into bile spewing bitter shells of supporters. And you still can't let it go.
His book is by all accounts largely complimentary about Liverpool yet in your desperation to be offended you all seek out the one or two sentences which barely even register as a criticism of a player at your club. The problem with these top top player, world class player debates is we never really get the context. If Ferguson's criteria for being a top top player is that you have to have made a serious impact in multiple big trophy winning sides, then Gerrard doesn't make it. He tried to sign Gerrard so he obviously rated him but there's always been the feeling Gerrard could and would have been even better elsewhere. Ferguson probably would've squeezed every ounce of talent out of Gerrard in a way Liverpool never would've done. Maybe he regrets that.
Gerrard himself has admitted his career will be a failure if he finishes without a league title and time is very much against him. When he can be such a harsh critic of himself I don't see why you all get so bitter and angry when Ferguson suggests he maybe doesn't belong in the very top echelons of player. Self-confessed failures rarely feature.
With his bell end I believe it was.
Also when are Liverpool going to play another tough game? Is it soon? They seem to have played a lot of dross lately.
"Man uses fingers to type strange collection of words, world watches on in amazement."
Where did you see this? I would hardly label Gerrards career a failure, he is probably the most successful Premier League player outside of Man United and Chelsea.
Pretty sure he said that himself.
We play Arsenal next week.
It's funny you saying we have played a lot of dross lately because out of the nine teams we have played, one was United and 5 were teams United have also played; West Brom, Stoke, Swansea, Sunderland and Southampton.
I'm not saying he did or didn't, I have just never seen it before- would be interested to see it.
In fairness I don't think anyone has claimed United have played top quality sides. Although out of them 5 teams you mention we beat 3, drew with 1 and lost to 1. Liverpool beat 3, drew 1 and lost to 1, so yeah it's not really a good comparison...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...seen-failure-Liverpool-end-title-drought.html There's the link to the Gerrard stuff someone mentioned as well, from 2008. I imagine he's changed his tune a bit now he's realised he probably will retire without a titile.
I just was replying to njred who insinuated that we are were we are because have played dross teams lately- I was just showing him that United and Liverpool have basically played the same pool of teams
We played you off the park and you won by a pretty jammy goal.
It's really not that funny.. You've played a lot of dross since that game. So have we, we've uncharacteristically dropped silly points that I am sure you've justifiably laughed at and we've copped on the chin.
Fair enough. I can see the argument from both sides though. Liverpool to their credit can only beat what's put in front of them and in fairness for the large part they have (and look much better than us doing it) but at the same time you have been a team who have not exactly been brilliant recently so I imagine people will be a bit apprehensive to fill your team with praise when you haven't really outclassed any top class opposition. Whilst you beat us to your credit it was hardly convincing, if anything you were probably quite lucky to win it.
In fairness to Liverpool fans I don't think many are getting carried away, it's easy to go on websites such as RAWK and find the odd post but you could easily do that on here if you looked hard enough.
The next test is next week vs Arsenal, and it's probably a test for both teams. Whoever wins it probably does fancy themselves to push on a bit.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...seen-failure-Liverpool-end-title-drought.html
5 years on and with several mid-table seasons and only a Carling Cup added to his collection, I doubt his view has shifted much. Gerrard knows the score.
You didn't play us off the park, and what makes the goal jammy? You never cease to amaze me with your ability to chat shit ghailboy. We scored a good early goal and admittedly sat back, but to say you played us off the park is laughable.
Also the 'dross' we have played include Sunderland and WBA who we beat convincingy and you struggled with as well as Southampton- who beat us 1-0 and you also struggled with. If you are trying to have a honest debate about football ghailboy can you at least show a little bit of impartiality.
Oh right, teams regularly come to Anfield and enjoy nearly 60% possession in the match. it's a sure thing to hold on and play counter attacking football at home. 'All part of the game plan'.
Who says I am trying to have an honest debate about football? If I wanted to do that I'd not be doing it with a Liverpool fan on a United board. Of all places in a thread about the great and powerful charlatan 'Brenton' Rodgers.
No doubt for me that Scholes is a higher breed of player than Gerrard in relation to the central midfield position but I do think Gerrard purely for his 2005 CL exploits elevated himself into that world-class bracket. Furthermore having watched him live, I was so impressed at how good a player he was (during 08/09) in that roaming role where he wasn't responsible for dictating the tempo in deeper areas. Keane on the other hand is very underrated technically and also in terms of movement off the ball, he was brilliant at retaining possession and constantly moving to support the man on the ball, something we greatly lack in midfield today. As a three man midfield, with them all at their peak.. it'd make a fantastic trio.
Keane Scholes
Gerrard
I'd say probably for pure class Scholes comes out on top, impact on big games and effectiveness goes to Keane and Gerrard for his completeness (he could tackle, head, take set pieces, long distance goals, through balls, switch the play etc) and it has to be admitted that he never played for a top side or a top manager, nor did he get to play for a three man midfield often enough which probably would've brought the best out of him. The other two trumped him in centre midfield I think that is pretty much clear but in a free role, it is a toss up between a young Scholes and Gerrard at his peak. Sad to see people rush to call him mediocre because he is definitely not that and is/was a world class talent in my opinion... these three players are easily the best central/attacking midfielders the British & Irish Isles has produced in the past 20 years.
Yeah, definitely I think Couthino (who we have really missed) is due to come back this weekend to add a bit of much needed flair. A win would be a dream result but a draw would still be decent. I think if we just keep doing what we are doing we stand a great chance of getting a CL spot, it'll be interesting to see how Arsenal cope over the next month with the tough games they have- it's really test the resolve of both teams as we also have a couple of tough games- Arsenal and Everton in November then Spurs, City and Chelsea within 2 weeks over Christmas. The European fixtures will further stretch Arsenal's squad. I think Christmas will show a representation of how the table will end.
However as good as our start has been I am under no illusion as to how tough it will be to maintain a CL spot.
You're making an arse out of yourself. The league champions came to Anfield and we got an early goal and tried to preserve the win- nothing strange about that at all. 60% possession means nothing unless you score. You all laugh at Liverpool when wood work stats or possession stats are mentioned but you are doing exactly the same thing. Can't be bothered engaging with you any more because you are so narrow minded you have the inability to have a rational conversation.
Hence the whole 'played you off the park' thing. A situation that rarely happens at Anfield even when it isn't United. Thanks for all but illustrating my point.
I just said I'm not here to have a rational conversation with you. I don't really know how much more clear I can make that. If you'd like to weigh in on the many United related arguments around the board then feel free, happy to hear your thoughts on things I actually want to discuss.
Probably the most sensible post on here from a United fan. Nice to see someone has footballing knowledge outside of all things relating to Manchester United, & can see players have different strengths to each other rather than a simple black & white, boring, X player is a better player than Y because......
There's no doubt that Gerrard's strengths centred around the final 3rd of the field. Sadly though, a lot of the time, because of the lack of quality around him, he had to play a more withdrawn role, both for club, & sometimes for country, when he was often pushed out left to accommodate Frank Lampard.
I totally agree with you on Roy Keane. He was technically very, very good. He read the game superbly & was more than capable of picking out a dream of a pass. He was a lot more than just a tenacious leader. Along with Paul Scholes & his brilliant vision, plus his ability in helping knit the play together. Gerrard's driving force & power would have complemented a midfield trio that would have taken some stopping.
No, Liverpool sat back and let United have the possession- their game plan wasn't to hold possession, it was to let United have the ball and stop them scoring. It was almost empty possession, the stats mean absolutely nothing because Liverpool weren't trying to play the ball for the 2nd part of the match. Or are you so thick you can't see that?
Also, for the 2nd part of your post- I mainly talk about Liverpool things on here- very seldom about United.
that quote sums you up.
You honestly can't be that deluded. "We held on for dear life and that was the plan all along.." It's almost too stupid for words.
Don't care.
It's the 'Brenton Rodgers' thread. A Liverpool topic on a United forum... A recipe for a level headed rational discussion just add a dash of precious paranoid scouser to a warm broth of arrogant manc.
http://epl.squawka.com/liverpool-vs...-2013/english-barclays-premier-league/matches
Also, look at United's heat map and possession area- very little of it was in the final third. Not exactly 'playing us off the park' is it when almost 54% of your possession was in you own half and just around 19% in the final third.
Fixed it for you.
Rodgers is doing fine job with Liverpool and also got lucky with the all changes other teams went through.
But still don't see them finishing in the top 4, 5th or 6th place yes, but nothing more than that.
As for Gerrard disscusion, he was beast of a player in his prime time, his records speak for themselves, and he was unfortunate to play with the lesser quality players around him for the most of the career.
Had he gone to Chelsea or anywhere else he would be more prasied and respected by United supporters, but playing for Liverpool whole career made him a less players in supporers eyes than he really was (like Giggs other way around).
But still don't see them finishing in the top 4, 5th or 6th place yes, but nothing more than that.
As for Gerrard disscusion, he was beast of a player in his prime time, his records speak for themselves, and he was unfortunate to play with the lesser quality players around him for the most of the career.
Had he gone to Chelsea or anywhere else he would be more prasied and respected by United supporters, but playing for Liverpool whole career made him a less players in supporers eyes than he really was (like Giggs other way around).
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