Barca. My bad
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Barca. My bad
We sacked Moyes before the end of the season and we were all about stability and not sacking manager to quick. Liverpool are used to sack managers mid season and i clearly see them doing that if Rodgers don't turn things around. For me this was the most important week for Liverpool this season. If they would win both they would still be in CL and only 4 points behind top 4. Not bad at all. But he failed miserably.
I think the only reason he was not sacked yet is that they don't have any good alternative.
Are we?
At the rate they're going, signing a new manager is a bigger gamble.
I'm sure by the 3/4 of the season their owners would have made up their mind and making contacts with potential candidates. There's not much to gain chopping him now
It would be a "blip" if Liverpool and Rodgers were regularly challenging for the league.
They are not, last season was a flash in the pan, this season is a return to form, it's like Everton and Spurs when they finished in the top four, except Liverpool managed to get to 2nd.
Waiting till the end of the season may well be too late.
We should of binned Moyes at this point last year, Rodgers doesn't have a record of turning teams around when they are on the slide, leaving sacking him till the end of the season could be a big mistake, just like the one we made with Moyes.
Lose to Bournemouth and Arsenal and I'll be inclined to agree with you. If he wins both of those, the pressure will ease.
He's earned credit for last season which is why I reckon that he should be given at least 2-3 more months to make it right. They've been absolutely dreadful this season and Champions League next year is out of question IMO, his moves in the Summer were questionable but he's managed to turn it around once after poor first season. Question is can he do it without Suarez pulling the strings, and the answer for now is a definite no. Some of his decisions so far have been very baffling, he needs to sort this out because at the minute no one looks confident.
Benitez will probably be the first name on the sheet for their owners, fans love him, he's been there already and he should be available and willing to go to Liverpool too. In the short term he's probably the best option for them too although I imagine he'll want to make some significant changes in the team.
Benitez will probably be the first name on the sheet for their owners, fans love him, he's been there already and he should be available and willing to go to Liverpool too. In the short term he's probably the best option for them too although I imagine he'll want to make some significant changes in the team.
Jones is a terrible keeper. At least wait until January and get a good goalkeeper in if you're willing to drop Mignolet, replacing him with a keeper like Jones is poor job.
Yes.
King Kenny got the sack after just one full season despite very nearly winning a cup double. His conduct during the Suarez/Evra saga probably didn't help him.
We've done it once since the turn of the century. That's hardly being used to it.
It wasn't in the middle of the season though.
However, and this applies to anyone not just FSW, how much of an FFP hole are they in? There's no way they'll make back the money they've spent on this dross when they try and ship it back out.
That's true.
I think they're pretty fine, they received just short of £75m for Suarez in the Summer which covered for most their signings. Balotelli will probably fetch around £10m when he goes because he's still Balotelli and people think he could go on to be a top player despite being crap for a good while, Lallana will most likely stay and they could sell Skrtel and Lovren for around £8m each if they tried hard enough. They don't have too many players they could realistically sell for a good price so their budget for next season will probably be circa £20m plus whatever they could earn.
I'm not sure that his players are 'all this dross' - a fair few are young and have some ability. But the spine of his team is Mignolet/Jones - Lovren - Gerrard - Studge (permacrocked). Never going to work. For top 4, this is close to hopeless.
I've mentioned before in this thread that Suarez and Sturridge's individual success last season boosted his ego to the point where he thinks he's a good coach and some sort of football manager genius that can go out and buy 6/7 mediocre players and make something out of them. His ego bubble has been absolutely shat on this season and to see his tactical 'efforts' in yesterdays game was the most embarrassing thing I've seen a premier league manager do. So much was wrong. He switched to the Van gaal formation having not played it once this season, and thought he can emulate Van gaal's tactical expertise and coaching by playing fecking Henderson and Markovic at right and left wingback. He left gerrard on the pitch thinking he's going to dominate that midfield.. I mean has he not seen this formation in action before? The 2 holding midfielders have to be mobile. He then has the arrogance and delusion that he's going to come to old trafford and control the ball enough to get his forward 3 midgets actually playing 'technical football'. He also thought it was cutting edge intelligence to drop his #1 keeper for a keeper that has barely played a couple games in the past 3 seasons... This man has completely lost it, and I think someone once posted a video of him 'trying' to give a motivational speech before a game for liverpool and it was the most cringeworthy thing. Absolutely lost it, he should leave before he embarasses himself anymore. Having said that, anyone for Brentan statue?
To be fair, he has plenty of potential in the squad.
Feck no. That Moyes one was rotten. Feck Paddy Power and their shitc**t ladbantz.
Also, we're doing quite well without needing to try and jinx ourselves.
All of his players certainly aren't dross. Manquillo, Sakho, Moreno, Henderson, Can, Lallana, Coutinho, Suso, Sterling, Markovic, Sturridge and Flanagan all definitely should have long term futures here. Then you have Gerrard and Toure who are good experienced options and players like Lucas and Allen who should be upgraded upon, but are good squaddies. Also have some good prospects on loan like Ilori, Ibe, Wisdom and Origi.
Jones, Johnson, Enrique, Lovren, Lambert, Mignolet, Borini, Skrtel and Balotelli don't have futures here most likely.
The squad is missing another star attacking player of the calibre of Sturridge and Sterling, a great goalkeeper and a great centre back.
Yea their budget now is going to be pretty limited for a while, which is the biggest concern for Liverpool fans. They have a manager and "transfer committee" who are absolutely woeful at finding the right player's to sign, whilst at the same time not having the budget to buy proven quality. I can't really see how they'll be anywhere near the Champions League for a while, unless Arsenal sack Wenger and go through a period of Moyes-esque managers.
I said it months ago but this Summer was Rodgers' chance to get in 3-4 proven player's and actually create a backbone for the team. The likes of Cech, Khedira & Cavani should have been targets that they broke the bank for, whilst player's like Agger should have been kept to save splurging £20m on a similar quality player. The likes of Lallana, Markovic, Balotelli & Lovren were always going to be expensive gambles that a team without Suarez could not afford to take. Those 4 player's were more than £80m...
Going forward they either need a director of Football who is known for being able to spot young talent, as clearly Rodgers is inept in this department, or a new manager who can. You can have all the managerial skill in the world; if you are inept in the transfer market you will keep making things harder for yourself. The fact that Rodgers has a worse squad now than when he took over is testament to that.
Agger transfer was baffling to me. I don't think at 29 he should have gone back to Denmark to pretty much retire. Brondby aren't even a Champions League side, they're currently 4th in the league and won't be in CL next year which makes it even more weird. He's not the defender he used to be but he should still be better than Toure, Lovren and possibly Skrtel.
Agreed on the bit about getting top players in, this was their chance. Coming off a strong league campaign with clear goal of winning the league next year and £100m in the budget they should have gone for proven quality. Now obviously I wouldn't have expected to pull it off most of the time but there were plenty of good players available for decent fees - like you said Cech and Khedira for starters should have been good to go at circa £10m each. Then you have some center halves across Europe better than Lovren who wouldn't have cost £20m, and a host of strikers in a better shape than Balotelli (although at the time I'd thought this particular gamble might have paid off). City would have probably let Dzeko go if they got a good offer, Mandzukic was available for £20m and he'd score plenty in England.
They went for a bigger squad which was pointless since they basically neglected CL in order to pursue a... CL spot in the league. You don't need a big squad if you're not going to try to do well in Europe. They went for quantity over quality and they'll be left with a big but poor squad.
It's great to see Liverpool such an abject shambles! 
Reflecting on where we are is difficult as injuries have SO decimated the team that there's almost a sense of "we'll judge things definitively when we're back to something approaching full strength".
With Liverpool it looks painfully simple: Buy badly then sell the player that carried you to 2nd place & carry on buying (mostly) badly. Putting their faith in BR now seems obviously a mistake. Undoubtedly he's made some tactical errors with selection & seems to have an arrogance and ego way disproportionate his achievements! His quotes show are now coming back to bite him, which is hilarious as they're the kind of thing you can get away with once you've stuck a few bits in the trophy cabinet.
Will he "come good" - no. And that's precisely why he must stay at Liverpool.
(lots of LFC fans now wishing they hadn't given us so much stick for Moyes last season ... !)
Reflecting on where we are is difficult as injuries have SO decimated the team that there's almost a sense of "we'll judge things definitively when we're back to something approaching full strength".
With Liverpool it looks painfully simple: Buy badly then sell the player that carried you to 2nd place & carry on buying (mostly) badly. Putting their faith in BR now seems obviously a mistake. Undoubtedly he's made some tactical errors with selection & seems to have an arrogance and ego way disproportionate his achievements! His quotes show are now coming back to bite him, which is hilarious as they're the kind of thing you can get away with once you've stuck a few bits in the trophy cabinet.
Will he "come good" - no. And that's precisely why he must stay at Liverpool.
(lots of LFC fans now wishing they hadn't given us so much stick for Moyes last season ... !)
Then why didnt Rodgers do that over the summer? he spent over 100m on "squaddie" players just to build up depth in the squad, which is understandable because of champions league football & domestic competitions. But he sold he's star player, from that point you'd need to replace him because lets be honest, he carried Liverpool to get 2nd spot last season. Yes you have Sturridge and he is good player but he isnt world class and now injury prone. You need your world class players to get you in that top four and compete in the champions league. Cavani was available, Falcao was available,... he failed to pursue these players, maybe because they were to expensive but you got spend money to make money and now settled for Balo which imo doesnt suit liverpool playing style and is a complete flop, might perform later in the season maybe but atm he is dreadful. Not only that, he hasnt fixed what was Liverpools biggest weakness last season and that was the defense, United wasnt playing their best that game and still managed to score three goals. It just says that Rodgers is not dealing with defensive problems and Liverpool are struggling to deal with it and its not only the defenders fault but the whole team. Allen who let Valenica through way to easy with cheeky nut meg and left them for dead, and then Countinho didnt track back Rooney which resulted the 1-0 lead to united. Rodger can blame the keeper and drop him but at the end of the day, its whole team to blame for not covering the ground, tracking back and stopping the opposition from getting near the goal in the first place. Henderson playing RWB? what a joke... Its hilarious as a united fan but as a neutral point of view, its not good enough considering where Liverpool was last season and its bit amateur from Brendan Rodgers (Moyes in disguise?
) .To be honest, if you have to choose between squad-depth and enough quality you'd have to choose quality.
Given the chance, you must first aim for the quality to get into the champions league again, and rather play sideshow-players in the CL if you don't have enough players for it, and get into the CL a second time and invest money in squad-players that season.
Quality should not go down for quantity, that's how you regress and get overtaken.
Given the chance, you must first aim for the quality to get into the champions league again, and rather play sideshow-players in the CL if you don't have enough players for it, and get into the CL a second time and invest money in squad-players that season.
Quality should not go down for quantity, that's how you regress and get overtaken.
The thing is I don't even buy the "squad" excuse.
You trade Lovren, Balotelli, Markovic, Lallana for Cech, Cavani, Khedira and keeping Agger and you have a stronger, equally large squad for less transfer fee, which admittedly would be offset by around £10m more in wages per annum. They could still have bought the "value" signings such as Origi, Can, Moreno and Manquillo to bolster the numbers.
Obviously getting rid of Mignolet this season would have offset some of the outlay, as well as the wages of Johnson & Gerrard next season (even if the latter 2 stay, it'll be on significantly lower deals).
Then why didnt Rodgers do that over the summer? he spent over 100m on "squaddie" players just to build up depth in the squad, which is understandable because of champions league football & domestic competitions. But he sold he's star player, from that point you'd need to replace him because lets be honest, he carried Liverpool to get 2nd spot last season. Yes you have Sturridge and he is good player but he isnt world class and now injury prone. You need your world class players to get you in that top four and compete in the champions league. Cavani was available, Falcao was available,... he failed to pursue these players, maybe because they were to expensive but you got spend money to make money and now settled for Balo which imo doesnt suit liverpool playing style and is a complete flop, might perform later in the season maybe but atm he is dreadful. Not only that, he hasnt fixed what was Liverpools biggest weakness last season and that was the defense, United wasnt playing their best that game and still managed to score three goals. It just says that Rodgers is not dealing with defensive problems and Liverpool are struggling to deal with it and its not only the defenders fault but the whole team. Allen who let Valenica through way to easy with cheeky nut meg and left them for dead, and then Countinho didnt track back Rooney which resulted the 1-0 lead to united. Rodger can blame the keeper and drop him but at the end of the day, its whole team to blame for not covering the ground, tracking back and stopping the opposition from getting near the goal in the first place. Henderson playing RWB? what a joke... Its hilarious as a united fan but as a neutral point of view, its not good enough considering where Liverpool was last season and its bit amateur from Brendan Rodgers (Moyes in disguise?
Impossible to say to what extent he did pursue this and that and the other player. And several of those mentioned are on extremely high wages. I doubt Falcao was a realistic option, for instance. He did pursue Sanchez, apparently - but what can you do if the player wants to go elsewhere?
Replacing Suarez was going to be pretty much impossible for him - so I can't say I hold his failure to do so against him.
He hasn't bought well, though - that is obvious. After his Spurs rant earlier this year, he has pretty much gone and done precisely what they did.
Has he been sacked yet?
By that do you mean that adding, say, Cavani, Hummels and Cech would give you a balanced team, or a top 4 team?
Lose to Bournemouth and lose to arsenal and he will definitely be in BIG trouble.
I'm going to fecking laugh myself silly if they lose to Bournemouth, Matt Ritchie is my neighbour and I'll be buying him a beer if he scores for third match in a row.
Can't see them getting anything against Arsenal on Sunday and definitely a banana skin against a very confident Bournemouth side mid week. If they lose both games then surely Rodgers goes.
Does he actually drink, or just figure of speech?
Those three certainly would. I think even players at the level of Cech, Cahill and Walcott would sort out many of our problems.
I think he's a good coach who is still to properly prove himself as a manager. Liverpool should give him till the end of next seaosn imo.
People seem to be arguing he should have dropped Mignolet long ago, not at old trafford, that was too late.
Also he put himself in a position where Sterling was his only option, Lambert was his alternative and take Borini let's face it he could have told him to go to Sunderland or rot in the reserves and used that money to get an upgrade on Balotelli.
I mean when a club offers you that much money for a player like Borini then you make sure you ship the player out, you find a way to get rid of him.
He did tell him to go to Sunderland. If Borini wanted to stay and fight for his place and/or pick up his wages every week there was nothing Rodgers could do. He was clear that he wasn't in his plans.
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